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Patch 5.4 -Skeletal Warhorse and Warsaber Mounts
Patch 5.4 adds two new PvP mounts, the Reins of the Vicious Skeletal Warhorse and Reins of the Vicious Warsaber.

Currently, the mounts are sold by Netharian. on the PTR for a Vicious War Saddle, but it isn't very clear where those come from yet though, as we saw two different answers on the same day from two developers:







Patch 5.4 In Game Store Update
It looks like the Asian regions will be the first to be able to purchase faster leveling and Lesser Charms!
Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Thanks for all the feedback so far, everyone. We’re still pretty early in the exploration process, but we did want to go into more detail about our rationale for introducing an in-game store, as well as provide some insight into what you might ultimately see available there.

For players who are already interested in the in-game items we offer, such as Pet Store pets and mounts, the benefits of an in-game store are pretty clear. We think everyone would appreciate the convenience of being able to make such purchases without having to leave the game, and ultimately that’s our long-term goal for the system, though there’s quite a bit of work involved in retrofitting those existing items into the new system.

First, we’ll be testing the in-game store with some new kinds of items we’re looking into introducing (in Asian regions, at the outset) based on player feedback: specifically, an experience buff to assist with the leveling process, as well as an alternate way to acquire Lesser Charms of Good Fortune. We’ve had a lot of requests from players in different regions for convenience-oriented items such as these, and as with other new ideas we’ve introduced as WoW has evolved—including Pet Store pets, mounts, and more—your feedback plays a hugely important part in determining what we add to the game.

Ultimately it’s still too early in the process to make any final determinations about our plans, but in the meantime, we hope you’ll check out the in-game store once it’s implemented on the PTR and let us know what you think.

Patch 5.4 PTR Notes Update
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
General
New Feature: Flexible Raid Difficulty
  • Player spells with different target limits depending on raid size will gradually increase their limits based on the number of players in Flexible Raid difficulty.

Classes
Death Knight (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • Blood
    • Scent of Blood now also has a chance to activate when the Death Knight dodges or parries a melee attack.

Druid (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • Talents
    • Force of Nature
      • Guardian: Guardian Druids now gain Vengeance when their Treant takes damage.

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • General
    • Counter Shot is now a baseline interrupt ability learned by all Hunters at level 22.
  • Talents
    • Silencing Shot is no longer a talent and is now an ability that replaces Counter Shot for Marksman Hunters.

Monk (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • Talents
    • Invoke Xuen, the White Tiger's summoned version of Xuen will no longer taunt off players that are tank-specialized.
      • For Brewmaster Monks, they now gain Vengeance when Xuen takes damage.
  • Glyphs
    • Glyph of Afterlife now increases the chance to summon a Healing Sphere by 100% (up from 25% chance).
  • Brewmaster
    • Keg Smash now deals 18% less damage.
  • Windwalker
    • Mastery: Bottled Fury has been redesigned. The Mastery now gives a chance to generate an additional charge of Tigereye Brew when the Monk gains one normally.
    • Tigereye Brew received a number of adjustments.
      • Stacks up to 30 charges (up from 20 charges).
      • Can be consumed 15 at a time (up from 10 at a time).
      • Increases damage by 5% per stack, (up from 1% per stack) but is no longer increased by Mastery.
      • The Monk gains 1 charge of Tigereye Brew for every 4 Chi spent (down from 1 charge per 3 Chi spent).

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • General
    • Seal of Insight no longer has a chance to restore mana on attacks.
  • Glyphs
    • Glyph of Battle Healer has been redesigned. The glyph now causes Seal of Insight to heal the most wounded raid or party member instead of the Paladin.
  • Protection
    • Grand Crusader no longer has a chance to activate from Crusader Strike and Hammer of the Righteous, but now has a 30% chance to activate when dodging or parrying a melee attack (up from 12%).

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • Shadow
    • Shadowy Apparitions now creates a shadowy version of the Priest that floats towards the target and deals damage. The apparitions are now treated as a missile, and is no longer an attackable creature.

