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Patch 6.1 PTR Patch Notes - February 13
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Garrisons, Followers, and Outposts
  • Follower Missions
    • Level 90-94 gold and Garrison Resource missions will now continue to appear even if there are no Followers that are level 90-94.
  • Garrison Buildings
    • Barn
      • Barn traps can now be placed on top of a trap that has already been sprung.
    • Mage Tower / Spirit Lodge
      • Characters visiting the Garrison are now able to use Mage Tower / Spirit Lodge portals.
    • Town Hall
      • The fireplace in Tier-2 and Tier-3 Alliance Garrison Town Halls can now be used as a cooking fire.

Cosmetic Transformations and Toy Effects
  • Improvements have been made to the way that cosmetic transformations are handled. Previously, using another transformation would overwrite or cancel an existing effect. Now, characters can retain multiple cosmetic transformations and the one with the highest priority will be visible. If a higher priority transformation is canceled or expires, the next highest priority transformation will then be visible.
  • Cosmetic transformation effects that don't have mount animations and previously prevented a character from mounting (or were canceled upon mounting) are no longer canceled or need to be canceled or prevent mounting. Instead, the transform is temporarily suppressed and the character will regain the transformation once they dismount.
  • Many Druid shapeshift forms now have attachment points on the head and back for cosmetic toy effects such as Blazing Wings or Pepe. Additional shapeshift forms may receive attachment points in the future.

General
  • Accounts with an inactive subscription are now able to log in with the same restrictions that Starter Edition accounts have with the additional perk of being able to join guilds that characters on the account already are a member of.
  • New Graphics Options
    • Particle Density in graphics settings now have 3 detail levels (down from 5). This may affect the number of particles generated by some particle systems.
    • Ambient Occlusion
      • Added new ambient occlusion method NVIDIA HBAO+, available on all DirectX 11 capable video cards.
    • Anti-Aliasing
      • MSAA is once again supported, with additional controls for fine-tuning under Advanced graphics options.
      • A new SSAA anti-aliasing option is now available for high-end video cards.
    • New Lighting
      • Per-pixel deferred point lights have been added to create more realistic lighting throughout Draenor.

Itemization
  • All rings, neck, cloak, and trinket items that can be acquired in Nagrand (A level 98+ zone) or later should now be better suited for the character's loot specialization. This means tanks should no longer receive items with no bonus Armor and healers should no longer receive items with no Spirit from sources like item tokens, quests, or Personal loot mode in Dungeons and Raids for those item slots.

Class Changes
  • Death Knight (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Talents
      • Breath of Sindragosa no longer has an initial Runic Power cost, but only applies the Mark of Sindragosa for Blood Death Knights.
      • Defile now only reduces damage taken for Blood Death Knights.
      • Necrotic Plague damage has been increased by 20% 37% and now only grants Runic Power to Blood Death Knights.
  • Mage (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Talents
      • Comet Storm (Frost) damage has increased by 94% but deals 33.3% less damage in PvP combat.
  • Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Talents
      • Halo now displays an indicator on the ground to make it easier for the casting Priest see where the ability is most effective. Additionally, Halo visual effect has been synchronized so a character will receive the effect when the nova intersects with them.
      • Psychic Scream (Shadow) now has a 30-second cooldown (up from 45 seconds).
  • Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
    • Talents
      • Demonbolt (Demonology) damage decreased by 25%.

Classes

Quests
  • Legacy
    • Cruisin' the Chasm: Resolved an issue where characters were not receiving completion credit after riding the Rental Chopper.
    • Ridin' the Rocketway: Resolved an issue where characters were not receiving completion credit after riding the Redhound Two-Seater prototype.

Dungeons and Raids
  • Raids
    • Blackrock Foundry
      • Dungeon Journal entries for Blackrock Foundry have been updated with fight mechanics that have changed from hotfixes.
      • Hans’gar & Franzok
        • Tanks are now able to use abilities and cooldowns while grabbed by Hans’gar or Franzok's Crippling Suplex.

