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Patch 5.3 - The Old Seer Quest
Patch 5.3 adds a new quest that reveals the final Sha, as well as rewarding some Item Level 502 boots!

Level Type Spec Slot Name
502ClothSpell SpiritFeet Modest Sandals
502ClothSpell DPSFeet Unassuming Slippers
502LeatherSpell SpiritFeet Treads of Respect
502LeatherPhysical DPSFeet Self-Effacing Boots
502MailPhysical DPSFeet Treads of Reticence
502MailSpell DPSFeet Unpretentious Boots
502PlateTankFeet Sabatons of the Humble
502PlateMeleeFeet Subservient Greatboots
502PlateSpell SpiritFeet Boots of Boundless Patience

Ghostcrawler on Tri Spec
More replies today to the Tri Spec tweet from yesterday!
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
All the classes already feel the same thanks to you.
We try to strike a balance between the demands for "I need X tool that the other guy has" and classes still feeling cool. (Source)

Specs should be saveable, e.g. equip sets. Keep talents, glyphs, action bars. Limit could then be set to 3, 4, 5 w/e
Yeah, we think an approach like that would take the hassle out of it. (Source)

Could you explain the logic behind tri-spec diminishing class uniqueness? more choices = more variety.
You no longer think of your friend as a Feral or a Balance druid. She is just a druid who can fill any role just like any druid. (Source)

If you were really serious about this statement, a character would be permanently limited to 2 of the 3 specs.
The intent of letting you remake choices was never supposed to be "I can swap to anything at a moment's notice." (Source)
It was supposed to be "I made a decision that now I really regret and wish I could make over." (Source)
I do worry sometimes that dual spec solved a problem (talent points were a pain to rebuy) that no longer exists. (Source)

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
World Boss Kill Status
We are aware of the request and looking to add a way for characters to track which world boss had already been defeated in a given week. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Hey! Sorry if this has been asked before, but there was talk about letting us hide weapon enchant glows iirc. Idea scrapped?
Not scrapped. Just not sure yet on the right design. It gets into the issue of weapon transmog pretty quickly. (Source)

I don't understand why rings are unique-equipped, is it too game breaking to have two of the same kind? Any plans to change?
You only get so many gear slots, so chasing the same BiS piece for two just removes some of the gearing options / opportunities. (Source)
That's understandable, but going for BiS is completely optional and nothing something all players do, I'm no expert but...
Unfortunately, we find the opposite. Many players expect BiS and even consider the second place item to be "garbage." (Source)

I like the new talent system but it makes leveling kinda unrewarding. Long stretches where you get nothing.
Agree. (Source)

As a corollary, that mean healers lacking mitigation should actually be leading "meters", Yet, the opposite is true.
Most players would do well to compare their own performance night to night and stop worrying about what everyone else does. (Source)
Either remove the ability of HPS meters/WoL to work,or balance the game around it.Cant change everyone's minds
Neither of those seems like a reasonable response to misinterpretation of data. (Source)

Do you feel that the shared achievements have worked out for 10 and 25 man raiding? Any plans for the future?
We think shared is fine, but it would be nice to be able to determine which version someone earned the achievement in. (Source)

Druid (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Buff Naturalist another 10% please, resto druids are bottom of logs in pve and burst pvp far outstrips resto driuds heals
Logs aren't a great way to measure healing done. Just as one example, PW:Barrier doesn't show up while Tranq does. (Source)

Why are shaman and druids doing so poorly this expansion in pve healing?
We think shaman are fine. We think druid hots get trumped a lot by absorbs, esp. paladin and Disc's. 5.3 changes should help. (Source)

Monk (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Just witnessed some major BrM hate in LFR lost 2 perfectly fine tanks because of their lower health pool, so many hate on BrM
That's just a weird perception. Brewmasters can tank anything. (Source)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Eternal Flame blanketing with paladin mastery is so strong. Why not revert the mastery nerf and make EF HoT not stack mastery.
We buffed EF just before release and have regretted it ever since. (Source)
Mastery was too strong regardless, but longer-term we don't want EF to be the only choice for Holy. (Source)
Could you follow up with a why? EF(in a 25h raid) implies much greater skill then keeping up SS+using LoD
Eternal Flame has like 90%+ use for Holy. That means they effectively lose a talent choice. If some used SS then it would be fine. (Source)
Keep in mind: to drop EF for SS, LoD needs to be viable. It's not good enough atm.
LoD just has to beat WoG, which it does. Eternal Flame is the problem. It lets Holy become a Resto druid and a Disc priest. (Source)

