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Originally Posted by Idletime

I dunno, first post made me laugh a little. Those with the gold to spend on the tokens bought in as early as possible because of anticipated demand and fear it was going to go up like in most every MMO that's implemented this - you want to be on the ground floor. The throttle was at 10 tokens per person, which at 30k was 300k per gold seller. As someone with millions laying around, this was hardly a dent, and there are many of us today. The adjustment, at this point 5k per token, is not that big a hit, it's 50k total. Personally, I look at 50k like the majority of players look at 5k. Just economies of scale. Sort of like when Tiger Woods wrecks a $50k automobile, I can go win one match and replace that 100 times over, so it's not a big deal to me. If you have the actual talent for making gold, you can always replace it, whereas most normal people would scream about losing it. I know I lost half a million in the lead up to the release of BRF speculating in one market, I replaced that loss 7x over so far.

The tokens will eventually grow in value, right now because of throttles on purchases they are going to be artificial lows. But once everyone who actually has the gold has all the gametime they can stand, we will run out of need for the gametime, unless the game will be around for the next 20 years. That means you can expect the price to rise. Over time it will solidify to a price point, and Blizz will insure this. If you're rooting for your local millionaire to fail, I assure you that you're barking up the wrong tree. Unlike you, we have the knowledge to make it all back, whereas the buyers are essentially giving all that gold back to us. Don't worry, your overlords won't look badly on you for hating us, we are the ones in charge of this, and we have it under control.

Um no, If demand is lower than supply - prices drop, not rise. If most wow millionaires stop buying tokens the price of a token will drop. Just like it did with the Guardian cub. Once most collectors had the pet the price went down quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by Fynnlagh

I still think that a person who buys 1 month gametime for 20$ is an idiot. Even when he gets 40k Gold in return. Looks like WoW has a lot of people who have no idea of the real worth of real money.

No-one is buying game time for $20. They are buying gold for $20.

Originally Posted by Fynnlagh

Which makes it intelligent how? You get 15k by 1 week of doing your garrison stuff. That's about 8h a week and you pay 20$ for it?

And how exactly does it affect you? I can say the same thing. Why waste 8h when you can just spend $20 and get in within minutes.

Originally Posted by Fynnlagh

Which makes it intelligent how? You get 15k by 1 week of doing your garrison stuff. That's about 8h a week and you pay 20$ for it?

Looks like WoW also has a lot of people who do not know the value of having a fulltime job.

Originally Posted by Fynnlagh

Which makes it intelligent how? You get 15k by 1 week of doing your garrison stuff. That's about 8h a week and you pay 20$ for it?

It might be hard to understand for you but there are people who make 20$ in 30 minutes of working at their daily jobs. And yes, they'd rather use that money gained in those 30 minutes than to spend 8 hours in WoW doing stuff they'd rather not want to do. There are people who don't value money like you do. In most cases probably because they have way more money than you

Originally Posted by Fynnlagh

Which makes it intelligent how? You get 15k by 1 week of doing your garrison stuff. That's about 8h a week and you pay 20$ for it?

on the flip side, you know how much money you would make for 8 hours worth of work in a real job?

Originally Posted by Fynnlagh

Because you spent the hours ingame as before? You do nothing special. You log in, do your garrison stuff, join a raid and go offline as most people in WoW and after a week you earned around 15000 gold. Why would you cut pay extra for that? There is not even much use for gold in WoW except for the black market.

Really? So new players have all the mounts, followers, pets, heirlooms etc??? Go work out how much it costs to have lv100 heirlooms

Originally Posted by Fynnlagh

I know how much money I make in an hour, but that isn't the point. The point is that you spent time in a game to have fun or you love the game. Why would you pay for a shortcut. If earning 15k gold in WoW is work for you or you don't play 8 hours per week you should start thinking about if it makes sense to play that game, You pay 15$ a month for playing and now you pay additional 20$ for having to play even less?

Because not everyone is interested in logging on every day to do garrison chores. They may just want to get on to raid or pvp, and not worry about spending their time, doing, as I said, chores. You are okay doing said chores, great. They value their time differently then you do is all.

Originally Posted by Fynnlagh

I know how much money I make in an hour, but that isn't the point. The point is that you spent time in a game to have fun or you love the game. Why would you pay for a shortcut. If earning 15k gold in WoW is work for you or you don't play 8 hours per week you should start thinking about if it makes sense to play that game, You pay 15$ a month for playing and now you pay additional 20$ for having to play even less?

it takes me a fairly long time to get 15k in wow... . i do nothing to get gold though, hate playing the AH and have maybe one follower with the treasure hunter state on my main, 1 alt has a few more but i don't get to check him every day. I may buy one token a month but 24k is pretty low, 30k was already cutting it close for me. I have tons of uses for gold in WoW though, lots of mounts and followers i want but can't afford etc.. and if i had a bit more disposable income i'd gladly buy the tokens cause i hate trying to earn gold in a game.. that is work to me. When i play i want to play not "work"

I knew it was going to go down. I was surprised when I was reading people thought 30k was a good price. I used to buy gametime for 15k.