PvP
  • Primal Gladiator's and Primal Combatant's Badges now have a 2-minute cooldown (up from 1 minute).
  • Mists of Pandaria era PvP Gloves no longer have an on-equip bonus.
  • Ashran
    • There's now a 10 minute delay between battles after Grand Marshal Tremblade or High Warlord Volrath has been defeated (down from 30 minutes).

Battlegrounds and Arenas
  • Eye of the Storm: Icon for the flag should no longer be incorrectly displaying in the center of the map even though it's been picked up by another player.

Professions
  • Fishing
    • Fish caught in Draenor can now be filleted without requiring a set stack number (20 for small, 10 for normal, 5 for enormous fish) while larger fish will still award more resources.

Items

UI
  • Loot eligibility lockouts for Draenor world bosses (Drov the Ruiner, Tarlna the Ageless, and Rukhmar) are now tracked in Raid Info under the Raid tab.

Bug Fixes
  • Garden Sickle now correctly sheathes on the hip.
  • Fixed an issue where Rogues would automatically fail the Gladiator's Sanctum coliseum scenario when they use the Death from Above talent.
  • Fixed an issue where characters that underwent a paid faction change may be unable to complete the achievement for Upgrading the Mill.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Character / Items
Can you make the gear from Ethereal Soul-Trader available for transmog?
Appreciate the suggestion, we'll definitely give this some consideration. (WarcraftDevs)

Why does Ironspike Chew Toy have 80 less Int than Goren Soul Repository. Seems very unwarranted.
Trinkets are tuned around their item-level and proc effectiveness, and as a result will have some variance comparatively. (WarcraftDevs)

Any chance the Sha'tari defense transmog set will become "Cosmetic" class rather than "plate" class? Only gloves are atm
Being set as "Cosmetic" was a bug in 6.0, and they will be properly labeled Plate in the next patch. (WarcraftDevs)

PvE
9 Elemental Runes from Gruul Normal versus 27 from Gruul Heroic. Is BRF intended to be diff. than HM WRT drop #'s?
There’s always a chance to get extra Runes like how you might get Clusters in Highmaul; same chance all difficulties. (WarcraftDevs)

will the 125 stones for the ring quest drop in BRF if we are still on that quest but raiding BRF now?
Abrogator Stones only drop in Highmaul; the next step, Elemental Runes, drop in Blackrock Foundry. (WarcraftDevs)

Tier tokens don't have 100% drop rate per X raid members like in previous expansions or is this a bug?
Tokens on group loot work like other loot: smooth scaling with respect to raid size, no breakpoints. (WarcraftDevs)

Ko'ragh executes on his shield are super-buggy; Ferocious Bite isn't refreshing Rip at 25% shield health at all.
The mechanic only lets you use abilities that are normally only useable on low-health targets, not secondary effects. (WarcraftDevs)

For several specs, 6+ items on Ka'graz loot table. Chance to get set token on personal loot are more than extremely slim.
Tighter restrictions on spec availability for accessory slots coming in 6.1 should help with this. (WarcraftDevs)

PvP
Remove Glitter bomb? Its beginning to ruin Ashran and BG's. Every man and his dog putting Faerie Fire on me. No fun at all.
The item is receiving a cooldown in 6.1. (WarcraftDevs)

Any planned changes to the Sinister Spores item? Spammable 90% reduced healing across a World PVP raid is quite devastating...
This item is receiving a cooldown in 6.1. (WarcraftDevs)

Garrisons
Will Highmaul loot mission share a cooldown with BRF loot missions?
No. In 6.1, Highmaul and Blackrock Foundry Garrison missions will be on separate cooldowns and won't conflict with each other. (WarcraftDevs)

When my friends are visiting my citadel, they can see their own archeology items on the table instead mines. Is this a bug?
It's a bug, and we'll see what we can do to address it. (WarcraftDevs)

Warlords of Draenor - "Nothing to Do"
Bashiok highlighted a nice post by a player on the official forums today. Be sure to click the Show/Hide link on the right to show the post.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

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In all my time in WoW, I've never seen the forums as negative as they've been during WoD. While it's true that the forums always are a place for centralized criticism, and so always are more negative in general than what you hear in-game, the negativity has really swelled in this expansion.