Recent Q+A mentioned more with shields - possible future choice for Ret (a la War TG/SMF)? 1h-shield Ret sounds interesting!
I think there is some interesting design space for offensive shield use. The 300s Spartans don't feel like Prot warriors to me. (Source)

I think retri pala still needs some special/unique ability to be picked up for "serious" games in pvp. What do you think?
Not crazy about the idea of 34 unique abilities to ensure that every spec gets picked up for PvP. Just feels like an arms race. (Source)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Was Rain if Fire intended to be part of Destruction single target rotation? Any plans to change it? Sorry if it's a repeat q
Not crazy about it. We don't want to change it for 5.3 in the middle of a tier, but maybe 5.4. We could buff embers in other ways. (Source)
An idea I had was to make RoF only generate embers if it hits at least 3 targets. What do you think about that?
Something like that would be fine. Just need to make sure single target ember generation doesn't feel too slow. (Source)

Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
That's irrelevant. People use Heroic Leap as a gap closer and not for it's DPS, especially with the nerf to the glyph.
If they're using it as a gap closer, then they don't need to worry about minimum range. (Source)

Fifth Element: Avengers - Dark Animus Kill
Another nice intro from Fifth Element!

This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 5.3 - The Old Seer, Ghostcrawler on Tri Spec, Blue Tweets, Fifth Element Video started by chaud View original post
Comments 59 Comments
  1. Lovecrafts's Avatar
    I would like to take a moment, to remind all the forum nay-sayers, who called other posters names, spewed arrogance, and laughed when we said their was a 7th sha; we told you so )
  1. SidheKnight's Avatar
    We don't need Tri-Spec.

    Fifth Element awesome as always.

    I hope Garrosh isn't possesed by the Sha of Pride or something... I'm tired of the old "corrupted" excuse for evil bosses in WoW.
  1. Prokne's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ItachiZaku View Post
    Oh, I certainly do. If it wasn't stated, it was implied. 50/50. "Want to get on your priest" was code for, we need top of the line deeps. "We need your resto druid" meant they were PVPing and needed heals. Now it's "eh, get on your raper monk" if they want to win whatever it is they are doing. I also know many people with 2 or more of the same class, each with different specs (oddly enough, equally geared). Might just be an RP thing in some of our minds.
    In the case of pure DPS classes I think of them just as the class, so hunter, rogue, mage vs mm hunter, sub rogue, frost mage. It doesnt really matter what spec they are because they all do the same thing. Otherwise its dps warrior, prot warrior, holy/prot/ret pally, ect as a reference to their role. The 2 priest healing specs are the same as a pure dps class. As for what you know your friends as, it would be their main spec. Friend X is a holy paladin with dps offspec. So even if that friend took prot as a 3rd spec, he would still be a holy paladin with both offspecs.

    What GC said doesnt apply to a lot of players so it really isnt a good argument. Then add in the fact that you can have multiples of the same spec and his argument is completely worthless. I want to spec my hunter MM raid/MM solo/Surv, shes going to be different than most other hunters.
  1. Azrile's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by UcanDoSht View Post
    Dunno what point you see here... we're already able to swap talent specs in a matter of 10 mins, gather different gear sets and learn how to play them. THIS would only make sense if classes were ONLY allowed to chose 2 specs and keep them forever.
    Yeah, I usually side with GC on most things, but he is losing this argument. We already have two specs, so nobody is a ´moonkin´ anymore. And even 3 specs is fairly easy right now as long as you don´t want to jump around mid raid. I go healing spec on Tuesdays to knock out LFR (with feral as secondary), then when I am done LFR, I change the healing to tanking for the rest of the week for satchels. Not really that big of a hassle. But I think GC´s argument is weak only because for most players, we really don´t think of them as a spec anyway. in my case, the spec I always keep (feral) is the one nobody sees me in because it is for soloing.
  1. Dackzor's Avatar
    I get that DPS classes dont really need a third spec.. but healers / hybrids?!

    I play druid, and I have the option to fill every role, which is sweet.. atm I play healer, but I believe the following could be true for tanks aswell:

    I need 1 spec to be viable in PvE (Healing).. if I ever want to grind / quest / dailies... I got my offspec (feral). That was all fine till blizzard updated the PvP system in 5.2 (Great changes)... so now I have to fit in a PvP spec somewhere.. would love to have that as a third spec, instead of using (to be fair, not that much) time to change glyphs, talents and spells...
  1. Vargur's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Baphomette View Post
    Yeah, that's .. half of.. everyone :P Extra phase at the end of Heroic Garrosh fight?
    Or bonus heroic boss

    Or most likely new world boss.
  1. Alayea's Avatar
    Looks like Blizzard has fixed the slightly buggy quest since I last did it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alayea (4/13/2013 PTR Bug Report) View Post
    When Seer Hao Pham Roo reaches the last rope anchor, he begins his dialogue as he is walking. However, he disappears prematurely, which I believe is why the audio cuts out early (around the part "as yourself").

