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Human Female Model Feedback
The new Human Female model was released on Thursday, and Bashiok took the opportunity to comment on some feedback and questions about system requirement changes.

Originally Posted by Bashiok (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
As we've said, we're looking to in essence update the original models, even though in actuality making them completely from scratch. Out goal is to keep the "spirit" of the originals, but increase poly count, texture resolution, and animation (to a pretty amazing effect, we think. What we're not looking to do is change what these characters are and what they've been. We already face a huge hurdle in that we're messing with what is the most iconic and personal part of the game - a person's character. A digital representation of themselves in the game world, even if if that representation is a giant cow-man. Way above and beyond anything else in the game, changing how someone looks is a monumentally delicate task. We want to keep the proportions as similar to the original models as possible, we're going to keep posture and silhouette close to the originals, but all just with a much higher level of detail. When you see your character it should still be your character, and these should still be representative of the player character models we've all been playing as for the past 9+ years.

It's really tempting to want to make major revisions, but someone chose to play a character largely because of the way they looked, and it has come to represent their in-game identity.

That's all well and good! But making her skinnier and more waifish, especially in WARcraft, seems like the wrong direction in which to have deviated.
I would have to respectfully disagree that she deviates to any great degree from the original model when compared side-by-side, except that the proportions are slightly more full.

Here are the two shown in the preview without any alteration. -

Ok well this is taking all sorts of weird turns, so I'll just close this thread by saying there's no commentary here on anything outside of the game, nor should there be. This is the original model launched with the game with more polygons, higher resolution textures, and better animations. That's our goal, and we think we're creating faithful reproductions of the originals.

My question is, do you have any idea at this time what that demand is going to be? I have signed up for Beta and my computer specs are listed there, but I also know that I get lag in raids and high graphic environments, like flying through heavily colored areas.
We don't, and we tend not to have updated system requirements/recommendations until most content is in, most big changes and engineering are done, and we're looking like there isn't going to be anything else that would greatly affect performance. So we won't really know absolutely until some point through the beta. We're keenly aware of the system requirements the new character models may require, and how that could impact client performance. No further details yet on how they'll be supported on lower end systems, if at all.

Fun fact, the game still supports processors and graphics cards that were released over 8 years ago. To put that in other terms, modern day systems are in some cases 50x more powerful than the lowest end systems the game still supports. Moving us forward graphically in such a dramatic way with the new models is going to require a lot of testing, tweaking, optimizing, and determination of what we can realistically support going forward, but we just don't know what that will look like yet.

Would it be possible to include the old models as a option so that users with older computers can opt out if the new models do cause some frame-rate lag.
That's of course something we've considered as a fail-safe, but again just don't know quite yet.

Season 15 PvP Gear
Patch 5.4.7 updated the Season 15 gear to be item level 550, as well as switching the colors that the Horde and Alliance get.
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
It probably goes without saying, but just in case: we'll be increasing Base Resilience and Battle Fatigue to keep things in line.

So what's next? 80%? 90%? 100%?Are just going to stand there and blink at each other?
We totally agree that having Base Resilience and Battle Fatigue numbers so high is not an ideal experience. We don't like it either. We want to significantly lower, or possibly even remove them in Warlords.

Thing is, doing that requires a lot more underlying work to be done first. Health pools, ability scaling, mana regen... all of those need some pretty substantial adjustments. That's not something we'd consider doing mid-expansion, but in 6.0 (where we're already shrinking numbers down via the item squish), we can.

In the meantime, we want to be able to offer PvP'ers some new gear for the new season, and in order to do that, we need to tone damage and healing back a bit. We have to work within what we have currently available, and that means increasing Base Resilience and Battle Fatigue.

Are you going to tone down scaling with some classes? WW and rogues scale ridiculously well with agility and damage is insane right now. I know with the increase of resil it should help, but I feel like it's not going to be enough.
We're definitely looking out for any balance changes that will be necessary. I don't have any specifics to share at the moment (we'll know more after we can get some testing in) but there will likely be some. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

I'm 50/50. I'm concerned that PvP gear will be much easier to get than equivalent PvE gear. But yet is indeed harder to acquire than timeless or LFR and should as such be better. I would vote for 540, which is flex level.
It's important to remember that Flex gear can be upgraded to item level 548, and has extra advantages through things like sockets and set bonuses. We don't feel that the extra 2 item levels on Prideful pieces are going to make them more desirable for Flex raiders.