I've been thinking about the issues with this expansion quite a bit, and particularly the comments from people saying they've unsubscribed. Sometimes they post a list of things that have them dissatisfied, sometimes they just make a small post with one reason. With the lists, while many issues might be subjects frequently complained about, there's usually one item in the list that seems to really be the trigger above everything else.

Based on what I've seen watching the forums and reading these posts, if I had to identify the main issues making people post threads about unsubscribing, it would be having "nothing to do," and the sense of being forced to spend all your time in garrisons doing garrison chores.

Now at this point, I've not said anything novel. A lot of the time, when someone does say something like this, it is met with a reply that tries to rebut the person quitting. The replies tend to point out that "there are tons of things to do, more than past expansions even" and "you are not forced to do anything, you can ignore garrison chores." The replies are not wrong at a literal level, and yet, there's no question that many players feel exactly like the people unsubscribing. Indeed, I'm not sure I like the upvoting and downvoting system for posts, but there's no denying that quitting posts stating those types of reasons for quitting tend to get a lot of upvotes.

So I think the most valuable thing to do is not to say, "are they right or wrong" but more, "why do they feel this way?"

What there is "to do" in WoW

"Nothing to do" is what I hear a lot. So, beyond the initial leveling up experience on your first main, let's look at what there is to do. I'm not posting this list as a rebuttal to "nothing to do," just as a jumping off point for looking at what people actually do vs. what they could do, and where the breakdown is between the two. So, roughly speaking, here is the list in my mind of "things I can do" in WoW. There is some overlap, but I feel like these listed activities carry enough distinction to be separate items on the list:

  • Leveling up alts (leveling is relatively fast in WoD)
  • Organized Raiding (Normal, Heroic, Mythic)
  • LFR raiding.
  • Battlegrounds (unrated)
  • Rated Battlegrounds
  • Arenas (2v2, 3v3, 5v5)
  • Ashran (Nemesis quests adding a big task here with Gladiator's Sanctum)
  • Highmaul Coliseum FFA deathmatch scenario (Gladiator's Sanctum requried)
  • Normal / Heroic Dungeons
  • Challenge Modes (Bronze, Silver, Gold)
  • Proving Grounds (Tank, Healer, DPS; Bronze, Silver, Gold, Endless)
  • Brawler's Guild
  • Reputation grinding for rewards
  • Apexis Daily
  • Fishing (hey, some people like it)
  • Archaeology
  • Pet Battles (Collecting)
  • PvP Pet Battles
  • Primary Professions (Barn makes a big difference here in adding work to do)
  • Garrison chores (picking up work orders, harvesting herbs / ore)
  • Follower Missions (potentially highly involved)
  • Leveling up Bodyguards (some neat rewards for this)
  • Collecting transmog gear (War Mill / Dwarven Bunker adding more here)
  • Collecting mounts (including rares in WoD, such as poundfist)
  • The Toy Collection (new for WoD)
  • Garrison Invasions

Finally, as an all-encompassing category, "Achievements." There are Achievements related to pretty much everything. In some areas, they actually add reasons to do things in different ways than you'd normally do them (many acheivements in the "Quest" category, for example). In some areas, they simply reward you for completing the associated grind (like a Reputation achievement). Some achievements reward you for doing things in a manner maximally calculated to harm your group's chances of success (i.e. nearly every PvP BG achievent). And of course, there are achievements connected to all of the Legacy content you can visit from past expansions of the game.

What people are actually doing in WoW

Of course there are people involved in all of those activities. But in terms of what I see on the forums, a lot of people are saying that their typical game session (aside from maybe "raid night") is comprised of this:

  • Log in
  • Garrison Chores
  • Follower Missions
  • Apexis Daily (Maybe)
  • Log out

So looking at the typical session, a lot of things that could be done aren't being done. Some might just attribute this to the time people have to play, but I don't think that's quite right. Many people with more time to play lose interest in doing anything more during the time that they do the few things in that list.

My opinion is this: For a lot of players, they preemptively feel like it's not worth doing something if they can't make a decent measure of progress on it in that session, and that they need a certain level of stamina to meet the necessary measure of progress.

