WoW Down to 9.6 Million Subscribers

Originally Posted by Pancaspe

It is so hilarious to watch the pathetic predictions, or should I say pleading, of The Haters.

WOW has AT LEAST 20 Years left.

That is a long time to hate.

...but you said the newest expansion (MoP) was for sure going to top the 15 million user watermark. What happened there? (Check Pancaspe's posting history)

The thing with MoP, is either people loving it, or hate it. I can't see MoP gaining numbers at all, its going to keep sliding.

I can see the next announcement being much lower tbh.
To have closed your account by Dec 31st, you would have needed to unsub by the end of Nov. The way the raids where gated, it wasn't until Nov 20th that all were even opened. So most people would have held off quitting until after that.

Originally Posted by Udderpowered

That was such a beautiful bit of ownage that I think we all need to take a step back and admire it for a few seconds.


WoW is still doing extremely well, but pretending losing half a mil players is nothing is equally stupid as saying WoW is dying. 500k is the whole playerbase of some MMO's.

This.

Anyone running around screaming

WOW IS DEAD is a fool.

WoW wont be dead for a long time, at least 10 years if they keep going the way they are now.

Originally Posted by Lilly32

How can the worst game ever made be the best selling also? Just goes to show if Blizard puts their name on a pile of poo it will sell.

someone has never played superman 64.

honestly i played diablo 2 and diablo 3 back to back neither felt like bad games were they great games? i wouldnt say so but they were definitely good games and diablo 2 was far from what people told me it was going to be

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Originally Posted by Aquamonkey

WoW East doesn't pay by the month, they pay by the hour. Buy 1 hr in a quarter and they count you as a sub.

it says on what is counted as a sub that its only if theyve played within the past 30 days. not the entire quarter

hopefully it keeps going steadily now, far enough so that they at least wake up and fire that fucking idiot ghostcrawler.

Originally Posted by Immitis

it says on what is counted as a sub that its only if theyve played within the past 30 days. not the entire quarter

Do they report subscription numbers every month or every quarter?

Originally Posted by kojinshugi

It's a 5% drop. How is a 5% drop a big deal?

If Rift went from 1 million to 950k, would that be a big deal?

Comments like these make me facepalm so hard... You even go and show how stupid the argument is on your own post.
5% is relative, like all percentages and as such, useless.

Bus with 20 people in it crashes and 1 dies. Is it a big deal? Sad but not that big of a deal. It's 5%.
What if 5% of your countrys population was to die? World War II saw the death of 2,5% of world population or over 60 million in numbers. Big deal? Apparently by you it's meaningless.

What matters is the absolute amount. 500k players is a huge amount as is the money lost with them. There's no way around it. Additional players don't become worth less the more you have. That's a ridiculouss thought. 500k when going from 10m to 9,5 are pretty much just as important as going from 1m to 0,5m even tho the percentages are 5% vs 50%. Money matters.

Is it the death of WoW? Of course not. Will it change anything? Most likely. Guys with the suits don't like losses of any kind and they are pretty much bound to at least try to stop the bleeding. How does it effect us? Nobody knows.

I guess we can be certain now that WoW will never be above 11 million subscribers again. I mean, I can't think of any feature that could ramp up the subscribers and make people say "ok its time to go back to WoW". Not even the character remodels which is their strongest known card right now.
But hey, I still can enjoy the game. And MoP has been the best expansion story-wise. I' ll keep playing at least until I get bored and unsubscribe again like I did back at the start of Cataclysm.

even if you are generous and give swtor 500k subs, wow still has 18x that amount. So yea..chillax

Originally Posted by Buru Diman

I guess we can be certain now that WoW will never be above 11 million subscribers again. I mean, I can't think of any feature that could ramp up the subscribers and make people say "ok its time to go back to WoW". Not even the character remodels which is their strongest known card right now.
But hey, I still can enjoy the game. And MoP has been the best expansion story-wise. I' ll keep playing at least until I get bored and unsubscribe again like I did back at the start of Cataclysm.

