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Originally Posted by Khalkaroth

My drake has wings. Why can't he use them?

Lightning.

Why is my Ashes of A'lar already flapping his wings when he's on the ground, but can't seem to produce air to take flight?

Lightning. Lightning did it, trust me.

This "unexpansion" is making a joke out of this game.

Your feels....they're just so RAW!!! Grow up, your flying mounts walking will stop 80% of the ERHMERGERD I CANT FLY!!!!!11!!one!!

Now people can finally stfu and just enjoy next expansion like they're supposed to.

Bashiok was getting salty lol

I hate flying honestly. If it was my decision I would get rid of flying period. Flying takes away the feeling of exploring a world (same as if you're flying on an airplane and skipping all the states, cities or towns in between you and your destination).

Mumper's comparison is rather misleading. In The Burning Crusade, you learned flying at level 70. In Wrath of the Lich King you were able to learn flight at level 77 (which was necessary for the 77-80 zones). But for Warlords of Draenor, instead of being bound strictly by a level requirement we'll also be restricted by patch.

I think that's an important distinction to keep in mind.

Originally Posted by ProfessorTjc

I hate flying honestly. If it was my decision I would get rid of flying period. Flying takes away the feeling of exploring a world (same as if you're flying on an airplane and skipping all the states, cities or towns in between you and your destination).

You prefer to explore by ground, but I enjoy being able to explore by flying (especially for nice views). What's to stop you from just whipping out your ground mount and taking the scenic route?

Originally Posted by ProfessorTjc

I hate flying honestly. If it was my decision I would get rid of flying period. Flying takes away the feeling of exploring a world (same as if you're flying on an airplane and skipping all the states, cities or towns in between you and your destination).

and the alternative to it aka siting all day long in main city of expansion feel so damn frikin epic :/ all those ways to show off the no lifer purples to the poor "baduals" so frikin epic :/

u are all swalloing this like young peilikans when in relaity this is a way for blizzard to save funds cause now they have to worry about only 2 dimenions and can take care o the 3rd one later

I wonder how many raid tiers this will cost.

I honestly cant see myself playing if flight is disabled in Draenor for good. Not going to just tableflip and not play WoD at all, ill give it a go and see how it plays out - i may even find myself eating my own words if it feels like im not restricted from exploration in the zone and stuff! But going from past experiences, like TBC days of having no flight through levelling and then having flight, i found it annoying to go back to having no flight come wrath/alts to tell the truth. Pandaria has a flow to its zones, and it felt unrestricted for the most part. But i still felt there was a LOT more to rediscover when flight time came, and admittely i was hoping the same sort of feeling for Draenor. After flight came, my patience for ground mounts went out the window - ill admit to that, i became 'a spoilt child' as ive seen people dub others on here, but in essence they are pretty much giving us candy and then taking it away for no valid reason (that i can see at least).

The way it seems to me is that they wanna sacrafice the time and money it would take to make the world fully accessible, by taking the easy method of stopping flight. That is how i view it, and i know many probably disagree with it. Reading the blue posts, the only thing that keeps coming to mind is that the world wont be developed enough to benefit flight. But does this not scream to anybody else about a 'flat' world (for lack of a better term)? Only see what they want you to see instead of being able to freely explore the nooks, crannies and mountaintops for yourself. Im fond of flying to the highest mountaintop in the Vale and doing all my guild stuff or crafting or sorting my banks out, transmogs, waiting for dungeons and raids to pop - or flying out to the random peaks in the Jade Forest for the same stuff.

Again thats just my two cents, sorry if you disagree but each is entitled to their own opinions Heres to hoping that enough people are like minded about keeping flight in the game and it is brought back in an early Draenor patch!

(Mumper) As we have said, we are going to disallow flying at launch (like Wrath and Pandaria) and we will play it by ear from there out.

That... is a very misleading comparison. There is a huge difference between not being able to fly until a certain level versus not being able to fly until the devs push out a patch. One restriction is entirely based upon the effort the player puts into his or her character, the other restriction takes the control out of the player's hands entirely.

Originally Posted by ProfessorTjc

I hate flying honestly. If it was my decision I would get rid of flying period. Flying takes away the feeling of exploring a world (same as if you're flying on an airplane and skipping all the states, cities or towns in between you and your destination).

