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Battle.Net Launcher Update - Warcraft III
A recent update to the Battle.Net launcher added a background and icons for Warcraft III, just like the ones that currently exist for other games. No support for the game was added to the launcher yet, but keep in mind that at Blizzcon 2013 it was mentioned that people were working on a side project to update the old Warcraft games to run on modern versions of Windows.

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Warlords of Draenor - Upcoming Beta Build
Another beta build is on the way! Check back later for notes.
Originally Posted by Zorbrix (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
The Beta realms will be shutting down for maintenance in a few minutes in order to deploy a new build. I'll be updating this thread with information and time estimates as I receive them. I don't have an ETA yet, but these pushes usually take at least 8 hours, if not more.

No character wipe is planned today.

Warlords of Draenor - Bonus Rolls
Today we are taking a look at some of the ways to earn bonus rolls in Warlords of Draenor.

With Patch 6.0.2 only a couple weeks away, don't forget to start collecting some Lesser Charms for item upgrades or uncapped turn ins for Siege of Orgrimmar bonus rolls if you still need them. You can find other Patch 6.0 reminders in our previous post.

We looked at the first way recently with the Bunker / War Mill perk that grants you a free bonus roll every week, but there are a few other ways to earn rolls.

The second method of earning bonus rolls is the two rare garrison missions that reward them. Keep in mind these are Rare missions, so you won't see them constantly. Rukhmar and Drov the Ruiner both reward one Seal of Tempered Fate.

The third method to earn bonus rolls are turn in quests. The second and third time you use a certain method in a week it will cost double of what it did the last time.

  • Apexis Crystal (1000 / 2000 / 4000) - Players can earn at 1000 per day through a type of daily quest in your garrison, another 1000 from an Ashran daily quest, along with some from work orders and other sources. These are also used to purchase armor that is upgradeable to item level 655, which is the same as Normal level raid loot.

  • Gold (500 / 1000 / 2000) - Keep in mind that gold is somewhat easier to earn in Warlords of Draenor, as it is taking the role of Valor.

  • Garrison Resources (300 / 600 / 1200) - There are many sources of Garrison Resources. Your garrison gives you some every day, missions can reward some, the Lumber Mill can provide some, and there are many other sources. After your buildings are built and upgraded, you may have spare Garrison Resources that can be used for these quests or converted into Trade Goods.

  • Honor Points (500 / 1000 / 2000) - Along with all of the old sources of Honor, Ashran and other PvP activities provide several new opportunities to earn Honor.

Treasure Room Achievement Becoming a Feat of Strength
You can find this change, along with others in our Patch 6.0 Reminders post.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
In WoW Patch 6.0.2, we will be retiring the Achievement In The Hall Of The Thunder King, as the treasure room will no longer be accessible. That achievement will become a Feat of Strength, and Elder Charm of Good Fortune will drop in place of the key to the room.

can I ask why its being removed? I loved going through there on different toons! Just depressing seeing more things removed
the gold generation is really high once you can one-shot all the creatures inside
There's hardly crazy amounts of gold to be had there, though. Especially if gold is the "new Valor points" in Warlords
over 500 gold reliably once a week for minimal effort is significant
But it's been that way for nearly two years - why does it matter now?
at 100 the NPCs that do all the trappings are very easily killed, negating a lot of the challenge, esp in the last room (Source)
notice could have been better though. i stopped farming keys on notion they weren’t going anywhere.
there is no reward exclusive to the treasure room unlike CMs or PVP seasons. (Source)
Will the achievement be removed from the Isle of Thunder Meta?
yep, the treasure room achievements will go legacy & removed from meta. (Source)
Where will we get Elder Charms from then? The treasure run is the only source.
we'll add a conversion elsewhere.
Will the IoT vendors still sell items that help you in the treasure run?
yes, only the key drops are being removed. if you have find a key on an alt in 6 months you can still do the treasure room. (Source)
However could we possibly as a suggestion see another version in a future patch maybe?
we would really love to do another one (Source)

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
Monk (Forums / Skills / WoD Talent Calculator)
is the T17 WW 4-piece's Forceful Wind additive or multiplicative? 10 stacks = 30% + 10% (40%) or 30% * 1.1 (33%)
Mult. We buffed it a bit recently, to 3%/stack. (Celestalon)