Stamina Calculation

For instance, if I want to do Ashran to work on my Nemesis quests, I know the queue will probably be an hour or more. To make putting up with that queue worth it, I know my time in Ashran should be at LEAST an hour, and probably more. The moment I log in, I might feel like I have enough stamina to go through that if I queue up immediately. However, 20 minutes later, I might not feel like I have the stamina to start that process.

That's one example, but two other things play into the feeling of stamina. First, the less engaged you feel during your first block of time in a session, the larger the stamina cost will feel for everything you might do afterwards. If your first 20 minutes felt like a boring slog, it makes you feel less excited about spending another hour in the same game, even if the other things to do are really different. Second, the less structured an activity is, the more players will default to assigning it a larger "stamina cost."

Less Structure = Higher Assumed Stamina Cost

As an example of this, consider reputations. Getting to Exalted with Laughing Skull (Horde) or Sha'tari Defense (Alliance) revolves around killing mobs for reputation points. There are no daily quests or other sources of reputation. Theoretically, a person could just jump in and kill mobs for 15 minutes, make some progress, and walk away with a gain equivalent to what a daily quest could get them for reputations in Mists of Pandaria. And in terms of gameplay, they are probably doing exactly the same thing as a daily quest would usually ask of them (i.e. an NPC saying "go kill 20 mobs for me").

But in practice, with no structure, most players just see a potentially very long grind, low gains, and feel like it's not even worth it if they're not doing it for an hour straight. Because the commitment at any point in time is more open-ended, it feels like it has to be a larger commitment. The most efficient way to farm is to join a group, and who wants to join a five-man group and go through the travel time just to stick around for 15 minutes? And if you're in a group, you know you'll feel some pressure to stick around to keep the pace up for rep farming. It's not a question of them being right or wrong, it's just that they default to assigning it a larger stamina cost and needing a larger block of time to make it "worth it," and then do not consider it worth their own time to engage in it. So only a sliver of players really engage with that content (fortunately, that sliver can find each other pretty easily with group finder to form groups).

Content outside stamina range = content that "does not exist" to the player

The stamina calculation goes on in players' minds constantly. And, if an activity is something they find themselves never doing, then they start to feel like that content is not content "meant for them." So that initial block of time they log on is very important, it sets the tone for what they feel like they can do. Optimally, people would vary up how they spend their initial time. Some days they would log in and immediately proceed to do heroics, or immediately proceed to Arenas, or Rated BG's or Ashran, or immediately proceed to challenge modes or pet battles or many other things. But in practice, the variety is not happening. In practice, they fall into a pattern of doing garrison chores, not feeling the energy or drive to do anything more, logging out, and feeling like there's no content for them.

Forced to do chores

As mentioned earlier, one of the immediate retorts to people saying they feel forced to do garrison chores is that they are not, in fact, forced to do garrison chores. While some people describe Garrisons as a prison, other people wave the complaint away by essentially saying, "if it's a prison, it's your self-made prison." It's silly to get bogged down in a fight over whether something is "forced" on a literal level, because of course it is not. But it's not silly to ask why something feels forced. So the big question is, what makes people feel "forced" to do something in WoW. In my opinion, two things can trigger the feeling of being forced.

1. The activity improves your gear to the extent that ignoring it means you will be routinely excluded from advancing in higher end content, and you cannot obtain the same upgrade through other reasonable methods.

2. The activity is time-based, and failing to take advantage of it when it is offered means losing out permanently on some advantage.

The first category is a criticism that Blizzard is keenly sensitive too, and I would say they made quite an effort to make sure that gear upgrades could be obtained from many varied sources. This doesn't mean that higher end content doesn't slowly narrow down to providing gear solely through high end activities (i.e. mythic upgrades require mythic raiding), but for someone who just hit level cap, they have a numerous methods to obtain gear upgrades.

The second category is the one I think tends to be more present and more damaging, but also tends to be overlooked. People hate the sense that a reward dangled right in front of them will be lost permanently if they fail to act. The Garrison chores are a perfect example of this. Anytime you fail to act, you give up a reward. The reward is sitting right in front of you, requiring you to do nothing more than interact with it to pick it up (minine nodes, herb garden, work orders). The more accessible a reward is to your initial log-in point, the more you will feel like the "right" way to play is to engage with it. Not doing the task to get the reward makes you feel like you're stupidly giving up a gain, and no one likes to feel as if they're playing the game "wrong." So you feel compelled mentally to engage that content.

