WoW Down to 9.6 Million Subscribers

Originally Posted by Celista

And that took 2 hours a day solo. I know because I did it...our guild is server second on a server ranked in the top 50, we're not all that "hardcore". Plus LFR + raid time + all the other crap you need to do to have your toon be raid ready...we were also required to do 2's to cap for conquest upgrades for pve at the beginning of the xpac.

We grouped for dailies occasionally but people were on at odd hours of the day outside of raid time, etc.

Luckily we did LFR as a guild and most of the grind was over two months in or I would have perma-unsubbed, it was pretty much too much for me to handle long term with grad school and normal irl priorities.

Anyone who is willing to unsub for these reasons but is not willing to change to a less demanding guild is irrational, since you obviously lose out on whatever you feel you're gaining from that guild when you unsub anyway. It's a matter of setting your own goals and limits. It's dumb to blame your* guild since you can leave, but it's far dumber for blaming Blizzard for your own unwillingness to tone your own gameplay down.

*"your" and "you" mean a general you, as in "you can lead a horse to water...", not you specifically

Originally Posted by Magpai

How many players does Elder Scrolls have?

they're about to have 9.6 with the way things are going.

Also I just though of another reason people are quitting, which ties in to blizzard being greedy and that showing through their products. For instance people on low pop servers who can't play and the only way blizz will allow them the experience is by paying for character transfers when most have all their characters on one server, give me a break. This company sickens me.

Originally Posted by bigjohnburger

Really? Where are the stats on that? Although this expansion I could believe it because the pvp is the worst I've ever seen it while I was playing - enhancement and ele shaman neglected for a 3rd expanion. If they lost 400k + subs this early I can't imagine how bad it's going to get. They shoulod hire some elder scrolls devs.

does anyone have the exact article from a while back? or was it a tweet? i cant remember. but something like 3 million people who pet battle regularly or something. that would actually be more than all of the raiders to.

so if im remembering correctly that means there are more people that pet battle than raiders *including lfr* and pvpers.

but less than a million people pvp anyways so having more people means nothing in that regard

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Originally Posted by MrSerious

one thing WoW has which is amazing is its lore, why they don't try harder to bring this into questing, dungeons, raids is beyond me. To bring in panda's was a step in the wrong direction. They should of done more with the legion.

chen stormstout is the greatest character in the history of warcraft

Originally Posted by MrSerious

one thing WoW has which is amazing is its lore, why they don't try harder to bring this into questing, dungeons, raids is beyond me. To bring in panda's was a step in the wrong direction. They should of done more with the legion.

I agree 100% and would add that all these "options" they have given us are really just either do A. Daylies or B. Pvp ... has no one noticed that you are forced to level in 1 zone for pretty much each level from 85 to 90 .. half of jade forest will get you to 86-87 (depending on dungeons) then you really need to go to Karasang for efficient leveling then at 88 theres no other efficient choice besides townlong steppes and then horray 89 lets go to dread wastes. At least in Woltk we had at least 2 zones at 79 and as many as 3-4 zones for each level in between where we could level in a timely manner. hell even in cataclysm we had 2-4 options as to where to level. Theyve made leveling alts an extremely painful process in MOP

Originally Posted by ZazuuPriest

I agree 100% and would add that all these "options" they have given us are really just either do A. Daylies or B. Pvp ... has no one noticed that you are forced to level in 1 zone for pretty much each level from 85 to 90 .. half of jade forest will get you to 86-87 (depending on dungeons) then you really need to go to Karasang for efficient leveling then at 88 theres no other efficient choice besides townlong steppes and then horray 89 lets go to dread wastes. At least in Woltk we had at least 2 zones at 79 and as many as 3-4 zones for each level in between where we could level in a timely manner. hell even in cataclysm we had 2-4 options as to where to level. Theyve made leveling alts an extremely painful process in MOP

that is bullshit. i was at 89 by the end of karasang and i had only done TWO dungeons. i was 90 before i was even halfway through kun lai

Originally Posted by bigjohnburger

Also I just though of another reason people are quitting, which ties in to blizzard being greedy and that showing through their products. For instance people on low pop servers who can't play and the only way blizz will allow them the experience is by paying for character transfers when most have all their characters on one server, give me a break. This company sickens me.

Where do you get the idea that it's Blizzard's responsibility to provide you with playmates?

Nooo! At this rate, WoW's only got a few decades before it runs out of active subscribers! The end is foreseeable!

It's quite obvious exactly what happens with this game. Every expansion launch the numbers jump up to 10 million, then a few months later they drop somewhere between 9 and 10 million and hover around there for the rest of the expansion. New expansion -> rinse and repeat.

So it's nothing out of the ordinary. People saying WoW is dying because of this are talking out of their asses; a game with only 500k subscribers is good enough to stay alive and well, so 9.6 million is ridiculously amazing, especially for the way the MMO market has been moving over the past couple of years.