Flying adds a feeling of exploration. I often stop to take closer looks at something that piques my interest, or to admire the vista in front of me. I can understand your point of view - flying does mess with a feeling of scale, especially in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms because they weren't originally designed for it - but I'm not going to use a ground mount to run to places. I'm going to use flightpoints and get up from the computer to do something else. And, come to think of it, adding flying to classic Azeroth meant that several places became much more fleshed out. Ruins of Lordaeron are particularly fascinating for me, for example.

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To various people commenting on the 'idiocy' or 'b*tching' over the Battle.net app which will be replacing all game launchers:

I am one of those objecting to it. I am not an idiot, I'm not trolling, I am not a technophobe, and I'm not stuck in the 90's or 00's (I am far too married to fast internet and have no desire for dial-up or broadband). I just don't need the software and resent that it will be shoved down my throat in the future. Maybe if the consolidated launcher had out-of-game chat and maybe if it allowed an "invisible" mode, then I might want it. (Please, no comments about being "invisible", that is a separate conversation.)

The only time I see the launcher for WoW - and ever want to see any launcher - is when there is an update to download. Otherwise, straight to the log-in screen, type in my password (I have my account set to only need the auth code every once in a while), and I'm sitting pretty at the character select screen. I am happy like this.

I understand that the 'unified launcher' has several features that many are pleased to have. That's cool. Blizzard wants to consolidate all the different launchers into one launcher for, at the very least, to eliminate or reduce extra/duplicative work. That's cool. My objection is that I, personally, don't need it and don't want it running every time. The only time I ever 'need' to see a launcher is when it's downloading an update. I don't care to see the marketing and I get all the info I need pretty much from MMO-Champion alone. :\

I don't know if it's changed since last I tried out Battle.net App some number of months ago, but I have the distinct recollection that I could not directly open from the game executable even though I was 100% up-to-date. This really, really made me displeased - so I uninstalled it despite kind of liking what I saw in the Hearthstone beta.

I just do not need another layer, another program that I have open and then manually close so it isn't running in the background. Does this mean I may have to spend time waiting to play because it wasn't downloading something in the background? Maybe. But it won't bother me. I have this pretty wallpaper to contemplate.

I find it shady that they refuse to disclose the specific flying plans, although they are already selling the expansion. When is 6.1? What if people spend money on the expansion, then Blizz says "yo, we're getting rid of that yo, thanks for the money foo".

Although I don't agree with removal for leveling purposes, I get it. Removing it from all future wow seems lackluster.

Cata worked. They only gave 5 levels of material, then wondered why people got through it so fast.

Originally Posted by ProfessorTjc

I hate flying honestly. If it was my decision I would get rid of flying period. Flying takes away the feeling of exploring a world (same as if you're flying on an airplane and skipping all the states, cities or towns in between you and your destination).

So you would get rid of flight paths as well?

Originally Posted by Incitatus

I find it shady that they refuse to disclose the specific flying plans, although they are already selling the expansion. When is 6.1? What if people spend money on the expansion, then Blizz says "yo, we're getting rid of that yo, thanks for the money foo".

Although I don't agree with removal for leveling purposes, I get it. Removing it from all future wow seems lackluster.

Cata worked. They only gave 5 levels of material, then wondered why people got through it so fast.

They clearly do not want flying in WoD or they wouldn't have bothered with this "We want to delay putting it in the game." They know that saying something up front would be a disaster so they're hoping people will buy the expansion and commit to WoD before they go "This is working out well with no flying; it's going to stay this way."

I'm less offended by the lack of flying but I am offended by the way they're handling this. Mark my words; they won't confirm or deny their WoD flight plans until after the expansion has already launched on live servers and players are already invested in the expansion because they're afraid of the backlash that comes with them being honest.

Originally Posted by Aliok

That... is a very misleading comparison. There is a huge difference between not being able to fly until a certain level versus not being able to fly until the devs push out a patch. One restriction is entirely based upon the effort the player puts into his or her character, the other restriction takes the control out of the player's hands entirely.



Flying adds a feeling of exploration. I often stop to take closer looks at something that piques my interest, or to admire the vista in front of me. I can understand your point of view - flying does mess with a feeling of scale, especially in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms because they weren't originally designed for it - but I'm not going to use a ground mount to run to places. I'm going to use flightpoints and get up from the computer to do something else. And, come to think of it, adding flying to classic Azeroth meant that several places became much more fleshed out. Ruins of Lordaeron are particularly fascinating for me, for example.