It's going to go down to around 18-20k and stay in that range. That's the only price range that makes sense for both the buyer and the seller, as it keeps the $1=1k ratio for both, which is what the value has been on the "black market" forever.

Originally Posted by Fynnlagh

No, I don't like these chores. But I'm smart enough to think about how I spend my money. I stopped playing after I recognized that WoW isn't worth 15$ a month if I login once a week for about 2 hours. I don't throw additional money at them to evade content.
But maybe I just fail to understand the basics of the game. You talk about chores. If all you want to do in WoW is raiding or pvp, you don't need the gold (raiding gets you more gold than you lose by repair costs/buying buff stuff) and even pvp brings you tons of gold. So, why would you buy gold?

I don't pay for gold. I have way more then i'll ever know what to do with. But I can see the value in paying 20 dollars for what you say is 8 hours of garrison work.

Originally Posted by Fynnlagh

And a new player has to get heirlooms, mounts and other things most players gathered in 10+ years in the first few month of playing?
That's what you do in a game. You play it, you earn things, you find things, the game rewards you. It's not "Hey, I'm a new player and I want everything in the first month of that game".
Besides, if new players in WoW are like this, they will cancel their sub after the first half year.

Just because you like farming for gold doesn't mean other people like it. There are plenty of new players who have 3+ toons and not even 1 at max level yet. They see all the shiny mounts / pets and they want it.

New players wanting new things is just an example I used. There are plenty more reasons why older players want gold. Farming for gold is boring. Some people might like it, most don't. Just because you like to play the game in a certain way doesn't mean everyone else wants to play it your way.

I ask again. How does it affect you how other people play the game? Does it make you feel less special?

Originally Posted by Adanyt

Um no, If demand is lower than supply - prices drop, not rise. If most wow millionaires stop buying tokens the price of a token will drop. Just like it did with the Guardian cub. Once most collectors had the pet the price went down quite a bit.

No-one is buying game time for $20. They are buying gold for $20.

Bolded part is correct. The price has dropped because many people are buying the gold for $20 and there are too many tokens on the AH. Not many are buying the tokens yet.

Originally Posted by ttak82

Not many are buying the tokens yet.

Sadly this will be the opposite in Europe because of the "East-Block" where people work 5 days for 20$. :/

Originally Posted by ZwuckeL

It might be hard to understand for you but there are people who make 20$ in 30 minutes of working at their daily jobs. And yes, they'd rather use that money gained in those 30 minutes than to spend 8 hours in WoW doing stuff they'd rather not want to do. There are people who don't value money like you do. In most cases probably because they have way more money than you

The irony here is that you seem to have ignored the other side of this. There are people who have so much gold that they don't value it as much as others and are not going to be particularly wounded over the idea of losing out 120k (assuming they bought two years worth of tokens at 30k/month vs. 25k/month now).

I mean, if you really just need to feel vindicated, then good for you; clearly you're the Warren Buffet of WoW. I'm here to tell you though that no one who is spending that kind of gold/money is going to cry over a pittance.

Originally Posted by ZwuckeL

The token price is developing exactly as I predicted before it went live.

Also, where did you predict the token prices would work out as they have? I can't seem to find any posts from you about this prediction prior to your smug and hindsight-driven self-backpatting in this thread.

I prefer to earn my gold and mounts and pets in game. By ya know, playing the game.

I have a feeling the amount of people willing to buy tokens for cash is going to dwindle when they see how little they get in gold for them. If the gold value of tokens continues to drop it will simply not be worth selling them.

Personally I would be willing to buy some tokens, but only if I can get at least 35k gold for each one. I will be watching closely as the market evolves, as I want to get the maximum profit from my investment.

OMG what a complete disaster the token is if you want gold. If you want gold sell one at the start in the EU and other zones or despair at the total plunge in value later on. I don't know whether to laugh or cry, I expect that plunge line to go lower and lower, crash and burn incoming.

Better stock up with the tokens while the content is stale.

Originally Posted by Fynnlagh

Why would you pay for a shortcut.

And yet, people do that. There were gold seller sites when WoW launched. There were gold seller sites 5 years ago. There are gold seller sites right now (I get 3 different sites spam at least daily). Those sites don't operate at a loss (and it does cost them to get that gold. Even maintaining hackers and scams has its costs). They are still in the business because they do sell their "10k gold at 15$! 30% additional free gold today!" (everyday).

Originally Posted by Bethanie

I have a feeling the amount of people willing to buy tokens for cash is going to dwindle when they see how little they get in gold for them. If the gold value of tokens continues to drop it will simply not be worth selling them.

Well, if people slow down on buying them for real money because they don't feel they're getting enough gold out of it, the gold cost of it (and thus gold payout for real money buyers) will increase until it settles somewhere stable. Supply and demand