Crystalized Fel Now Sold For Valor, Legion Alpha, Blue Posts, DLC #520

Originally Posted by TheWindWalker

At least they finally stopped hugging "real raiders" and gave the majority of their players something to do besides log on and run BGs for the best PVE gear.

BGs for the best PVE gear huh? Don't think so.

Originally Posted by Vedni

The whole reason Blizzard doesn't step in is because there are so many grey situations, where there isn't a clear right or wrong. MS>OS is incredibly vague.

Like I said, they can still define it. i.e.:

"From this point forward, Blizzard GMs will take 'MS > OS' to mean the following...

1. Your main spec is considered to be the spec you are playing at the time of a boss's death
2. Your off spec is considered to be your currently-learned secondary spec (so DPS/healer can't take tank gear even if their class has a tank spec)
3. Highest roll wins with the exception of players who already have the item
etc."

Then, if people disagree with Blizzard's definition, they'll have to come up with a new definition to use, but in most cases the above definition would be sufficient.

I also don't think it's fair for a PUG to say "oh, I'll switch to heals if you need, but I still want to roll on DPS gear". You either accept the role you were allocated, or you re-queue.

Originally Posted by Vedni

It sucks getting ninjad, I've been the "victim" of such occurrences in pugs 3 times this year, but I completely and 100% understand why Blizzard chooses not to get involved on 99% of all loot quarrels.

Already 3 ninja raids in 2016? Harsh.

That seems unfair for those that grinded and just finished. At least I still had upgrades on this new character. I imagine a lot of people will feel betrayed.

The again the whole carrot on a stick might be better to not exist at all anyway.

I'm not against the idea I think this is great for alts with the Ring or those on a raiding break until Legion. Who want to max out their ring.

But I do think a better alternative would of been you received Crystallized Fel atleast once from Normal or above to be able to buy it.

Originally Posted by Kataroku

I also don't think it's fair for a PUG to say "oh, I'll switch to heals if you need, but I still want to roll on DPS gear". You either accept the role you were allocated, or you re-queue.

Why not? People in semi-guild runs do it often, so why not the pugger?

If they're willing to do a spec they may not prefer (or might already be geared for. They could be running to gear their OS) why should they then have to take only healer loot? Especially when healers can sometimes be hard to find.

Originally Posted by thorvath

I'm kind of surprised Blizz hasn't pulled the trigger on just making personal loot the only loot. I mean this expac proved they are plenty willing to simply decree 'you'll do it this way and you'll like it' and this seems like a no brainer.

No more ninjas, largely eliminates guild drama over loot, loot funneling would no longer be a thing (admittedly not a problem per se but I'd sure find the mythic race more interesting if there were a few guilds participating outside of the ones who are able to schedule multiple full clears in week 1). And on Blizz's end it would likely lead to people subbing for longer and get a longer lifespan out of a raid.

Personal Loot should never be forced on those who don't want to use it, but doesn't mean it can't be encouraged. Personal Loot is great for dungeons & shit for Raids imo. I think it would be best if given the choice of either, but also add in a barrier to prevent ninjas, when the RL wants to change the loot system everyone in the raid has to agree almost like a Ready Check. A RL can run his group as they please, but you dislike the rules than leave the group as than people can't complain about ninjas when they agreed with the change, a barrier for both RL & Group member. Now this would only be for groups made from the premade group finder, Any RL/GL outside of it would have full access to changing loot rules as they pleases.

Originally Posted by kornek21

Are you stupid or just a damn moron? Read what it says you idiot, you need to have gotten the legendary ring first before you can buy the fel.

You are the one being a stupid moron. What he ment by saying that it no longer requires any skill is that you wont be needing to kill archi on normal, heroic or mythic to upgrade it.

Originally Posted by Arbs

I'm not against the idea I think this is great for alts with the Ring or those on a raiding break until Legion. Who want to max out their ring.

But I do think a better alternative would of been you received Crystallized Fel atleast once from Normal or above to be able to buy it.

Yeah a you can only gain this after killing Archimonde at least once, but I gather they had their reasons for doing this which I would think give people a reason to log in and continue to cap their points after they have upgraded everything.. And it is good for those who have alts they are unable to get into their guilds raids..

Can we also have a currency convertor from Apexis to Valor please? I mean, if they're making it that easy anyway, go all out!

Originally Posted by Jonnusthegreat

Woot, no longer need skill for the legendary, just like all of last expansion!

Because grinding LFR to get it is a fucking shitstorm of hard content, right?

Can we buy more that one Crystalized Fel per week ?

I usually have trust in Blizzard and what they do but when it comes to loot issues I abandoned all hope. I used to be a firm believer in "if you get ninjaed, GMs will punish those who did it if you report it" until it actually happened to me. I was in a flex SoO-pug where the loot rules were stated MS>OS and highest roll wins (at least one of those rules should apply right). The healing trinket dropped from Sha and me and another healer rolled. I won the roll. The ML then gave the trinket to a mage in the group (same guild as himself). Both me and the other healer questioned this in the chat and the raidleader said "I gave it to the wrong person" and then he and the mage left the group.

Seemed clear to me that this was ninjalooting. Even if MS>OS is "vague" a mage has no use for a healing trinket and it was also stated that "highest roll wins" and the mage didnt roll at all. Add to that the Raidleader even admitted he "made a mistake" even if that was clearly BS. I made a ticket about this also stating that I would understand if I couldn't be given the item I had won but that I at least wanted some "justice" to show people who do stuff like this that there are repercussions.

The answer I got was basically that master-looters are masters of the loot and they can give items to whoever they seem fit, they might state "loot rules" in the chat but that doesn't mean that they can later "change their minds" and since they are loot masters they are "in their full right to do so".

Lost all faith in blizzard clearing up issues like this after that and I think twice about joining groups with ML after that. The fact that they added PL in legion (especially to raids as an option) is great for PUGs and the only loot type I accept nowadays if I can't run with a group I trust.

Originally Posted by tobindax

That seems unfair for those that grinded and just finished. At least I still had upgrades on this new character. I imagine a lot of people will feel betrayed.

The again the whole carrot on a stick might be better to not exist at all anyway.

It's just as unfair as it is to those who pay extra for early access to a game, only to have to watch others get it later on as well.

Originally Posted by robomatticus

BGs for the best PVE gear huh? Don't think so.

What he meant to say is "BGs offer the best PVE gear, available outside of latest content patch raids (excluding LFR)". LFR is itemized worse than the honor point gear.

Atleast the new Alpha is now confirmed to be a new build whenever it comes back up. I had a horrible feeling that they were just going to have the same build up after the holidays.

Originally Posted by Skraal

They you probably have a qwertz layout keyboard with a similar look to this.
https://support.apple.com/library/co...n_notebook.png

While those with a qwerty layout will look like this.
https://support.apple.com/library/co...l_notebook.png

The ?/ key next to your right shift on a qwerty keyboard does open chat and even automatically puts in the / command for you as well.

Or he's using any one of a number of different QWERTY layouts used outside of the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY

Fun fact, US QWERTY layout is also referred to as an ASCII keyboard in the standard defining its layout.

is there a requirement to buy the crys. fel?

Originally Posted by pphs

is there a requirement to buy the crys. fel?

Yes, you need to have 1250 Valor ;-)

Originally Posted by Shorteh

What he meant to say is "BGs offer the best PVE gear, available outside of latest content patch raids (excluding LFR)". LFR is itemized worse than the honor point gear.

I meant what I said. Honor gear is currently 700. LFR gear, when not warforged or anything, is 675/685. Even with both valor upgrades that's still 5ilvls below.