And if you have alts... oh boy. People with alts might find themselves wrestling with whether it feels like the right thing to do is to get the "rewards" in the Garrison on each new character, despite the drain and lack of fun they feel. It's easy to say they shouldn't feel that way and they don't need those rewards on all their characters, but the question really is about what the game is making them feel like.

Tying the problems together

There is a lot to do in WoD. But post after post describes feeling forced to do chores and feeling like there's "nothing to do" in the game. My experience doesn't exactly match that. I myself feel pretty engaged in a variety of content, and I've gotten somewhat used to ignoring my garrison chores when I feel like doing something else. Yet I don't feel like those posts are stating things incorrectly. I think the experience they describe is what an uncomfortably large number of players are feeling.

Players are logging on, feel compelled to go through their Garrison chores, getting those rewards that are placed right in front of them... Even though that very content is not fun and drains their stamina for engaging in other content. It reduces their stamina for engaging in other activities that absolutely require large blocks of time to give a reasonable hope of success. And for activites that don't absolutely require large blocks of time, so many of those lack structure that the player defaults to assigning them large blocks of time for what it would require to be "worth it" (i.e. very few players want to make a trip for an unstructured rep grind just to grind for 15 minutes).

This all leads to the ultimate result of:
Log in
Do Garrison chores
Feel unenergized to do more
Log out
"I feel bored, forced to do garrison chores, and like there's nothing to do."

And the longer this goes on, the more the player feels the lack of energy BEFORE they do their chores, because their mind is already anticipating it. Whereas before they felt lack of energy to do things after the chores, soon they feel a lack of energy as they are logging in. They start to feel like they are forcing themselves to log in to do something they don't enjoy.

THOUGHTS FOR IMPROVING THE SITUATION

Structure:
More structure is needed for other content. In another thread, a blue post recently talked about how dailies are not viewed as inherently good or evil, and also talked about how many players only have a little time to play and others have larger blocks of time, and they want to design for everyone. Now, that's a fine statement. But I'd add something more: Daily Quests should be viewed as potential structure. Indeed, all quests should be viewed as potential structure. One-time quests, weekly quests, and daily quests.

And I think when people look outside their Garrison, they see a lack of structure, and it makes everything seem more daunting, more of an open-ended commitment, and overall less attractive. Part of the missing structure is narrative. That is not to say that every zone is not full of story. There is story everywhere. But at level-cap, it feels haphazard and unorganized.

The Garrison Campaign gives you the quest chain in each assault area that kind of ties the story together. But the Campaign quest is automatically offered from week to week, there is no effort to "earn" the quest. On the other hand, the dailies for Apexis feel unrewarding, and do not feel like they play into a sense of building towards anything. Meanwhile, reputations for factions intimately involved in these areas are completely unrelated.

Shattrath is an example of this. Grinding exalted for Sha'tari Defense does not carry any story, or any requirement, other than killing a ton of mobs in an unstructured fashion. Doing the daily quest for Apexis crystals does not play any role in whether you get the Garrison Campaign quest that finally sends you to the city to deal with Socrethar, the big villain leading the Sargerei forces. This narrative arc could have been a very fun experience at level-cap, and instead it feels very underwhelming.

My advice on the structuring process would be this: First come up with a narrative for the story of an area, then structure that narrative to have players work towards the narrative's climax, then make use of blocks of time with frequent, natural stopping points. A very good example of this would be what was done in Patch 5.1 with Lion's Landing and Domination Point. You did dailies that awarded reputation, and hitting certain reputation numbers (not just "honored" or "revered", but actual a series of reputation points within those bars) opened up quests that moved a larger narrative forward, until you finally hit a narrative climax. I don't expect every narrative to be as good as that one was, nor do I ask that every structure be identical, but I do think that is probably the current gold standard when it comes to structuring "casual" world content, and content design should always try to match the sense of narrative build-up paired with frequent stopping points shown there.