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To various people commenting on the 'idiocy' or 'b*tching' over the Battle.net app which will be replacing all game launchers:

I am one of those objecting to it. I am not an idiot, I'm not trolling, I am not a technophobe, and I'm not stuck in the 90's or 00's (I am far too married to fast internet and have no desire for dial-up or broadband). I just don't need the software and resent that it will be shoved down my throat in the future. Maybe if the consolidated launcher had out-of-game chat and maybe if it allowed an "invisible" mode, then I might want it. (Please, no comments about being "invisible", that is a separate conversation.)

The only time I see the launcher for WoW - and ever want to see any launcher - is when there is an update to download. Otherwise, straight to the log-in screen, type in my password (I have my account set to only need the auth code every once in a while), and I'm sitting pretty at the character select screen. I am happy like this.

I understand that the 'unified launcher' has several features that many are pleased to have. That's cool. Blizzard wants to consolidate all the different launchers into one launcher for, at the very least, to eliminate or reduce extra/duplicative work. That's cool. My objection is that I, personally, don't need it and don't want it running every time. The only time I ever 'need' to see a launcher is when it's downloading an update. I don't care to see the marketing and I get all the info I need pretty much from MMO-Champion alone. :\

I don't know if it's changed since last I tried out Battle.net App some number of months ago, but I have the distinct recollection that I could not directly open from the game executable even though I was 100% up-to-date. This really, really made me displeased - so I uninstalled it despite kind of liking what I saw in the Hearthstone beta.

I just do not need another layer, another program that I have open and then manually close so it isn't running in the background. Does this mean I may have to spend time waiting to play because it wasn't downloading something in the background? Maybe. But it won't bother me. I have this pretty wallpaper to contemplate.

I agree they need to not open the launcher at all when you right click the tray icon to launch a game and when you actually launch a game the launcher needs to close by itself. I'd think this would be something they'd change before forcing it on everyone.

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Originally Posted by PuppetShowJustice

They clearly do not want flying in WoD or they wouldn't have bothered with this "We want to delay putting it in the game." They know that saying something up front would be a disaster so they're hoping people will buy the expansion and commit to WoD before they go "This is working out well with no flying; it's going to stay this way."

I'm less offended by the lack of flying but I am offended by the way they're handling this. Mark my words; they won't confirm or deny their WoD flight plans until after the expansion has already launched on live servers and players are already invested in the expansion because they're afraid of the backlash that comes with them being honest.

No you'll see how flight works in the beta. So why spoil anything now?

You know if they increased ground mount speed by 50% %100 more (only in pve not pvp), then people would be okay with change and heck it be a lot more fun going at high speeds in the ground.

How about if you don't want to fly at max level... don't. Just like in every other expansion. No need to force everyone else to do it your way.

Originally Posted by missamy

All Mounts Work as Ground Mounts

Well that is just a stupid idea!
Ashes of al'ar has no legs!!

Dude, it's just going to hover along the ground like if you were riding it on the ground or if you were riding Heart of the Aspects

I really dont like like the "play it by ear" comments from the interviews, it makes it seem like they are deciding whether or not they can get away with taking it away all together, rather than how long they wont let you do it. There is no reason to remove flying, its one of the greatest additions to this game, not being able to fly until max level in a new expansion is nothing new and is completely fine, cata was the only exception because hello, most of the content took place in old azeroth, not new areas. I could never imagine a reason why I would leave this game but if they for some odd reason they decided to remove flying all together (and I mean ALL flying, old world etc) then they'd lose me too along with half of their subscribers left.

And for those of you saying you hate flying and wish it was removed, first of all, why the hell do you hate it? Are you one of those people who sits there reporting names like Healbot on RP servers because it breaks you out of the immersion? If you dont like flying, DONT FLY, if you dont like flying because people gank you, DONT ROLL PVP, don't wish the misfortune of it not even being a choice on everybody because you have your own opinions.

I like this change because now players who earned gladiator mount from arena, can actually use that mount in arena

I'd be more ok with no flying in current content if they found some other way to pretend we weren't all virtual levels 1s again. Being able to fly in Cata let you continue to feel like the badass who killed the Lich King, etc. Then going to MoP... welcome level 1, not even fit to plant a garden yet. Great.

Who knows? Maybe garrisons will do it.

It should be a blast seeing people on huge dragons with wings running around on the ground. Doesn't break the immersion of the game at all.

Ok, now they need to make questgivers take up space in the world (as in no douche with his giant mount can stand on it) and ill be all for this decision.