Mythic Blackhand World First - Method

Originally Posted by Asmodias

Really? It's probably breaking the rules, but I don't see how it's breaking the rules. That's what you just said.

ToS stipulations are not rules, there are mere advices. If you don't follow them, no support for you, but they are not bannable offenses.

Originally Posted by Majna

Blizzard should hire the people that designed the raids in Wildstar, took 7 months to kill the last boss in the 40man raid Datascape.

And then WoW will have as many players as WildStar! Oh wait...

Originally Posted by D3cadent

lmfao.... It already is.

Are people really this clueless about high end raiding????

No I mean with the mid-range guilds not high end guilds. Look forward to average joe's making this a requirement in their guild lol.

Paragon take 15 mage for spine or deathwing i don't remember good
So
Why not ??

Why you say punish/no punish
STFU guys

Method was more cunning this time

Originally Posted by Albaba

Paragon take 15 mage for spine or deathwing i don't remember good
So
Why not ??

Why you say punish/no punish
STFU guys

Method was more cunning this time

Exactly, Paragon would have done the exact samet thing if they where the first to think of it. And this is what happens on every World First, the guild that thinks out of the box and do something wins.

Originally Posted by Feederino Senpai

Exactly, Paragon would have done the exact samet thing if they where the first to think of it. And this is what happens on every World First, the guild that thinks out of the box and do something wins.

Paragon and Method and For The Horde and Envy all got the same punishment on the start of DS, so we can also give Paragon and Method the same punishment when it comes to account sharing. Just because someone got away with it in the past, doesn't mean that should happen now.

And, yes, it is a big deal. You commit to an account where you put a certain amount of time to get a character to 100, and gear it up using the lockout system. You as a person are bound to that investment. If you allow all kinds of account sharing going on to be OK the time and commitment loses its value which destroys the prestige behind it.

Let me draw you an analogy here. You know Chinese guilds and how easy they can realm transfer to buy gear from BMAH? You know how Asia had a lockout of twice a week, and higher ilvl? You know how a guild raiding 12 hrs a day is in a completely different league than a guild raiding 12 hours a week? Account sharing sets a different pace, it omits the limits of class balance and lockouts. It is nearly impossible to figure out who is doing it for RL money (cause all that conversation goes via Skype, not in-game). So the easy solution is a zero tolerance policy towards account sharing.

Originally Posted by Insofin

I'm EU player. I don't care about PvE WF runs. But I do care Blizzard's hipocrisy on their ToU. People cheat and they don't apply the same rules for everyone. If two Method players used a third person account (or second person), they broke the rules and they should get their punishment. Be it 12, 24, 72 hour ban or a permanent one.

thats bcz its a BS rule ,account sharing has been going on in mmo's for decades.Only time Server owners ban acc for account sharing is if there was some other illegal activities involved,account was scamed or account owner asked to ban/close acc.

Gz on the kill method! Cannot wait to see who gets the second kill

And about the account sharing.. Yeah a ban is a possibility as sharing is against a rules. But then again, they are not like our "Pro" PvP-players such as Reckful who cause toxic behavior, so you never know.

Originally Posted by Sodia

LOL Sick and salty.....You are an amusing person :P You must have many friends .

Even if I had no friends, was 0/10 normal, a super Paragon fanboy, etc, it doesn't mean my opinion on breaking the ToS is any less valid.

Ad hominem attacks are completely non-constructive.

This thread proves why humans will never have world peace - we can't even agree that cheating is cheating, when the ToS clearly defines it as something you should not do - how on earth can we agree on actual complex issues? This thread is a real eye opener to humanity on a whole quite frankly.

Originally Posted by pandaman

Even if I had no friends, was 0/10 normal, a super Paragon fanboy, etc, it doesn't mean my opinion on breaking the ToS is any less valid.

Ad hominem attacks are completely non-constructive.

This thread proves why humans will never have world peace - we can't even agree that cheating is cheating, when the ToS clearly defines it as something you should not do - how on earth can we agree on actual complex issues? This thread is a real eye opener to humanity on a whole quite frankly.

People root for a winner, and when one is decided they don't want a referee to look at the rules because that would nullify their acceptance on the outcome. So if Method players did get banned, and the public finds this out (cause bans aren't advertized) it would shed doubt on the outcome. Instead, we do a Seph Blatter. We put our head in the sand like an ostrich.