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • General
    • Eviscerate now deals 10% less damage.
  • Talents
    • Burst of Speed's cost has been reduced to 15 Energy (down from 30 Energy).
    • Cheat Death now reduces damage taken by 85% after activating (up from 80%).
    • Cloak and Dagger now allows the Rogue to use Ambush, Garrote, and Cheap Shot from 40 yards away (up from 30 yards).
    • Shadowstep now has a reduced cooldown of 20 seconds (down from 24 seconds).
  • Assassination
    • Assassination Rogues should no longer be eligible for any other weapon types except daggers in situations where loot is automatically awarded(Raid Finder, Bonus Rolls, Heroic/Normal Scenarios, and the upcoming Flexible Raid difficulty.)
  • Subtlety
    • Backstab now deals 315% weapon damage (up from 275%).
    • Hemorrhage now deals 160% weapons damage (up from 140%); 232% weapons damage if a dagger is equipped (up from 203% for daggers).

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • General
    • Chain Heal's effectiveness will no longer decrease with each jump (up from a 30% reduction to healing with each jump).
    • Earth Elemental Totem's summoned Greater Earth Elemental will no longer taunt off players that are tank-specialized.
    • Healing Rain's radius has been increased to 12 yards, up from 10 yards. For 25-player instances, Healing Rain will heal for a reduced amount when healing more than 14 raid members. It remains the same in 10-player instances, healing for a reduced amount when healing more than 6 raid members.
  • Talents
    • New Talent: Rushing Streams. This new talent replaces Healing Tide Totem, increases healing done by Healing Stream Totem by 100%, and causes the totem to heal 2 targets at once.
    • Healing Tide Totem is no longer a talent and is a baseline ability for all Shamans. Additionally, this totem will now heal 12 raid members (up from 5) when used in a 25-player instance. now heals for 50% more.
  • Class Armor
    • Elemental Shaman 2-piece PvP set bonus has been changed. It now allows Lightning Shield to be triggered once every 1.5 seconds instead of once every 3 seconds.

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • Talents
    • Archimonde's Vengeance has been redesigned. For the passive portion of the talent, each time the Warlock or their pet takes damage, the Warlock now gains 1% of the unmitigated damage back as spell power for 20 seconds.
  • Glyphs
    • Glyph of Everlasting Affliction will be redesigned.
    • Glyph of Soul Swap will be redesigned.
  • Affliction
    • Agony now deals 5% more damage.
    • Drain Soul now deals 40% less damage, and if other periodic Affliction damage effects are triggered by Drain Soul, they now deal 60% of their normal damage (down from 100%).
    • Haunt now deals 50% more damage, and increases damage done by all of the Warlock's other spells against the target by 45%.
    • Malefic Grasp now deals 40% less damage, and causes all of of the Warlock's other periodic Affliction damage effects to instantly deal 30% of their normal periodic damage (down from 50%).
    • Nightfall now gives Corruption a 7% chance to generate a Soul Shard (up from a 5% chance), but the increased chance only works on the most recently applied Corruption.
    • Soul Swap no longer does any damage, and now copies damage-over-time effects instead of just moving them without needing a glyph. Copied effects now once again preserve their power and duration. Duration has been reduced to 6 seconds (down from 20 seconds).
    • Unstable Affliction now deals 10% more damage.

Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • Protection
    • Revenge now generates 20 Rage (up from 15 Rage).

Battlegrounds and Arenas
Battlegrounds
  • Conquest Point rewards for winning a random or call-to-arms Battleground match has been increased.
    • First win of the day now awards 150 Conquest Points (up from 100).
    • Subsequent wins now awards 75 Conquest Points (up from 50).
  • Strand of the Ancients
    • Bombs are no longer an item held in the player's inventory and will now do considerably more damage, 4500 (up from 1250).
    • Players carrying a bomb now have a button that allows them to place it with a spell effect over their heads.
      • Placing a bomb takes 2 seconds, and can be interrupted like a Battleground capture point.
      • Disarming a bomb takes 2 seconds, and can be interrupted like a Battleground capture point.
    • Demolishers will no longer have the Ram ability and only one will spawn at each stage.

Legendary Cloak Effects
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Legendary Cloak Effects and Druid/Warlock Forms
As the legendary spell effects are tied to the procs and not the cloak graphics themselves, they will still display even if your cloak is hidden. That includes Druid forms.