Garrison Chores:
A solution here is difficult. But I think the "chore" aspect of Garrisons needs a serious appraisal, because it seems like a festering wound on the forums. They can't be eliminated entirely, and I don't think people necessarily would want it eliminated entirely. There is some aspect to the chores that can feel fun, and people don't like having a reward yanked away from them. So here would be my suggestions:

1. Change the mine and the garden.

Aside from the highly negative impact they had on miners and herbalists (which is only tangential to what I'm addressing), I think players view these chores with a growing annoyance while feeling like they "should" farm these. And I think it gets worse for people with alts.

The change I would enact would be to remove spawns for anyone who is not of the appropriate profession (miner / herbalist). I would also remove work orders from the mine and garden for people not of those professions, as the work orders feel incredibly redundant. This does not mean those buildings would lack purpose. I would change the benefit of those buildings to simply be that as you upgrade them, they slightly increase the rate at which the Garrison cache fills. This makes sense narratively too - the workers are creating resources for your Garrison out of the raw materials. If you assign a worker to the building, I would probably make it so you obtain one cart per day from them of ore from the mine and an herb of a particular variety from the garden (this way, for instance, engineers could still get ore for their gears from the mine, and tailors could still get their gorgrond flytrap needed for hexweave daily).

Additionally, I would make it so that workers assigned to a building do not have to come from your Active Follower list, they could come from your inactive ones. It makes more sense anyway that inactive followers are the ones sticking around in the Garrison not going on missions, so why shouldn't they work in a building?

2. Work Orders need reduced frequency.

I think the pick-up and put in of new orders is too frequent, and drives a sense from people that they should "check in" with their Garrison, further distracting from non-Garrison content. Changing the system now may not feel very viable, but if there's a way, I'd look into finding a method whereby players had longer periods between feeling the "need" to check in. I know I personally will sometimes go days without picking up my orders, then I receive a bunch from the next batch I pick up, and for me that's more fun than if I had been picking it up more frequently and putting in new orders (despite this meaning that I ultimately obtain a bit less over time).

I would look into finding a method to reward players for waiting longer between pickups. Perhaps it could be tied to whether you have a Follower assigned to the building (maybe he adds a passive bonus the longer he has to "polish" finished product or something). It seems counter-intuitive to reward people for being LESS diligent in checking work orders, but I think it's exactly what the system could use.

3. Follower Missions need longer options.

When I first heard of the follower system at Blizzcon, I remember talk of there being missions that might take "a week" while others would take a day and others mere hours. Currently, nothing takes longer than a day. I think it's time you look into creating Follower Missions oriented around being days long or even a week long. I think you should consider offering multiple of these missions at the same time AND consider requiring more than just 3 followers.

In other words, Follower Missions could use missions where people have the option to treat followers as a WEEKLY activity rather than a DAILY or semi-hourly activity. It might not mean sending all your followers on weekly quests, but the more you send on long-term quests, the less followers you have to manage the other days of the week.

Conclusion
I know this post is probably too long. With a post this long, I realize I might not even get one reply because it simply turns people off from reading the whole thing. Still, sometimes I like to write to order my thoughts on a topic, which can make it feel easier to engage such topics in other posts with shorter comments.

I hope someone finds this post to have been worthwhile to read. Thanks if you did.

Thanks for putting that together Torvald. I think it's insightful, and presents some very cogent theories about what the deeper cause for people's feedback could be. I feel smarter for having read it, and so thank you.

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This article was originally published in forum thread: Mythic BRF Progress, Patch 6.1 PTR Patch Notes - Feb 13, Blue Tweets, "Nothing to Do" started by chaud View original post
Comments 69 Comments
  1. Failboat's Avatar
    I don't think I agree with the nothing to do post. I mean no don't get me wrong, I also think there is nothing to do in the game right now outside of raiding or hardcore pvp but his main point is that there is a lack of structure. That doesn't gel with me 100%: he is right that there is a lack of structure but at the same time there just isn't a lot to do anyway. A lot of his list is just padding, look at pet battles, there is one new pet battle daily that is worth repeating each day (the garrison daily). It takes less than 5 minutes to do, that is not even worth putting on the list. Follower missions? Apexis Daily? Professions? Leveling up bodyguards? None of those things are very time consuming and are either time gated (professions) or can be finished in under an hour (like leveling up a body guard) that is a sad excuse for content.