When you mention the rules are broken you're a fanboy of some random competitor. Just like everyone who criticized Armstrong was obviously an Ulrich fanatic or how if you mentioning Steven Gerrard's goal against Germany you must be obviously pro England

Obviously, both is a load of crap. I'd have said exactly the same if it were Paragon doing this or whoever else, just like its fair all who exploited in DS got bans, and I am sure a lot of German fans would've rather seen the goal attributed because they want their team to win via fair play instead of bad referee decisions. I'm also sure Ulrich fans were disgusted when they learned Ulrich used doping. Armstrong's confession was much later, so I can say I am sure a lot of fans were disgusted by that as well. Its the natural, rational reaction. Sticking to your favorite is plain zealotry.

Originally Posted by pandaman

Even if I had no friends, was 0/10 normal, a super Paragon fanboy, etc, it doesn't mean my opinion on breaking the ToS is any less valid.

Ad hominem attacks are completely non-constructive.

This thread proves why humans will never have world peace - we can't even agree that cheating is cheating, when the ToS clearly defines it as something you should not do - how on earth can we agree on actual complex issues? This thread is a real eye opener to humanity on a whole quite frankly.

You're talking about two very different things. Nobody is disputing that they broke the terms of service. The dispute is that this somehow sullies their world first kill, and it doesn't. The most important thing to keep in mind here is that other top players from other top guilds have, in this very argument, come out and said "Yes we've done this too in the past." - So it's a complete non-issue.

Originally Posted by RoKPaNda

You're talking about two very different things. Nobody is disputing that they broke the terms of service. The dispute is that this somehow sullies their world first kill, and it doesn't. The most important thing to keep in mind here is that other top players from other top guilds have, in this very argument, come out and said "Yes we've done this too in the past." - So it's a complete non-issue.

But the question is would they have got WF if they had not account shared, and the answer is probably no as they needed the higher geared alts not their mains

It doesn't appear that blizzard gives a damn about the account sharing. Not sure why any of you do?

Originally Posted by pandaman

Even if I had no friends, was 0/10 normal, a super Paragon fanboy, etc, it doesn't mean my opinion on breaking the ToS is any less valid.

Ad hominem attacks are completely non-constructive.

This thread proves why humans will never have world peace - we can't even agree that cheating is cheating, when the ToS clearly defines it as something you should not do - how on earth can we agree on actual complex issues? This thread is a real eye opener to humanity on a whole quite frankly.

No. There will never be works peace because people deep down are passive/aggressive, and need too feel validated. People use arguments like this too get out non related frustrations. Look at politics. There are people it there who would rather see the country suffer than to see Obama do something that benefits the country. Why? Because people are pretty. And there is always an enemy. Whether it's a liberal, conservative, or top raider, there are always people who will dislike them, and use hyperbole to get three frustrations out.

And that's why there will never be world peace. Because people are stubborn, stupid, and uncompromising. Method didnt cheat. If anything 2 people did. And punish them. Not the guild. One toon isn't deciding the kill. It's deciding whether the kill was when it was or an hour or two later.

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Originally Posted by shaft4783

It doesn't appear that blizzard gives a damn about the account sharing. Not sure why any of you do?

Because people hide behind things like the ToS. They use it when it's convenient for them. A lot of people already have hate for top guilds and hardcore raiders. So they latch on to stuff like this. Nothing would make some people happier than too see Method have the kill stripped and every member permabanned. Because people aren't interested in rules or justice. They just want to see people they don't like fall.

Originally Posted by Albaba

Paragon take 15 mage for spine or deathwing i don't remember good
So
Why not ??

Why you say punish/no punish
STFU guys

Method was more cunning this time

I remember that, Arcane Mages, Sub Rogues and Shamans right? The question is did they account share to do it? I could care less if they have 200 mages in a raid if they are owned by 200 different people. Don't give me that "in top guilds the accounts are owned by the guild" stuff, pretty sure I never read that in any ToU.

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Originally Posted by shaft4783

It doesn't appear that blizzard gives a damn about the account sharing. Not sure why any of you do?

Government doesn't care about it's people why should I? Every man for himself!

Originally Posted by Drusin

I could care less if they have 200 mages in a raid if they are owned by 200 different people.

If they manage to get 200 people in a raid that's a pretty big exploit so you might want to care

Damn bruh all that discussion about legit or not.. I just wanted to say "congrats to them, and nice killshot."

Congrats to Method!