PvE
WoD World bosses, spawn time = current mop or mop launch? Rukhmar drops mount, would hate Mop-launch Galleon times
More like Sha of Anger. No plans on doing the Galleon/Oondasta-style respawn in the near future. (WatcherDev)

CM Titles permanent in WoD? Seems best Gold time is a feat whether the first, or 3 tiers later. Or, 1 for current, 1 permanent?
No permanent title for best time in Warlords; if you want to keep the title, defend it. (WatcherDev)

Are 30-player normal/heroic raids still planned for WoD?
Siege of Orgrimmar and all Warlords raids support raid sizes up to 30 on Normal/Heroic in 6.0, yes. (WatcherDev)

100% looms in 6.0 is it per toon or player? If i have normal bow now if i do mythic in 6.0 will it be 100%?
Per character, per difficulty, so yes. (WatcherDev)

PvP
Can we get some spec balance with queueing 3v3 skirmishes? Im tired of getting my dps getting paired with 2 more, into a healer/dps
Just a matter of who's queuing (I.e. not enough healers). Alternative is DPS always have to wait. Prefer skirmishes be very fast. (holinka)

Curious, how viable would it be to gear for PvP entirely through Ashran?
For honor, probably comparable time to bgs. For conquest, possible but slow when compared to arenas/RBGs. (holinka)

Did you look into this? Any update?
I believe a 15-19 bracket is setup on beta/PTR. (holinka)

Garrisons
You know, those healer and tank dummies that are in Shattarah on beta would be very nice in the garrison.
I thought the sparring arena had a healer/tank one, that incorrect? (Muffinus)

Hi, i would like to know if you have the profession from the garrison building, you can have more than 1 daily cooldown.
The building has its own c/d, and you have your personal one, so you get both! (Muffinus)

Since lvl 1 Dwarven Bunker doubles chance of quest rewards to rare / epic. Does it also affect followers gained from quests?
It does not, they're not really considered an item, we'll take a look at adding this at some point (Muffinus)

Meaning say without Barracks you can have a max 7 missions to do, and scouting would make it 8 total at one point. Or stay 7?
Looks like they are indeed in their own pools (Muffinus)
This article was originally published in forum thread: Battle.Net Launcher - Warcraft III, Beta Build, Warlords Bonus Rolls, Treasure Room started by chaud View original post
Published on 2014-10-02 02:53 AM
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  1. Rivin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    Does this mean we will need to do the Ashran daily in order to get the maximum amount of Apexis Crystals per day, which is needed for PvE gear?

    And how does that exactly work with bonus rolls, there are four different currencies, but I can only get three bonus rolls per week?
    No, the Ashran daily is just one source of Apexis Crystals. There are garrison quests that reward them, and most level 100+ enemies drop them.

    And yes, you can only obtain three seals per week. You just get to choose how you obtain them.
  1. Torpedoes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Smith View Post
    Could they not have announced this any earlier? I've only got like three keys, there's no way I'm gonna be able to finish this achievement in time.
    Honestly people, what have you been doing for the past two years? Doing laps around IF?
  1. mmocedbf46d113's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rivin View Post
    No, the Ashran daily is just one source of Apexis Crystals. There are garrison quests that reward them, and most level 100+ enemies drop them.

    And yes, you can only obtain three seals per week. You just get to choose how you obtain them.
    So there is no daily limit on them?

    How many drop from a level 100+ enemy?
  1. Chickat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreyen View Post
    Haha, been thinking about Wc3 lately and how great it would be to get wc4... If only they can fix the searchtimes they'll have me sold back into playing it!

    I am sad however at the removal of troves, and none of the blizzard replies says anything about lowering the gold you can make and not removing the scenario... I'm also already 1shotting mobs there.
    I agree, they should have just reduced the gold by something like 7% per level above 90.

    90-100% gold
    91- 93% gold
    92- 86% gold
    93- 79% gold
    100- 30% gold.
  1. Alayea's Avatar
    Blizzard sure is batting a thousand. /sarcasm
  1. CheeseSandwich's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    I agree, they should have just reduced the gold by something like 7% per level above 90.