And yet non-arena gear remains the same. So my days of PVP for a bit are over. I have no desire to "Arena" or RBG. Yet I get screwed more and more for PVP
If you're referring to Honor gear, as in previous seasons, we'll be making the last season's (Grievous) gear available for Honor. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Karazhan Crypt
Oh yeah, I remember that! Haven't seen a screenshot in quite a while. Not sure I know the story on it but knowing our development processes back then there tended to be a lot more stuff made that we just didn't use. I can't imagine the game rating rumor is accurate, because if it was content we wanted to use we'd just take out the upside-down sinners or whatever the issue was and use it for whatever it was we wanted to do with that space. It's not like they're permanent fixtures. Fun rumor though! More likely we just changed our minds. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Tyrael's Charger as a Store Mount
The regions are separate ecosystems, and availability of items within one region vs. another aren't usually particularly noteworthy because you're never going to see that player in Taiwan on your server with that rare item you got for logging in during some event, or got through that limited time promotion. We think it kind of sucks that a pet collector in Europe could never hope to get that China-exclusive Golden Pig pet from back in 2007, or that just because you live in a region with a different business model where the Annual Pass didn't make any sense, that you never had a chance to get a Tyrael's Charger. We definitely do not want to undermine the exclusivity of someone's mount or pet between them and their friends, or guild, or server, or region, but we think it makes a lot of sense to have equality of items ... not even their availability necessarily, but just their existing, throughout all regions. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Speaking of holiday event rewards...any chance of a corgi vanity pet like the one in the Greench cave sometime in the future?
Always a chance! Seems to be lots of enthusiasm for more dog breeds w/ both players & designers. (Dave_Maldo)

Warlords of Draenor Stats
Will STR still add parry in WOD or not? Cause both AGI and INT increase crit right now.
Currently, the plan is that yes, Str still gives Parry for Str-users. And Agi still gives Dodge for Agi-users. (Celestalon)

But to clarify that statement, I think fiddling with DR's is like fiddling with core of arena. I'm afraid of results.
You and me both, but we think it's the right move to make the game better. There will be challenges to overcome. (Source)

dampening imo was a bad fix, you can't tell me that there isn't a better fix that doesn't gimp a specific roll!
One role prolongs a fight. One role ends it. We have to address one of them to avoid a stalemate. (holinka)
a dmg buff would be recieved better then a massive FU healers debuff. It would let the healer contribute more offensively also
I'm not sure about that. I think we'd just see a lot more "what hit me?!" complaints (holinka)

Any plan for a PvP version of Proving Grounds ? Something like arenas vs NPCs to learn the ropes ?
I would love to do something like this. Not sure when/if we'll get to. (holinka)

Is necrotic strike affected by BF the same way heals are? If not what's the reasoning?
Oh no, not this again. Necrotic strike is affected by Resilience because it is damage. It is not affected by Battle Fatigue. (holinka)
I get damage being mitigated by res, but surely the heal absorb should be affected by BF? It has become OP as BF has increased
No it should not be reduced by BF because it is not a heal. It is a damage spell. (holinka)

Please use the item squish to get rid of base res.Balance PvE numbers after PvP.Priorities are different but that would help alot!
We dislike how large base resil and battle fatigue numbers have gotten too. Out goal is to reduce or eliminate both in Warlords. (holinka)

could we ever see a solo queue RBG group finder? i feel like it could use the in-game voice chat that never gets love
You'll be able to use the Group Finder to find RBG groups. Like the idea of someone forming/running groups instead of queueing. (holinka)

Have you tried making the world feel more alive? Dynamic instead of static? NPCs pacing around feels robotic and artificial.
Yes. In fact, there might even be engineers experimenting w/ tech for that right now. Experimenting, mind you. Maybe. (Dave_Maldo)

EU Connected Realms Update - 23/01
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
The following realms are due to be connected next:

English Realms
  • (PvP) Xavius and Skullcrusher
  • (PvP) Auchindoun and Jaedenar

The following realms are scheduled to be connected after the realms above:

English Realms
  • (PvP) Dragonmaw and Haomarush
  • (PvP) Zenedar and Bladefist
  • (PvP) Deathwing and Karazhan/Lightning’s Blade

French Realms
  • (PvE) Krasus and Eitrigg

German Realms
  • (PvP) Blutkessel and Arthas/Vek’lor

US Connected Realms Update 1/23
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
As previously announced, we’ve been working toward connecting realms to increase the number of players on low-population realms, and since then have completed several connections. As a part of our ongoing communication, we wanted to provide you with an update that contains a list of completed realm connections, currently planned connections, and any additional future plans in one convenient location.

*Please note this list does not encompass all potential future connections. Please check back for further updates.

Future Connections
We will be connecting the realms listed below on Thursday, January 30th during a scheduled maintenance beginning at 5 a.m. PST through approximately 1:00 p.m. PST. Once maintenance is finished, these realm connections will be complete.

  • Alleria and Khadgar
  • Anvilmar and Undermine
  • Archimonde and Agamaggan/Jaedenar/The Underbog
  • Cho'gall and Auchindoun/Laughing Skull
  • Eitrigg and Shu'halo
  • Mok'Nathal and Silvermoon

We will be connecting the realms listed below on Thursday, February 6th during a scheduled maintenance beginning at 5 a.m. PST through approximately 1:00 p.m. PST. Once maintenance is finished, these realm connections will be complete.

  • Hydraxis and Terenas
  • Kirin Tor and Steamwheedle Cartel
  • Shattered Halls and Executus/ Kalecgos
  • Thunderlord and Azgalor/Azshara/Destromath
  • Uther and Runetotem

We do not have a date for the following realm connections, but will update this post when we do.

