Hotfixes for December 5th, No Flying Poll, DLC #467

Originally Posted by Elmillia

Flying can't really save Warlords of Draenor, as it's just a bad storyline that has no holding factor. I think I'll stay at level 91 and level up in the next expansion.

Really? I've heard the opposite from everyone. In fact, this is the best storyline for an expac since WotLK. Cata was a mess and don't get me started on Pandaria. No one gave a shit about helping some elitist panda people with their moogoo problems. Lei Shen may have been a cool encounter, but no one talks about how epic it was to finally down the moogoo king because no one cares. This is Warcraft at it's finest. Orcs v Humans v Demons. I'm loving it.

But in regards to no flying? I am SHOCKED that Blizzard has said they have no plans to add flying in 6.1. I really am. I thought they would cave for sure. This is a polarizing topic, but it seems most people do enjoy not having flying in. I personally couldn't have given a shit at first if it was in or not, but after playing without it I'm pretty happy. I feel like the world is alive again. I see people. I see people dying constantly to bad terrain moves in Shattrath or The Pit. The danger is real again. Can't just fly from one part to the other ignoring the world below you. Blizz can let people fly in Draenor when the next expansion is out.

What they should have done was allow us to unlock flying on a zone by zone basis. When we get the achieve for a zone storyline we are granted the ability to fly in that zone.

Then Blizz can continue to design quests the way they want and we still get to fly without making quests so stupidly pointless.

Ask this question months in to the expansion where people have done almost everything.

What a completely pointless poll. People without subscriptions vote so it isn't representative of the player base, and you can vote more than once.

Originally Posted by Mule

What a completely pointless poll. People without subscriptions vote so it isn't representative of the player base, and you can vote more than once.

Just like a few ppl can make threads and make it seem alotbare complaining

Originally Posted by Dracbane

IMO tie flying into the legendary ring quest. When you get the ring at the end of the xpac your mounts are able to fly

SO long as it was account wide, I would approve this idea.

Originally Posted by stomination

Just like a few ppl can make threads and make it seem alotbare complaining

I'm not going to disagree - but there's currently just about as many anti-flight threads created opening with insults than there are pro-flight threads at the moment.

Anyway, it looks like they fixed the poll so you can only vote once per IP, but the current votes should really be reset too.

Not a great poll question. Of course people don't mind not flying while questing. That's how it's always been (except Cata). However, there is no reason to not have it at 100. No legitimate reason, anyway.

So all Blizzard should do is force players to get the 'Loremaster of Draenor' achievement...meaning they have to do all the quests first, and then you can get flying in Draenor. Very simple and effective. That would get me to resub and buy the expansion.

Originally Posted by Mule

What a completely pointless poll. People without subscriptions vote so it isn't representative of the player base, and you can vote more than once.

Actually, a poll here is much more accurate than one on the official WoW forums. For the very reason you mentioned: there only people with active subs can vote. So obviously anyone (like me) not playing because there's no flying can't vote. However, the poll question is flawed anyway...for reason above.

I am actually enjoying the xpac without flying right now. If the fp's are given more direct flights (which is apparently on the agenda for 6.1), I may enjoy it further still.

Having said the above, I will say that Aviana's Feather has made my enjoyment of this xpac much better. Without it, I probably wouldn't be half as pleased with everything. Popping that and getting from the fp at the top of a spire in Shattrath to the questing areas below is a prime example of why I still think flying should be included at some point. You cover more ground, which means it's easier to clear long distances (the fp between the garrison and Spires of Arak is brutal if you're counting minutes). Also, seeing the landscape from the air is a joy all its own. All it does is give a new perspective from which to take in the terrain and architecture of this xpac.

I was fairly open to the idea of no-flying but now things have settled down and things are routine I do miss it.

The story is pretty boring too, you could write the synopsis on the back of a beer mat. Maybe there will be some twists but so far it's just dull. The cut scenes just seem unbelievably cheesy.

"oh boy, I sure love having features taken away from me!"

this is what I read when I see people voting yes. or people who are indifferent cause they just /afk in their garrison 24/7.

Originally Posted by Moradim

"oh boy, I sure love having features taken away from me!"

this is what I read when I see people voting yes. or people who are indifferent cause they just /afk in their garrison 24/7.

So basically you see what you want to see. And that is why you'll never be able to usefully or constructively add anything to a debate, ever.

Originally Posted by Moradim

"oh boy, I sure love having features taken away from me!"

this is what I read when I see people voting yes. or people who are indifferent cause they just /afk in their garrison 24/7.

Some of us always saw flying as a mistake. We just didn't cry and rage quit like children. The way I see it if flying or not flying is enough for you to not enjoy the game you probably need to move on anyway.

If the poll would include the ACTIVE player base of WoD, it would be like 90% YES and 10% No.

If you want to fly: just buy a flight simulator but stay out of a massive on line ROLE PLAYING ADVENTURE game.

I would include flying in the last 3 months of WoD. The world of Dranei today is Much too important to trivialise it.

Originally Posted by Ossyria

So basically you see what you want to see. And that is why you'll never be able to usefully or constructively add anything to a debate, ever.

the game was at its peak in wrath, an expansion that embraced flight.

I still havent figured out how flying ruins the game at all.

Originally Posted by Mule

What a completely pointless poll. People without subscriptions vote so it isn't representative of the player base, and you can vote more than once.

I've seen a ton of people say that they unsubbed in MoP after the announcement of no flying, so it seems that being able to vote on this poll would tip the scales in favor of those who quit because of no flight. Funny that.

Originally Posted by Coffeh

Actually, a poll here is much more accurate than one on the official WoW forums. For the very reason you mentioned: there only people with active subs can vote.

So you're saying somebody without an active subscription can say they like Draenor without flight without experiencing it? Going to have to disagree with you.

Originally Posted by Moradim

the game was at its peak in wrath, an expansion that embraced flight.

I still havent figured out how flying ruins the game at all.

WotLK had NO flying while leveling at launch. Only at lvl 80 you would have access to it BUT the world was trivialised after that and everyone complained there was NO ONE in the open world back then.

Besides WoD is the best expansion yet to level. Everyone agrees on that.

New mechanics, better game experience. Everyone is back ADVENTURING in the world again. This is an open world role playing adventure game not a personal flight simulator that avoids the adventure.

Originally Posted by Mule

So you're saying somebody without an active subscription can say they like Draenor without flight without experiencing it? Going to have to disagree with you.

And are you trying to claim there are people who know for certain they wouldn't like WoD because of no flight even though they've been unsubbed for months?

All of your arguments for how this poll is "bias" can be applied to both sides, canceling each other out.

You can see from my post history that I'm no hater, actually I really LOVE this game, and I've been playing it for years only taking breaks when real life gets super busy and not because of the game itself.

Anyways, I don't like being bound to the ground, I really hate to be jumping around to get treasures and stuff, I was OK with it the first few weeks, but now I just really want to be able to fly.
Highmaul should really have a flight path. It's been only 2 raid nights and running there is already getting old.