    90-100% gold
    91- 93% gold
    92- 86% gold
    93- 79% gold
    100- 30% gold.
    Or just made the keys unusable or not droppable to the player past lvl 90
  1. Mr. Smith's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Torpedoes View Post
    Honestly people, what have you been doing for the past two years? Doing laps around IF?
    I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, I was busy doing work on all of the other feature-removals that Blizzard actually bothered to give reasonable warnings for. The 5.3 content, farming the ludicrous amounts of gold to buy H Garrosh and CM carries, doing Brawler's Guild, etc.
  1. Chickat's Avatar
    Wait, so you can do the Garrison daily plus an Ashran daily for a total of around 2k crystals a day, or is the Ashran daily just a garrison daily that you sometimes get and you actually get around 1000 per day?

    Thats like an average of 1 655 piece per month. Incredibly slow. 1 every 2 weeks would be better. Either reduce the costs in half, or double cyrstals gained.

    If its 2k per day then seems about right.
  1. mmocedbf46d113's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Wait, so you can do the Garrison daily plus an Ashran daily for a total of around 2k crystals a day.
    That's how I took it, but I don't know if there's gonna be a daily cap on them or if you can grind level 100 mobs all day.
  1. Rivin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Wait, so you can do the Garrison daily plus an Ashran daily for a total of around 2k crystals a day, or is the Ashran daily just a garrison daily that you sometimes get and you actually get around 1000 per day?

    Thats like an average of 1 655 piece per month. Incredibly slow. 1 every 2 weeks would be better. Either reduce the costs in half, or double cyrstals gained.

    If its 2k per day then seems about right.
    From what I've read, you get two random dailies in your garrison, which you can pick one of to do. Normal ones reward 800 crystals, group ones reward 1000, and the Ashran one rewards 1000. So you can either get 800 or 1000 per day depending on which random quests you're assigned.
  1. Chickat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rivin View Post
    From what I've read, you get two random dailies in your garrison, which you can pick one of to do. Normal ones reward 800 crystals, group ones reward 1000, and the Ashran one rewards 1000. So you can either get 800 or 1000 per day depending on which random quests you're assigned.
    That sucks. Wish you could do either, but I guess it makes sense. Pve heroes would complain they are forced to do pvp if it was both. 30-40 days for a 655 piece is unacceptable. 670 would be reasonable for over a month. They will end up nerfing that after they lose 500k subs in a quarter.
  1. Apexis's Avatar
    There's hardly crazy amounts of gold to be had there, though. Especially if gold is the "new Valor points" in Warlords
    over 500 gold reliably once a week for minimal effort is significant


    Seriously, I can make 500g just doing dailies and they are worried about one weekly run through the troves. Hell can sell one item of the AH or got to the lower levels zones and more than 500g from archaeology. There has to be more than making 500 measly gold for them to remove this feature. It is hardly on the level of the CM's. I can't say I have had a need to go on there since I do not no longer need the coins that drop from there and since lesser charms drop like flies on TI, not really need to go in there to farm those. I was going to get around to trying to finish it to get the achievement, but I got to much other stuff I am trying to clean up that I always save to do at the end of the expansion to past the time away. This was not something that was high on the priority list of thing to get done, oh well live and learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    That sucks. Wish you could do either, but I guess it makes sense. Pve heroes would complain they are forced to do pvp if it was both. 30-40 days for a 655 piece is unacceptable. 670 would be reasonable for over a month. They will end up nerfing that after they lose 500k subs in a quarter.
    There are a lot more hidden gems they are not talking about and it will be interesting to see and read the reactions of many. I think they are going to find they went way to far with all this gating crap this time around. The MoP dailies pale in comparison to what this garrison and few other places have in store for many. The overwhelming amount of mats that are required to make something through the profession and the garrison profession. The endless amount of farming that is going to be required and not enough resource for enough people to actually farm at a decent rate. Some people are just going to tell Blizzard to pack it after what they had to deal with doing all the dailies in MoP.

    They were right they did not put a lot of dailies in WoD, but they replaced those with as much garbage as possible to slow the rate of progression through the content as much as possible. I enjoy playing this game, but I am seriously getting tired of all this unnecessary gating they seem to want to do. It just drag out the slow drip part to really not make it that fun to play. I realize it was much worse back in the day, but we left that part of the game behind along time ago and now it seems we have traded dailies for even more crappy was to gating progressing through the content.