    A better list would be things you can do past the first 2 weeks of the expansion because most of his list wouldn't make it. Just off the top of my head I've been done with bodyguards, arch, pet battles, transmog, toy collection (outside of ultra grindy things that require doing non-Draenor content), Draenor mounts, and heroic dungeons since the first month of the expansion. Other things have fallen off as well but in most cases the only reason I didn't do them earlier was just because I didn't feel like it. For example I just finished my last faction (Arrakoa) a few days ago but it's not like it was time consuming or anything, it took me 3 hours (timed by 3 DMF rep hats) to go from revered to exalted (in addition to a few rep tokens I had from missions). The expansion has been out for months now, 3 hours of rep grinding content is not something you can hang your hat on when you are talking about a list of content in the expansion.
  1. arthar77's Avatar
    Go midwinter!!!
  1. mekatron's Avatar
    It's the loneliest expac ever. And when it's not, it's boring. Apexis dailies solo? Nightmare, draggy. Forced to go into a group for something so trivial and with many flaws (ppl leaving the party before u completed and making your pace slower again, for example, or many traps from the environment not working when in a raid group)? Annoying, structurally problematic. Nothing is relevant in Wod, except Heroic and Mythic raiding.
  1. huldu's Avatar
    I don't agree. This expansion has the most things a player can "do". There are a few flaws tho. The first one being the 5-man dungeons, especially the heroic versions. Beside gearing up or being a tank/healer for the bag, what's the point of even running them more than once or twice. None. Without any justice or valor they're totally pointless. I'm not going to even argue about the current raids since some people take it a bit too personal, let me just put it like this: they're bland and boring. I'm not liking the route blizzard has taken with the various "difficulties" it's a laugh really. Basically the same content redone 4 times if you count the lfr. That just ain't working out for me. The lack of dailies was a bit of a surprise in this expansion. Not that I ever did them that often to begin with in earlier expansions.

    I'm just surprised at the complains of some people who clearly are stuck in some nostalgic mindset. To the guy above, you consider the raids "relevant"? Oh please. I could almost say it's worse than ever. You get a piece of gear that will be replaced within 4-6 months. Time well spent. You could take a break now, return in a year and use their catch up mechanics. You basically missed nothing beside a gear grind. The game has to be more than just grinding gear. I'm a bit surprised that people are so easily distracted. It could be that raiding is far too "casual" these days.
  1. ZeroWashu's Avatar
    Oh wow, DOOM has a selfie cam mod http://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mod...-nofilter-rc1/

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    Crafted gear and instance gear (heroic/non heroic) needs to scale automatically to where it can support the entry iLevel for current raid tiers. This does not mean auto scaling existing gear, it means that if you ran a heroic 5 man on day one it would drop 630, but later it would drop 640, 650, and so on. However gear already in the game would stay at its original drop iLevel. At least then there would be a reason to rerun the 5 man. The difficulty of the 5 mans would not change, there is no reason for that as you still have fresh 100s having to do them
  1. mekatron's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by huldu View Post
    To the guy above, you consider the raids "relevant"? Oh please. I could almost say it's worse than ever. You get a piece of gear that will be replaced within 4-6 months. Time well spent. You could take a break now, return in a year and use their catch up mechanics. You basically missed nothing beside a gear grind. The game has to be more than just grinding gear. I'm a bit surprised that people are so easily distracted. It could be that raiding is far too "casual" these days.
    It's relevant to become powerful DOING something. All the other forms of getting gear don't require u to actually move your character out of the garrison anymore, raiding does, that's why I think it's the only content with any kind of importance right now.
  1. liopleurod0n's Avatar
    Under the Druid section: PvP 4-piece set bonus for Restoration Druids has been replaced. The cooldown of Ironbark is now reduced by 30 seconds.

    This is not listed anywhere in Blizzard's patch notes that I can find. Changes to Balance PVP armor have been changed, but not resto.
  1. Heldamon's Avatar
    Add to that the pityfull rewards of these grinded factions.
  1. Llunai's Avatar
    Curse video isn't even remotely funny...

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