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Legion - Rogue Tier 19
Today we are taking a look at the Rogue Tier 19 sets.





Lunar Festival
There haven't been any changes to Lunar Festival since last year.



Healing Design in Legion
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Thanks for all the feedback. A few things:

1) It's definitely still intended that you consider mana costs in choosing heals. I wouldn't agree with the characterization that any changes (recent or otherwise) reflect an abandonment of this. It's widely accepted among players that mana became overly abundant at high ilvls in past expansions, which did in some cases undermine the resource management aspect. But the spell selections of each class are still made with the intention of mana being an important factor. They are in Legion just as they have been in the past, with the main change being to avoid having mana grow excessively generously throughout the expansion. Jumping ahead, trinkets are indeed one place where we may provide opporunities to invest in more mana. But mana regen will not be passively increasing by a large amount simply due to gear advancement, largely for these reasons.

6) Tranquility and Divine Hymn should still deliver significantly more healing than those players would typically do in 8 seconds. Having these sorts of spells (both the channeled and instant varieties) do "significantly more" than usual, as opposed to the overwhelming strength they have on live, might take some getting used to. But there is no reason they won't be strong and helpful spells to use either at specific high-damage encounter moments or simply because the player needs to catch up in a bad healing situation. In both of these cases, the intention is that the cooldowns don't completely supplant the normal healing gameplay, but give a boost to output at a key moment. On Tranquility and Divine Hymn in particular, the 8-second channel causes the biggest problem in the dungeon context, and both of these spells will do increased healing outside of raids to account for that.

The Aura talent row, Aura mastery spell, and corresponding artifact trait are all reworked in an upcoming patch. Among other things, we agree the trait giving Aura Mastery the effect of all three Auras eliminates too much of the significance of the talent choice.

7) We understand the importance of utility. I want to point out that on live, the dominance of Disc Priest and Paladin in the highest-level raiding is primarily due to their core healing function and not to unique non-healing utility (exception in some cases for Hand of Protection, but the removal of Clemency from all specs in Legion reduces that problem significantly). Avoiding a repeat situation where some healers feel left out of the most optimized Mythic healing groups is likely a question of balancing the actual heals, not of more incidental utility buttons such as Wind Rush, Tiger's Lust, Innervate and so on.

The artifact trait granting a 5% haste aura will also be changed before Holy Paladin is playable on alpha.

To illustrate with numbers: if 100 DPS is incoming and you have to choose between spending a little bit of mana to do 50 HPS, a medium amount of mana to do 125 HPS, or a large amount of mana to do 200 HPS, the correct choice is 125 HPS, but then every 5th second there's nothing to heal. All I am saying is that healers should be able to do something meaningful in this 5th second.
Note that even in your example, you could instead spend every 3rd second on your 50 HPS heal, and save a little mana over your solution (that never uses that heal and instead fills every 5th second with DPS). In any situation where healing and mana are a significant challenge, that gameplay is still present, and toolkits with different spells of varying efficiency provide opportunity for more skilled healers to know when and how much to use the cheaper options.

On 7) While I agree that HFC's healer composition issues stemmed largely from actual healing issues, I still think that more effort can be put towards ensuring that every healer has things they can do that are useful and "cool" beyond filling health bars. Similar to the above, it is less about power and more that it feels bad to be asked to justify why your spec should be brought when another spec brings X ability and not have an answer. Currently I think that HPriest/Druid/MW all have difficulty answering that question and while it may not matter much to people that have a good understanding of the entire healing picture, this topic holds a lot of sway when it comes to the general community's opinions on balance.
Again, nobody's denying the value of utility abilities that are fun to use (defined as you did in the OP as things other than healing output or equivalent shielding/damage-reduction). Merely trying to avoid conflating it with major healer balance concerns. To your point, even the Disc Priest in Warlords didn't justify being brought by some X factor that raid leaders had to have, other than their sheer volume of healing/shielding. Their extras like Body and Soul were comparatively minor. Similarly, something like Wind Rush isn't intended to dominate the importance of actual healing when deciding what classes or individuals to bring to a raid, and we'll examine it closely if it does. It likely won't, as it's somewhat weaker than the live spell Stampeding Roar (which hasn't had such an effect)--much smaller radius and no snare break (also a 2min cooldown which I believe you haven't seen yet).

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Any plans for something like the Lorewalker quests in Legion? One of my favorite parts of Pandaria
Thank you! We loved those. There's lots of custom storytelling for artifacts this time around, but no 'Lorewalker' equivalent (DaveKosak)