How's it work with Meta for demo locks I wonder? I'd love to know it's all gonna be smooth sailing
I haven't confirmed Meta form specifically, but I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Will players that haven't been doing the quests or chose to level a new character have a chance at getting these cloaks?
You won't get them quite as quickly as someone who's already on the most recent step of the quest chain when 5.4 releases, but we do have plans to shorten the amount of time it takes to "catch up." We made similar changes for the 5.0 steps of the chain when 5.2 launched. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Legendary Cloak and Transmogrification
How many of you are concerned that legacy legendaries will become the new Paladin Tier 2, in that everyone and his dog will be equipping them? Wouldn't it somehow ruin the novelty of owning these items when you get to see them being used constantly, even by levelling characters? Alright, I guess the argument for items that aren't available anymore is a little stronger in my eyes.

But hey, we're not ruling it out completely—one day, who knows? We purposefully made it very limited when transmogrification started, so we could maybe open things up further down the road. I've seen plenty of people argue against this is all.

I mean, allowing players to transmog into legendaries isn't gonna automatically increase the number of players having, say, Thunderfury
Are you sure? One of the reasons I've never gone for the Twin Blades of Azzinoth is because I know I wouldn't be able to show them off constantly. All that work for a few minutes posing in Stormwind? But if I could transmogrify them, I'd be in BT every waking moment trying for those things, and I think there'd be a few more like me. Just a guess, of course. At least now when you see someone taking those few minutes to /flex in the city with those awesome old school legendaries, you're impressed. Well, I am. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 5.4 Hunter Updates
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
As I've mentioned before, we're still discussing Hunter concerns. When we have an update, we will share it.
I said this 5 days ago, before a holiday weekend. We haven't somehow jumped ahead several weeks in development while everyone's been out of the office.

I know it can be frustrating to be patient, but that's just how our development process works. We're still pretty early in that process. As I've mentioned before, balance tuning typically takes place towards the end of the PTR cycle. Hunter sustained DPS in the wake of the Readiness nerf is a concern that we're well aware of and fully intend to fix -- when we get to that point.

For clarity: we know there are other issues than just Readiness. Arcane Shot vs Kill Command is one such issue that, again, we intend to fix. I will make sure to bring up the other concerns to the team as well.

He can be our man on the inside and a champion for our class. It would be risky and challenging, but, if he cares about this game and us, he absolutely should do it. If I could walk down the hall and force Greg to hear these issues I would do so in a heartbeat.
This is starting to get pretty off-topic, and I apologize, but I want to be clear: this is exactly what I do. Daily. For every class. My job as a World of Warcraft Community Representative, as it turns out, is to represent the community. I take my job very seriously. We all do.

I know all too well how frustrating it can be when you're concerned about something and it appears that we're being silent. I was in those shoes myself until very recently. Just please be aware that silence isn't necessarily a bad thing. In many cases, including this one, it means we're still actively discussing things and just don't have anything we're comfortable sharing yet.

We really do appreciate all of the feedback, both on Hunter concerns as well as how we can communicate better. This thread in particular should probably stick to Hunter concerns, but I want to be the very best (like no one ever was) and can always work to improve how we interact with you guys.

Alright, I have a few updates, followed by a request. Here’s what the developers are currently thinking about several of the issues brought up in this thread:

Regarding Stampede: We’re happy with the damage it’s currently putting out in PvP. For PvE, we’re planning to buff its damage pretty heavily, so it becomes a substantially more potent DPS cooldown. We don’t want to give it any more utility than it has now, for reasons we’ve explained at length already.

Readiness is still under heavy discussion, and we haven’t made a final decision on what we’re going to do with it in 5.4. At the moment, we’re leaning towards just removing the ability entirely and giving the affected abilities shorter cooldowns or charges to compensate. If we end up taking that route, we will buff Hunter damage (most likely across the board, not just specific abilities), but as I mentioned, we’re still discussing.

Murder of Crows vs Blink strike is also still under heavy discussion. Our goal (with all talents) is that active abilities used properly will outperform passive ones. We haven’t decided yet what adjustments we’ll make to achieve that in 5.4.

Scatter/Silencing Shot: We don’t consider interrupts to be mandatory in PvE. If a Hunter would rather not take the Glyph of Scattered Thoughts, there are plenty of other players in the raid who could take on the responsibility. We like Silencing Shot as a Marksman perk overall, but we’re still discussing things. We may end up making a baseline Interrupting Shot that gets upgraded to Silencing Shot if you spec Marksman.