WoW is stronger than strong, it's not going down until it wants to.

Originally Posted by Magpai

Anyone who is willing to unsub for these reasons but is not willing to change to a less demanding guild is irrational, since you obviously lose out on whatever you feel you're gaining from that guild when you unsub anyway. It's a matter of setting your own goals and limits. It's dumb to blame your* guild since you can leave, but it's far dumber for blaming Blizzard for your own unwillingness to tone your own gameplay down.

*"your" and "you" mean a general you, as in "you can lead a horse to water...", not you specifically

Some people can't play this game and not raid because raiding is why they play....I am one of those people. And raiding requires a certain amount of prep work.

I've raided with alts with more casual guilds and it is not satisfying, generally nice people but wiping on mechanics that you mastered in the first week is not enjoyable.

My guild isn't even that demanding, the stuff we expect from our raiders is pretty standard minus the required gold runs, etc that some top guilds require raiders to show up for.

Originally Posted by bigjohnburger

they're about to have 9.6 with the way things are going.

I would love to see a shred of evidence that you didn't pull this number straight from your ass.

Originally Posted by Magpai

Where do you get the idea that it's Blizzard's responsibility to provide you with playmates?

It's an mmo. So that being the case maybe from the Massively multiplayer...

Originally Posted by jbombard

With one hour + queues for LFR and more often than not getting an in progress meaning I need to que again, ends up meaning if I can finish 2 LFRs a day I am doing great and that is if I am not doing anything else. If add in doing a daily dungeon, that is 1 LFR a day and 1 dungeon and dailies while queing. All 4 LFRs is 4 days. If you play every single day, then you have what is left over after doing your dungeon for 3 days. Not everyone can play 6 hours a day seven days a week.

Sounds a lot like you need to learn to manage your time/evaluate whether a particular upgrade or whatever you're getting out of all these activities is worth the time.

Originally Posted by Zerdus

It's quite obvious exactly what happens with this game. Every expansion launch the numbers jump up to 10 million, then a few months later they drop somewhere between 9 and 10 million and hover around there for the rest of the expansion. New expansion -> rinse and repeat.

So it's nothing out of the ordinary. People saying WoW is dying because of this are talking out of their asses; a game with only 500k subscribers is good enough to stay alive and well, so 9.6 million is ridiculously amazing, especially for the way the MMO market has been moving over the past couple of years.

WoW is stronger than strong, it's not going down until it wants to.

Dude get a grip you're in denial, that's nothing like what happens. WoW has 14 million at Wrath, then by the end of Cata under 10 million. By the end of this I don't even want to know. The only thing that has changed is the devs.

Originally Posted by Magpai

I would love to see a shred of evidence that you didn't pull this number straight from your ass.

Check the thread title and then look back at what he wrote again. >.<

Ive never seen a 1 hour LFR even as a dps which i dont usually do, so i call bullshit

Omg WoW is dying! No but seriously who the hell cares? I'd still play even if they only had 500k players.

Originally Posted by ZazuuPriest

Ive never seen a 1 hour LFR even as a dps which i dont usually do, so i call bullshit

i have but usually only when im playing at odd hours or if i forget to do one and its late in the week. however i almost always am doing something else while im qued so the majority of the time i dont really care how long its taking

Originally Posted by Celista

Some people can't play this game and not raid because raiding is why they play....I am one of those people. And raiding requires a certain amount of prep work.

I've raided with alts with more casual guilds and it is not satisfying, generally nice people but wiping on mechanics that you mastered in the first week is not enjoyable.

My guild isn't even that demanding, the stuff we expect from our raiders is pretty standard minus the required gold runs, etc that some top guilds require raiders to show up for.

I'm in the second best Alliance/5th best overall guild on my server and my guild doesn't expect shit from us except some basic encounter knowledge, flasks and potions. There are plenty of less demanding guilds out there that still succeed. If you will settle for no less than the very cutting edge of progression, but aren't willing to take advantage of every avenue offered toward that goal, then that's a fundamental disconnect that is your own fault, not Blizzard's.

You (and about a billion other players) are complaining because Blizzard gives you a lot of options for improving your character and you feel "compelled" to do them all because of your own choices and goals.

Originally Posted by Magpai

I would love to see a shred of evidence that you didn't pull this number straight from your ass.

obviously it's not going to be 9.6, that's wow current and dropping numbers. Elder Scrolls franchise is known for making amazing games and I'm sure whatever they bring out will take a chunk out of wow subs.

Originally Posted by Celista

Check the thread title and then look back at what he wrote again. >.<

The person I quoted was answering my question about how many subs ELDER SCROLLS had, not WoW. But by all means continue giving me reading advice, lol.