  • Alterac Mountains and Balnazzar/Gorgonash/The Forgotten Coast/ Warsong
  • Azjol-Nerub and Khaz Modan
  • Eldre’Thalas and Korialstrasz
  • Farstriders and Silverhand
  • Spinebreaker and Wildhammer

*Plans for these connections may change at any time, but we’ll provide additional updates on specific dates for future connections here as we can. Please note that as a part of the connection process realm times may change to match each other.

Blizzard Art Update
Blizzard has added more pieces to the World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria Art gallery.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Human Female Model Feedback, Season 15 PvP gear, Blue Posts, Connected Realms, Art started by chaud View original post
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  1. ichinisan's Avatar
    guys, guys, guys. Where the hell is the ass shot?
  1. mmoc910c888bcd's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ichinisan View Post
    guys, guys, guys. Where the hell is the ass shot?
    haha idd good sir
  1. Unholyground's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aesahaettr View Post
    I really hope that's an option, kinda worried about how well my computer will perform. And yeah, some smart arse might comment about progress marching on and ask "why don't I upgrade", but as my disposable income is rather slender I can't justify buying a new system to continue playing 1 game. And as I've been playing WoW for 8 years, it'd be a shame to have to quit over something that could theoretically be an optional visual upgrade.
    Do the Pandaren hurt your performance, or the new Garrosh model? if not then your gonna be just fine, they will tune it to work I don't think you will have to worry too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ickabob View Post
    I don't care what the haters think. They did an awesome job with the new female human model, considering how old the game engine is.

    Looking forward to the rest!
    Ya I mean that is what a average active female would look like in most cases, your moving around a huge ass world fighting things 10 times your size I am sure everyone would have abs lol.
  1. Dalkzul's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GoldNSilence View Post
    Stay true to the path, Blizzard. Don't stray due to pressure from social justice warriors who are just a very loud and obnoxious minority.
    I agree 100%
  1. mmoc910c888bcd's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post

    Ya I mean that is what a average active female would look like in most cases, your moving around a huge ass world fighting things 10 times your size I am sure everyone would have abs lol.
    yeah , its not like running around and fighting would get u toned at all
  1. Zadoc's Avatar
    TL;DR: Some 1980 TV SCi-Fi, with a super-b*tch baddy, the supreme empress of the Federation, called Servalan. This is her. Compare to one of the screenshots of the new high poly human models:

    I'm sure many WoW players will be aware of the UK TV series Dr Who. Well, back in the late 1970s/early 1980s, around the time Dr Who was at its peak, there was another more adult oriented sci-fi series on the BBC called Blakes 7. (That's adult as in complicated gritty plots etc, not nudity and profanity - it was shown on BBC1 in the early evening) The sets were just as wobbly and low-budget as Dr Who back then, but it had some great writing, and it was great TV. The baddy, for once, was a female. Far FAR more charismatic and sexy than the good guys, she specialised in androgynous haircuts and running the federation whilst wearing faaaaabulous ballgowns. Check Youtube, there's plenty of clips of her.

    Anyway. This is Servalan. Or possibly Servalan as a younger woman. Or her daughter, or something.

    Check YouTube though, she looks even more like the model than the one in the photo.

    I should say - I'm not complaining! I just need a realm where Servalan isn't taken as a name.
  1. Beet's Avatar
    Man I can't help but laugh at this thread. Seriously I can't believe so many people think it's perfectly fine to keep graphics to a minimum rather than asking a few people to upgrade their computers from a decade ago. And no you don't need a computer that costs thousands of dollars to run WoW. You can build one right now for a couple hundred dollars and it will run WoW 10x better than your crappy PC from 2007. But I guess that's just such an unrealistic thing to expect. I mean people have no problem buying their star pony mounts from the store and are begging to be able to buy instant 90s, but expecting someone to upgrade their rig once every 10 years? UNTHINKABLE!
  1. tawoko's Avatar
    If youre concerned about new models crashing your PC, how the hell do you do any end game as it is?
  1. JoeShmo's Avatar
    Im curious how a 20 year old looking female turns into a middle aged "I drink to make the kids go away" looking female.

    Also....the hair. Why does the hair look so horrible?

    The gnomes are a natural upgrade from the original version.
    The undead is a natural upgrade from the original version.
    The still a peon.
    The dwarves are a natural upgrade from the original version.
    The human....apparently got bishslaped by mother nature and aged 20 years by heavy drinking (probably from pvp) .

    This is like wanting your 2004 pixels to look like Lindsey Lohan.......only you picked the current coked out version rather than the one that did Herbie.
  1. Treeh's Avatar
    Nice model
  1. mmoc3c02903358's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarch the Conqueror View Post
    Something must be wrong with his computer then. I run at 100 FPS even in 100 man combat raids in Second Life.

    And the 'updated' WoW human model looks like absolute tripe and shite in comparison with what is possible in Second Life, where the engine allows you to build your own environments, housing, clothing, and combat rules.
    You still don't get it. You're ignorant and all you wanna do is moan about graphics... Go play Crysis or something then.

    If they could upgrade them more, they most likely would.

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