This is true.

You can read my post history, always said with making 10s = 25s raiding subs would drop because 25 man raiding guilds were the foundations of realm communities where 10man guilds add nothing and more tight knit groups. Yes 10 man raiding was good for certain players that wanted it but was bad for the game.

me and my friends quit because of the Daily quest Crap.

I don't think wow will die, but all expansion always start with something everyone hated, and then blizzard learns their lesson by the time the final patch comes out, then they fuck it up again when a new expansion comes out. So looking at history, I'll be back for the Garrosh Raid.

Originally Posted by Nimitzles

This is true.

You can read my post history, always said with making 10s = 25s raiding subs would drop because 25 man raiding guilds were the foundations of realm communities where 10man guilds add nothing and more tight knit groups. Yes 10 man raiding was good for certain players that wanted it but was bad for the game.

that would make sense but only 2 million people raid WITH lfr included.

its like saying wow would die if it removed pvp.

Originally Posted by Kioshi

me and my friends quit because of the Daily quest Crap.

I don't think wow will die, but all expansion always start with something everyone hated, and then blizzard learns their lesson by the time the final patch comes out, then they fuck it up again when a new expansion comes out. So looking at history, I'll be back for the Garrosh Raid.

My entire guild has unsubbed. I doubt it gets fixed until next expack. The reason people felt like they had nothing to do in Cata was because they kept us in Dragon Soul for a year... Get a clue Blizz. These optional daily quests can DIAF.

Originally Posted by Cirque

Sure, it sucks, but in the big image of things in WOW, it's but a comma in the total amount of players and I don't think Blizzard is terribly fussed. Besides, declining subs at the end of a patch have pretty much been a trend since forever.

Declining players at the end of a patch cycle shouldn't be unexpected, but something has shifted - from launch until the end of Wrath, any dips in numbers that occurred were offset by enough gains that each new expansion led to new total subscriber records...which hasn't happened since Cata began.

Still, I agree that I doubt Blizzard is terribly upset by the drop this quarter. If the drops continue and the expansion again ends with noticeably less players subscribed than when it started (like Cata dropping from 12 million to 9.1 in less than 2 years), Blizzard might want to consider being concerned.

As for me, I find the end of expansion subscriber numbers and the numbers following the subsequent expansion release to be far more interesting, barring any "holy shit, they lost how many?" type drops if they were to happen.

This thread has so many gems of amusing hyperbole (on both sides).

/giggle

Originally Posted by lakers01

What do you think they increase will be when 5.2 drops and by many accounts one of the better raids is released?

what the F? these are by 31st december. at that point, maybe 20 guilds have cleared HC sha? the sub loss had most likely VERY little to do with raids and more just with general burnout of of the daily grind

The problem is the game has became to simple... I personally like something more challenging and get board playing easily. BC was still the best expansion by far. Today they just like to release the newest stuff as fast as possible rather than making it harder to get to the end game content. It shouldnt be for everyone, if your not skilled enough to get there you obviously dont belong. Long gone are the days were playing your class are over... Now blizz is all about money so they made it open to everyone... but rest assure now that the subscriber base is down, expect to see a new pet or mount come out.

Originally Posted by Viking

My entire guild has unsubbed. I doubt it gets fixed until next expack. The reason people felt like they had nothing to do in Cata was because they kept us in Dragon Soul for a year... Get a clue Blizz. These optional daily quests can DIAF.

heres the opposite of that argument. i enjoy the way dailies tell storylines much better than the way raids or dungeons do. i hope raids and dungeons can go DIAF

i wonder how much you would enjoy that

No matter what Blizzard has for paying people , people will always say they should have more. No other game comes close to what WoW brings in for activision. People have said that Wow will die for years, and they are always wrong. This will never change, because they like to incite people.

Originally Posted by Immitis

heres the opposite of that argument. i enjoy the way dailies tell storylines much better than the way raids or dungeons do. i hope raids and dungeons can go DIAF

i wonder how much you would enjoy that

Dailies don't tell storylines well at all.