Speaking of spec differences, we agree that Hunter rotations feel cooler when your signature shots do a lot more damage than other shots, and we’ll discuss that some more. That’s part of the reasoning behind the Arcane Shot changes – our hope is that saving up more Focus for a bigger hit will feel better than firing off smaller shots more regularly.

As to overall Hunter performance and utility, we don’t think the issues are with the Hunter class specifically. Instead, we think that certain other classes are overperforming (in both) at the moment. Fixing those outliers will, in turn, make a good Hunter more attractive for their raid spot. You may have seen some (but not all) changes along those lines on the PTR already.

Pet pathing errors are unfortunately extremely difficult to fix. A lot of the time, the problem isn’t with the pet AI but with the environment or encounter. That means there’s no blanket fix here; we have to resolve every such error individually. When reporting these problems, it’s most helpful to be very specific. “My pet has trouble getting to the boss during this phase transition on this encounter” allows us to reproduce the issue and come up with a fix. “My pet is dumb” does not.

Which brings me to my request. This thread has a lot of great feedback put together by a good handful of Hunters who just want their class to be fun – which is amazing! The issue is that, in order to find those helpful posts, we have to dig through hundreds of other posts that contain no helpful information whatsoever (and instead focus on how class X got more blue posts this week, or employee Y must just hate Hunters, etc.). There’s always going to be some of that, and we expect as much, but this thread has been particularly out of hand.

I’m not bringing that up because it hurts my feelings or whatever. That sort of thing doesn’t really affect me. I’m bringing it up because it makes it incredibly difficult for us to figure out what you’re actually upset about. When we have to sift through so much noise just to find something we can actually bring up in our meetings and discuss, the end result is that we have less to talk about in our meetings. I’m sure there are still some concerns that I didn’t address above – if that’s the case, it’s 100% because they got lost in the pile. That sucks.

So please, try to keep things constructive. You’re only hurting yourselves and your fellow Hunters otherwise. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

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Published on 2013-07-09 06:52 AM
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  1. shadowfyre27's Avatar
    I agree if they do expand the cash shop to sell a larger variety of items such as the xp buff, transmog armor (no stats on it), more mounts, pets then yea I would like to see the sub price lowered. They make a ton of money already with the pets and mounts they sell so with a larger amount of items they can afford a lower sub like say $10 a month.
  1. Spectre72's Avatar
    So, one of the items Blizzard is trying out in their store is an Elixir that players can buy to help speed up the leveling process and players are upset over this why? Is it because this is perceived as a precursor to Blizzard adding other items that players feel will turn the game into more of a (p2w) model with a sub? Maybe this is Blizzards way of trying out the micro transaction model in World of Warcraft to see how well it does so as to move away from the Subscription based model. I'm not sure if that's the goal, but from everything I've read online the Subscription based model isn't doing all that well, and it would seem that the f2p with a micro transaction store is the way to go.
  1. Mrisacc's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by mtvoelker View Post
    Pretty sure it's impossible for a DK to have corrupted ashbringer since it was a Vanilla weap and dk's weren't active until two expansions later.
    Impossible now maybe with all the fixes to transmog, but in the past there are a select few death knights that had the opportunity to tranmog corrupted ashbringer. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Raylonn/simple
  1. mistersamman's Avatar
    I wouldn't mind dropping a few bucks to save some time leveling an alt.
  1. shadowfyre27's Avatar
    It's not the xp elixir that has people upset as far as I know, myself included. It's them selling the lesser charms that is upsetting people. I have pointed out in my previous posts my PoV in that by selling the lesser charms they effectively selling gear which is what none of us thing is appropriate for a sub based game to do. I have no problem with the xp buff being sold that's fine but I do not and will never condone them selling lesser charms or gear or anything of the sort.
  1. fleps's Avatar
    I don't understand why the Horde mount has "blueish" colors on it. It would make way more sense to be "redish".

    And I think it's about time to make those new mounts flyable, so much work on it to just be able to use it on BG's.
  1. Duster505's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaq View Post
    Why would anyone BUY lesser charms? The damn things are practically falling out of the skies these days, and I know no one in the US or EU is asking for it. I've got nearly 6000 of the damn things, and will likely have more than I need unless they're implemented as a mechanism in the next expansion.

