Patch 5.2 - 10 and 25 Player Raid Loot Changes
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Coming to the PTR in the near future will be a new designation of item type in Normal and Heroic raids for non-tier pieces. Each 5.2 raid boss will have a chance of dropping this new designation of a particular item that’s 6 item levels higher than their counterparts. These higher quality versions will be called “Thunderforged”. This means that there will be five variations of some items. You’ll now see a 5.2 raid item of LFR quality at item level 502, the same item in Normal quality at item level 522, the item in Normal Thunderforged quality at item level 528, the Heroic version of the item at level 535, and the Heroic Thunderforged version of the item at level 541.

This new item designation is being added for a couple reasons, but first and foremost to make loot drops more interesting overall, especially after you have earlier bosses in Throne of Thunder on farm. As you’re working on progression, those first few bosses can now continue to provide a chance at upgrades, making repeated kills potentially more exciting and rewarding. Those additional upgrades can then help to slowly raise power, and boost you over whatever progression roadblock you may hit.

We’ve also received a lot of feedback regarding 25-player raids, and have been looking for ways to address some concerns. Ever since we changed 10-player raids to drop the same item level as 25s, we’ve seen a steady decline in 25-player raiding. This isn’t surprising. A 25-player raid takes an extra level of logistical commitment for the officers of those groups. It’s unfortunately easy for a 25-player guild to collapse down into a 10-player guild, but very unlikely for the opposite to happen. However, we like 25-player raiding and don’t want to see it go away. Like many players, we love the epic feeling that comes with banding together more massive groups to battle powerful foes, we love that there’s opportunity for those groups to try out new players or unusual comps without causing a huge burden, and we want to support the larger raiding guilds. That said, we’re also concerned that over-rewarding the 25-player guilds—if, for example, we went back to a higher item level across the board for 25s, as was the case for Icecrown Citadel—would feel like a slap in the face to the many 10-player raiders out there, who are the majority of our Normal and Heroic raiders.

To attempt to navigate this minefield, we’re going to try having Thunderforged items drop more frequently in 25-player raids. They’ll be somewhat rare in both cases compared to the standard versions that’ll drop, but they’ll be even rarer in 10s. Overall, a 25-player group will be more likely to end up with a slightly higher item level after several weeks of raiding.

It’s important to keep in mind that this only affects 10- and 25-player Normal and Heroic raids, and tier-15 armor pieces won’t be available in Thunderforged quality at all. We’re curious to hear your thoughts about these changes, and what you think once you begin seeing them on the PTR.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 5.2 - 10 and 25 Player Raid Loot Changes started by chaud View original post
Comments 369 Comments
  1. Madruga's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyve View Post
    Total & Utter Bullshit.

    I'm a 10 Man Raider, and I see no reason to be annoyed by any of this. This gives very little incentive to be in 25 Man, but that is all it needed, just a small nudge, nothing major! This is perfect.
    My thoughts exactly. I like it.
  1. Soisoisoi's Avatar
    Great, even more item level inflation. They needed to do the OPPOSITE of this. :/
  1. pandalord14's Avatar
    Oh man, as a 10manner, i groaned when i saw the title. But reading it, i'm actually liking this idea. Good stuff in order to not feel "forced" to do 25mans, yet still give a bonus to those that do 25man.
  1. Drugshock's Avatar
    Nice one :P
  1. Caanrial's Avatar
    Not good enough Blizz. Not even a "nice try"(tm). 25's need more of a distinction and frankly there will be just a few more guilds that do 25's but I guarantee you won't see a huge jump in 25-man raiding. We told you that 25's would die out when you made the loot the same, and it happened. When will you listen to us players instead of sitting in your ivory towers and chatting amongst yourselves??

  1. Mikaelo's Avatar
    They could have just stuck with their item upgrade system and instead of "thunderforged" they could have just had some items drop already upgraded.
  1. wooootles's Avatar
    Higher chance of higher ilvl on 25m
    omg blizz is forcing me to 25m

    I can see it now
  1. Gallahadd's Avatar
    Didn't they JUST say they were adding two new ranks of loot to PvP gear so that PvE gear and PvP gear would have the same number of tiers...

    Then they add a new one to Pve gear :S.
  1. Nelrock's Avatar
    I really hope this isn't the MoP addition that GC alluded to not being announced yet. Because...this is shit.
  1. nimryas's Avatar
    I'm against this change.. You should be playing 25 man because you like playing with 24 other players instead of 9, that is your own effing decision. You should not care about 10 man when you do 25 man, its about you, your fellow guildies and the game. NOT about you and other irrelevant players who, according to you, dont deserve certain kind of items.

    I fucking hate whiny bitches, die in a hellfire pl0x :')
  1. Nvar's Avatar
    25 already get more loot than 10, so up your bum with this shit. I dont like the Thunderforged idea overall, even more RNG now.
  1. Jathro's Avatar
    Enchanters and Jewelcrafters are licking their chops

    EDIT: Should've just kept item upgrades instead of this garbage
  1. wilcox1232's Avatar
    nice change honestly i don't see how it will effect me raiding. I'll still go in 3 nights a week with my group and kill bosses looking for drops but its a good thing for 25 mans.
  1. Rodpad's Avatar
    Literally can't keep up with all these changes. A change to this, a change to that. Do this to unlock that. A chance to win this, an extra chance to win that.

    Don't forget to grind your rep!
  1. Kazuchika's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nvar View Post
    25 already get more loot than 10, so up your bum with this shit. I dont like the Thunderforged idea overall, even more RNG now.
    And this is why everyone thinks 10 man raiders are crybabies. Because they can't even grasp the idea that it's the same amount of loot just more people.
  1. FourLetterWurdz's Avatar
    I'm somewhat confused. The first paragraph mentions LFR, but their not dropping in LFR. Why's it even mentioned? Seems like a good change for 25m raids only. :/
  1. Rafoel's Avatar
    Watch out!

    Thunderforged Heroic Elite gear inc! ;p

    or rather:

    just Elite
    just Heroic
    just Thunderforged
    Heroic Elite
    Thunderforged Heroic
    Thunderforged Elite
  1. wilcox1232's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rodpad View Post
    Literally can't keep up with all these changes. A change to this, a change to that. Do this to unlock that. A chance to win this, an extra chance to win that.

    Don't forget to grind your rep!
    Then don't bother just go in play the game have fun if loot drops for you get the loot. Stop worrying so much about changes and enjoy the game
  1. JIMM-'s Avatar
    give us 15 man raiding already, remove 10 and 25 totally.
  1. Arridor's Avatar
    All it will do is add another step in progression. Most guilds won't leave normal raids until they got Thunderforged in all slots, and then keep doing heroics until they get all heroic thunderforged.

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