    I repeatedly tested this and the result was always the same - the NPC only walked halfway and then fade away while he was still talking. I couldn't get him to finish that part of his dialogue.

    Seer Hao Pham Roo still appears besides the lore object "The Emperor's Burden - Part 2" to end the quest, though.

    I'm also of two minds on the whole tri-spec matter. On one side, I wouldn't mind at all if players were allowed to pick a third because I know that I wouldn't bother with it outside of getting an achievement for it. On the other side, though, choosing a spec ought to be meaningful - if you can basically "select all" then nothing really matters.

    I would strongly dislike it, if it were to ever happen, Blizzard removing dual-spec. I regularly switch between roles and I can very much remember what playing was like prior to patch 3.1. Here's a hint: A lot of people thought - and still do - that it was a godsend.
  1. Freia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SidheKnight View Post
    We don't need Tri-Spec.
    We don't need anything that has to do with this game. It is still something many people would like to have and would not hurt the game in any way. None of the excuses blizzard comes up with are valid.
  1. chaud's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Strafer View Post
    News is pretty still right now.

    No new PTR update?
    There have been several, but client updates only, no real changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by summons inc View Post
    Now it just feels like you are advertising every video that this guild does...
    People seem to like them and the news is slow right now, I don't see a problem with it.
  1. Torched's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by chaud View Post
    People seem to like them and the news is slow right now, I don't see a problem with it.
    I don´t see the problem ether, pretty nice intro tbh.
  1. Nitefyr's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SidheKnight View Post
    I hope Garrosh isn't possesed by the Sha of Pride or something... I'm tired of the old "corrupted" excuse for evil bosses in WoW.
    Probably not corrupted but because of his pride, he feeds the Sha unknowingly which in return feeds his hunger for power. So possessed or corrupted no, but working with, possible.
  1. Vesci's Avatar
    Ghostcrawler must be going senile. You ARE a druid. That you can only spec 2 of your 4 specs without visiting a trainer is a hassle and nothing more. You still have to gear properly for each spec which is actually what makes them unique.
  1. Rhaide's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alenarien View Post
    Can't say i'm that impressed with how the Sha of Pride is explained; seems to add more fuel to the notion that in the next expansion(s), the Faction conflict that has for so long been a part of WoW, even in the darkest times, is going to subside.
    Resolutions are much more sweet if the conflict has been a long time going. WoW won't last forever, and the war between the alliance and the horde has to end in a 'draw', it would piss too many people off if one side dominated the other. So:

    A) They have to cease the conflict eventually
    B) They probably want to cease the conflict before they end WoW's expansion cycle entirely, so probably in the next 1-2 expansions (hopefully it will go on, but the longer they draw it out, the more random stuff that has nothing to do with established lore they have to make up, ie Sha)

    There's nothing wrong with an end to something. Do you really want the game to stagnate and be remembered as something that didn't know when to quit?
  1. klorx's Avatar
    I guess garrosh is possessed with the sha of pride and i'm assuming the Sha of Pride will be the Ra-den of the final patch
  1. Xytal's Avatar
    What I find interesting is the Emperor couldn't get rid of his pride and that's why the mists were created around Pandraria.
  1. pankind's Avatar
    Defend dual spec, defend dual spec, defend dual spec.

    Patch 6.0 - Introducing tri-spec!
  1. UcanDoSht's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by pankind View Post
    Defend dual spec, defend dual spec, defend dual spec.

    Patch 6.0 - Introducing tri-spec!
    Exactly.. typicall Blizzard attitude during all of MoP.
  1. ringpriest's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by pankind View Post
    Defend dual spec, defend dual spec, defend dual spec.

    Patch 6.0 - Introducing tri-spec!
    I am just hoping that the same will be done to MoP's talent system: defend it until 6.0 then dump it ASAP.
  1. Comokni's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by klorx View Post
    I guess garrosh is possessed with the sha of pride and i'm assuming the Sha of Pride will be the Ra-den of the final patch
    I'd disagree with that. I, personally, feel that the Sha of Pride is too important (MoP lore wise) to have it be a heroic only boss, something that only a small percentage of players will experience.

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