    It's almost as if it's a pressing need for a market where people buy time and have the ability to play only by the hour, where the biggest MMO names are all F2P.

    You know, like Asia. Like the blue post says.

    Stop greasing the slippery slope, guys.
    If Lesser charms are easy to get now... doesn't mean that will be the case in 2 years time. And then you might need 1000 to just make one bigger one. Thats how these game claim they are making the game "easier" for players when in fact they can just develop it so that ppl are not forced to grind it. We can bet that we will see alot of grinding for lesser charms if they will be put into ingame store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistersamman View Post
    I wouldn't mind dropping a few bucks to save some time leveling an alt.
    I wouldn't mind Blizzard then going back and rebalancing the game back to 50 lvls instead of 90 so that the leveling experience for EVERYONE is fun and enjoyable... not just for those that pay extra to get rid of the grind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeloria View Post
    The thing is, and I've said this about other games, is that it's not really play 2 win, it's more play 2 speed up the process. If you want to take the slow and steady route to obtaining xp and charms, then you can, if you're willing to speed up the process, then there's a small fee. It's like how you pay to get into Universal Studios and then you can pay extra to jump to the front of every line. True pay 2 win would be "$50 gets you an uber elite group of NPCs that will clear any heroic raid for you."
    It is pay to win. Imagine world first guilds spending hours upon hours grinding Lesser charms (Blizzard WILL increase the grind like every F2P game out there) when they can just buy them and spend more time on bosses. That would ofc be ok IF ppl were not already PAYING for just login in in the first place. Lesser charms should not be added into the game in the first place to "improve" the RNG.

    The fact of the matter here is that Blizzard is trying to make new ways to make revenues cause they are loosing big atm in terms of subs. AB lost 28% in profit last year and WOW was the biggest loss of revenues of any AB game. THATS what is happening now... Game development has become last choice of interest for them. Its all about money.
  1. Revak's Avatar
    Why not just let people pay for a toon to get boosted to either 60, 70, 80, or 85 (anything but the leveling of the current xpack). Blizz has made it obvious they do not care about the leveling process. I also think that maybe they could ease leveling further for those playing alts. When you have a toon hit 1000 valor all your other toons on that server get a 50% buff to the valor they acquire. Why not let your account get a 5-10% xp buff per character you hit max level on during the xpack. First toon has no bonus. After hitting 90 on that toon the 2nd toon gets a permanent added 5% boost, 3rd 10%, 4th 15%, so on and so forth. On top of the boa gear and guild perks.



    Also, if they introduce all this "pay for" stuff on top of subscriptions I really hope they actually start releasing more content instead of less and less.
  1. Ganksinatra's Avatar
    The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

    Perhaps you should all take a deep breath an realize that it won't matter if someone buys 50 or 5 million LESSER charms from the in game store, because they can only redeem 50 a week. Jeez you all squirt out a litter of puppies every time they post something you think MIGHT effect you, and instead of actually thinking about it rationally, you spaz out and throw a toddler tantrum. And people wonder why Blizz has lost so many subs. It's entitled whiners like you that have made this community toxic, and a large reason why I left.
  1. markdall's Avatar
    1. Maybe I need to finish my coffee but wtf is Counter Shot?
    2. "as well as an alternate way to acquire Lesser Charms of Good Fortune." and wow just became P2W.
  1. mmoc1615415e70's Avatar
    How much would you guys pay for a faster level flask? I assume it is Bind to account.

    I'm thinking 9.99? But i imagine they are thinking 24.99.

    Discuss..
  1. VanishO2's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ganksinatra View Post
    The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

    Perhaps you should all take a deep breath an realize that it won't matter if someone buys 50 or 5 million LESSER charms from the in game store, because they can only redeem 50 a week. Jeez you all squirt out a litter of puppies every time they post something you think MIGHT effect you, and instead of actually thinking about it rationally, you spaz out and throw a toddler tantrum. And people wonder why Blizz has lost so many subs. It's entitled whiners like you that have made this community toxic, and a large reason why I left.
    "The sky is falling! You should all take a deep breath an realize that they're just pets and mounts"

    "hi dear blizzard customers, we're implementing the realid system and thanks to the success of the pet/mount selling, we're selling it as a subscribe service and..."

    See where we are going? Oh, you weren't around when they tried to $$ the realid? Sad.