    I think they are going to need to have a massive lose of people to really change their ways, unless they are happy with loosing people so they don't have to create as much content in the future. Not sure why they still make expansions, this actually feels more like a fare size content patch more than it does and expansion for all the unnecessary garbage they put in it.

    The closer they get to launch and the more that continues to not still be fixed in beta, just screams a lot of bugs at launch. I pre-ordered, but now I am wondering after all these years, if I really want to bother wasting more of my life playing the endless time sink game. For as nice as the surface of the content is, the underbelly is just so displeasing and very depressing that they found a worse way than dailies to come up with to further limit ones ability to go through the content without having to jump through endless hoops.
  1. Kazuchika's Avatar
    Removing the treasure scenario is horseshit. This is why this expansion has taken so long to get out the door wasting time removing shit like this.

    It is absolutely astounding how badly these devs try and defend their design decisions. "It becomes trivial at lvl 100" Give me a break. When lvl 100 would have made me spawn 500 golden chests in the first room let me know and until then you're full of shit.
  1. BetrayedOf52's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kektonic View Post
    Removing the treasure scenario is horseshit. This is why this expansion has taken so long to get out the door wasting time removing shit like this.

    It is absolutely astounding how badly these devs try and defend their design decisions. "It becomes trivial at lvl 100" Give me a break. When lvl 100 would have made me spawn 500 golden chests in the first room let me know and until then you're full of shit.
    LoL, what on earth is everyone so upset about.. it's not even fun / important / useful. Who cares. It also does not take a lot time to remove it. They just stop droprate on keys. If you keep your keys you can still run it. So either farm a bunch of keys now and be ready or get over it.
  1. TheWindWalker's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by BetrayedOf52 View Post
    LoL, what on earth is everyone so upset about.. it's not even fun / important / useful. Who cares. It also does not take a lot time to remove it. They just stop droprate on keys. If you keep your keys you can still run it. So either farm a bunch of keys now and be ready or get over it.
    Because a lot of people thought it was fun. As far as I know there's nothing else in the game with that kind of "Mission Impossible/Rogue Time Trials" theme going on and now there may never be again.

    This is almost literally the same as removing the Hour of Twilight dungeons.
  1. BetrayedOf52's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by TheWindWalker View Post
    Because a lot of people thought it was fun. As far as I know there's nothing else in the game with that kind of "Mission Impossible/Rogue Time Trials" theme going on and now there may never be again.

    This is almost literally the same as removing the Hour of Twilight dungeons.
    Really? There is 2 guides out that show you how to get every chest and kill the bosses needed. You just need the items off the vendor which are super easy to buy. After 2 years you don't think it gets old? I'm 100% confident people left it to the last minute and are crying now. Or they have done it when it was relevant when you're suppose to and don't care anymore.

    The rewards will be borderline useless, the gold reward is low. there is no strategy to it anymore, and it would feel dated. Don't even try to tell me with everything in WoD people would go back and do weekly chest runs. That's just not happening.
  1. Tenjen's Avatar
    updating Wc3 for new systems and windows!

    Very welcome. my own laptop has been having compatibility issues with the color gradients and graphical calculations for Wc3
  1. Janysa's Avatar
    my 12 years old wc3 cd key?! ..... you must be trolling ....
  1. Escepticus's Avatar
    I'm waiting for the special announcement at Blizzcon 2014: "To celebrate 20 years of Warcraft, here you are, "Warcraft Golden", the revamped 3 games plus expansions in one package!"

    (ok, ok, let me dream!)
  1. bison91's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hollowness View Post
    Gold for Bonus Roll... such a troll way to get gold... just giving more value to gold sell by chinesse sites xD
    you can forget about wc4 til 2018 atleast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradabio View Post
    I'm waiting for the special announcement at Blizzcon 2014: "To celebrate 20 years of Warcraft, here you are, "Warcraft Golden", the revamped 3 games plus expansions in one package!"

    (ok, ok, let me dream!)
    yeah right...celebrate....they could celebrate that on wc3 10 years universary
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