    And who said you won't be able to bypass the redeem limit? LoL... it's $$. That those charms will even obey the in-game redeem rules?

    When you start charging for stuff, you actually need to make it viable and interesting to buy instead of farm. That's what every single cash shop game does. They're checking if they can deal with the uproar by releasing tiny infos about the itens... "ah, it's just a xp boost", "well... i don't even farm lesser charms anymore...", "hummm... an extra raid lockout per week? I guess it won't change the game...", always the "it's random drop anyway". "Increase your bonus roll drop chances with Store Fortune Elixer Boost...".

    A game I've played for years before WoW, they started just like that, the game died. "it's just a xp potion", but the game started taking 1% xp of you if you died, "it's just a ticket for extra something"... in the end, you could buy even SELF-battle resses...

    They start selling convenient stuff, things to just ease or improve QoL... but QoL, convenience, etc. is all relative. Soon buying a characters, gear, etc... can be considered improved QoL.

    I can easily bet my money on a rep gain booster for next xpac with them going again with all this rep gatting madness for everthing in the game.
  1. Squirreludecker's Avatar
    you wouldnt believe the anger that was set off on my mumble server when i said asia would get the cash shop "First". i guess now they can direct their anger toward MMOChampion too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanishO2 View Post
    "The sky is falling! You should all take a deep breath an realize that they're just pets and mounts"

    "hi dear blizzard customers, we're implementing the realid system and thanks to the success of the pet/mount selling, we're selling it as a subscribe service and..."

    See where we are going? Oh, you weren't around when they tried to $$ the realid? Sad.
    They NEVER tried to sell the RealID system as a premium service. It wasnt even an option, just a rumor, spread by people who dont pay attention, such as you
  1. The Ogdru Jahad's Avatar
    With these hunter changes incoming, and a lot of other classes getting some substantial ability/talent changes, even new glyphs which I've seen a ton of people excited for... I gotta say blizzard is really delivering some good class balance fixes this coming tier. I'm excited to see how it pans out for Pvp! But the SoO raid isn't really grabbing me yet. Still waiting on some more bosses!
  1. Worgoblin's Avatar
    Conquest Point rewards for winning a random or call-to-arms Battleground match has been increased.

    Nice. I love random BG's, so this makes me happy
  1. krabork's Avatar
    The beginning of "pay to win".
  1. pepe2c's Avatar
    they had 2 change WW mastery otherwise Rune of Re-Origination would had been the BiS till next Exp
  1. Ganksinatra's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by VanishO2 View Post
    "The sky is falling! You should all take a deep breath an realize that they're just pets and mounts"

    "hi dear blizzard customers, we're implementing the realid system and thanks to the success of the pet/mount selling, we're selling it as a subscribe service and..."

    See where we are going? Oh, you weren't around when they tried to $$ the realid? Sad.

    And who said you won't be able to bypass the redeem limit? LoL... it's $$. That those charms will even obey the in-game redeem rules?

    When you start charging for stuff, you actually need to make it viable and interesting to buy instead of farm. That's what every single cash shop game does. They're checking if they can deal with the uproar by releasing tiny infos about the itens... "ah, it's just a xp boost", "well... i don't even farm lesser charms anymore...", "hummm... an extra raid lockout per week? I guess it won't change the game...", always the "it's random drop anyway". "Increase your bonus roll drop chances with Store Fortune Elixer Boost...".

    A game I've played for years before WoW, they started just like that, the game died. "it's just a xp potion", but the game started taking 1% xp of you if you died, "it's just a ticket for extra something"... in the end, you could buy even SELF-battle resses...

    They start selling convenient stuff, things to just ease or improve QoL... but QoL, convenience, etc. is all relative. Soon buying a characters, gear, etc... can be considered improved QoL.

    I can easily bet my money on a rep gain booster for next xpac with them going again with all this rep gatting madness for everthing in the game.
    That's a TON of assumptions on your part. Since you're apparently some sort of psychic, can I get this week's lotto numbers? These are totally quality of life items they are selling. If they still gate xp gain at whatever it is for top output with the leveling items we already have, the only people who would buy these is those who don't have that gear already. Furthermore, getting the lesser charms is easy already. Merely being able to pay instead of farm for them is a QoL improvement. It is NO DIFFERENT than spending an hour doing dailies or farming Barrens bosses, they just have more income and less time. And I think this is what it really all comes down to. Jealousy has a way of tainting someone's perception of life.

    EDIT: Oh, and I've played up until last month from launch. When my guild started screwing me out of loot with these odd rules, I knew that the community had soured enough for me to bail, and I am playing Rift until FFXIV:ARR or EQNext launches. There was NEVER a plan to sell RealId as an extra sub. It was more conjecture and assumption from people like you that started that rumor.
  1. Whopoppedhero's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowfyre27 View Post
    The funny thing is that's pretty much what they are offering. Technically speaking by offering to sell lesser charms they are by proxy offering to sell you the best gear in game. You can't truthfully say that they aren't. As I pointed out lesser charms lead to a chance at gear. For heroic raiders this means that you can technically speaking purchase thunderforged heroic items. Is it a sure thing you will get a thunderforged heroic item? no, but then you can therefore it is by proxy technically selling BiS gear and that you can't say it isn't.

    As per the "we'll never see this on western realms" can you absolutely with 100% certainty say this? Are you the person behind this idea and therefore know exactly where it will be deployed? If not then you can't say for certain that it won't be done here. That is the point many of us are making. We want to make our voices loud and clear now before Blizzard gets anymore of an inkling that this will be acceptable here. They have made it clear to us that the Asian market is only the first place they want to implement this which infers they have plans for other markets as well. And yes I know this isn't the official forums but they are currently down and there's a discussion about here so we are voicing our opinions here currently.
    Ladies and gentlemen, behold the massive hyperventilation that's going on here. Actually, it's not akin to selling gear. It's akin to buying Charms, which DO NOT guarantee gear. It's a gamble (everyone has the same chances), it's limited per week (everyone has the same limit), and more often than not, leaves you empty handed. That's the luck of the lottery. Let's be honest about what the real issue is here for all the whiners, at least regarding Charms, as we really have no other clue as to what Blizzard may or may not offer from an In-Game Store. It's not the purchase of Charms or other said convenience (EXP boost) items that irks them; they're butt hurt that others would be able to bypass doing dailies or other grinds for Charms. The real issue is time commitment; the whiners see their time and effort in game as more valuable than someone's time and effort out of game. Believe it or not, people who will pay for Charms are putting themselves more at risk that those who don't; if they lose on their bonus rolls, at least the person who didn't pay can say "well, my there goes the time I invested in grinding, better luck next week" whereas the person who paid loses both time AND money. Such is the nature of gambling. I say if people want to pony up and chance the odds, let them. Bonus rolls don't guarantee anything, you can't say otherwise.

    I'm not arguing for or against an In-Game Store, but you make it seem as if heroic thunderforged BiS gear is going to rain from the skies. Guess what? It won't, just like it doesn't currently.
  1. Ganksinatra's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Whopoppedhero View Post
    Ladies and gentlemen, behold the massive hyperventilation that's going on here. Actually, it's not akin to selling gear. It's akin to buying Charms, which DO NOT guarantee gear. It's a gamble (everyone has the same chances), it's limited per week (everyone has the same limit), and more often than not, leaves you empty handed. That's the luck of the lottery. Let's be honest about what the real issue is here for all the whiners, at least regarding Charms, as we really have no other clue as to what Blizzard may or may not offer from an In-Game Store. It's not the purchase of Charms or other said convenience (EXP boost) items that irks them; they're butt hurt that others would be able to bypass doing dailies or other grinds for Charms. The real issue is time commitment; the whiners see their time and effort in game as more valuable than someone's time and effort out of game. Believe it or not, people who will pay for Charms are putting themselves more at risk that those who don't; if they lose on their bonus rolls, at least the person who didn't pay can say "well, my there goes the time I invested in grinding, better luck next week" whereas the person who paid loses both time AND money. Such is the nature of gambling. I say if people want to pony up and chance the odds, let them. Bonus rolls don't guarantee anything, you can't say otherwise.

    I'm not arguing for or against an In-Game Store, but you make it seem as if heroic thunderforged BiS gear is going to rain from the skies. Guess what? It won't, just like it doesn't currently.
    ^this. A million times this. I personally would rather farm for charms, seeing as they are easily gained, and I lose no money when my roll goes bunk. But some people have more money than time. Why should we begrudge them?
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