Druid (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
Glyph if stars is why Im a moonkin. And glyph if shadows is why my priest wears a bikini.>_>
The Glyph of Stars visual effect (along with a matching Solar variant) is used for the Blessing of the Ancients talent. (WarcraftDevs)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
but Light of the Martyr? At 12.5% of total mana, seems expensive for such a small net gain in healing. Will have to wait and see.
In addition to being a no-cooldown instant spell, the healing of LotM is increased by Crit and Mastery (while the damage is not). (WarcraftDevs)
However, one change that didn't make it into this build's data is that LotM will no longer flow through Beacon of Light. (WarcraftDevs)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
Forums have a tendency toward negativity, so I always take feedback with salt and pepper. But this level of uniformity is unusual.
Where is this feedback? I'm seeing virtually none so far. (Celestalon)
This thread in particular gets off to a poor start, but has some helpful posts in it: https://t.co/EY8ztY4d9S
.Oh. Reminder: Please post Alpha feedback in the Alpha forums. (Celestalon)
Yeah, w/ rogue stuff at least, I've seen a tendency for people to vent where they feel comfortable. (And less moderated, maybe.)
Venting is fine, but we do also want to get good, useful feedback. Another reminder: Tuning hasn't happened. Ignore numbers. (Celestalon)
this issue is far far from a tuning issue. The spec has been gutted and simplified to be utter garbage
Then I look forward to reading your good feedback! (Celestalon)

Ghostcrawler Tweets
Ghostcrawler still occasionally talks about WoW. Remember that he no longer works for or speaks for Blizzard.
Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
I hope your empathy improved since the "WoW Dungeons are Hard" article. ⊙︿⊙
That's why I wrote that article! Players were frustrated and confused about our intentions. (OccupyGStreet)
I thought (& still do) that using more of your class abilities and coordinating with your party was more fun and memorable. (OccupyGStreet)
But that didn't resonate with some players coming off of overgearing LK dungeons for valor runs. So we pivoted. (OccupyGStreet)
Was that the right choice? Players have been debating that topic ever since. ) (OccupyGStreet)
I do think I have become more empathetic over time though. (OccupyGStreet)



Warcraft Movie - UK Release Date
The UK release date of the Warcraft movie seems to have been pushed a little earlier.



Dark Legacy Comics #524
DLC #524 has been released.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Legion - Rogue Tier 19, Lunar Festival, Healing Design, Tweets, DLC #524 started by chaud View original post
Comments 62 Comments
  1. mmoc18f7b69303's Avatar
    Every. Single. Day. Mr.Gregstreet HAS something to say about wow.

    I mean, wow... -.-


    The black-silver version of the rogue set is badass.
  1. huehuehue's Avatar
    rogue set looks amazing.
  1. Ickabob's Avatar
    Really? Another hunter joke in Dark Legacy Comics? They must really dislike hunters.
  1. Sabrescene's Avatar
    The Glyph of Stars visual effect (along with a matching Solar variant) is used for the Blessing of the Ancients talent.
    Great. So after finally adding a way (minor glyph) to let balance druids see their transmogs, they're taking it away again and forcing them all back into moonkin form...
  1. Gnarilex's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrescene View Post
    Great. So after finally adding a way (minor glyph) to let balance druids see their transmogs, they're taking it away again and forcing them all back into moonkin form...
    Not excited about this. I like the updated moonkin models, but I like not using it more. Especially with what t19 for druids looks like. Now would be a great time to put in a minor glyph that allows us to stay as our race while in moonkin form and just apply the buff (you know, since they only added moonkin in because balance was the only druid spec in vanilla that lacked an animal form).
  1. schwarzkopf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ickabob View Post
    Really? Another hunter joke in Dark Legacy Comics? They must really dislike hunters.
    As someone who played 10 years with 250ms-500ms latency (before Oceanic servers), I took it as 'a latency joke' not a 'hunter joke'.

    I suppose we each choose our own butthurt
  1. Krekal's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrescene View Post
    Great. So after finally adding a way (minor glyph) to let balance druids see their transmogs, they're taking it away again and forcing them all back into moonkin form...
    Maybe they have a new hunter recruit
    & Don't fall for the hunter meme
  1. Muddler's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sabrescene View Post
    Great. So after finally adding a way (minor glyph) to let balance druids see their transmogs, they're taking it away again and forcing them all back into moonkin form...
    Welp. There goes my Balance druid for Legion. I was so looking forward to the Astral Power system of play but I cannot stand to be a fat ugly goofy bird thing. Nope. No way.
  1. mmoc0293aae75a's Avatar
    Havent played in years, why are there 6 versions of the t19 sets?
  1. Elfcap's Avatar
    Rogue set is grand.

    Also, I respect Mr. Street with all my heart. He is a nice guy, wish him all the best. But do we really need to show/read his tweets when it isn't (that) relevant anymore? I'm sure, current blue tweets and members are more germane in that case.
  1. cursero's Avatar
    If the movie release before on the UK, it will arrive 2 hours later to Mexico.
  1. mmoc59b5827c7e's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Elfcap View Post
    Rogue set is grand.

    Also, I respect Mr. Street with all my heart. He is a nice guy, wish him all the best. But do we really need to show/read his tweets when it isn't (that) relevant anymore? I'm sure, current blue tweets and members are more germane in that case.
    There are NO current blue tweets that MMO-Champion doesn't post. This is how bad current devs communicate with us. Oh and don't want to listen to Street? Maybe start ignoring him, since you aren't the centre of the universe and your problems are obsolete.
  1. ruga's Avatar
    Release date for Switzerland (German Speaking part) is on 26.5.2016 (and there'll be showings on 25th already)
  1. Holycrap1's Avatar
    If you can't be arsed to write a proper feedback post on the alpha forums, why are you spamming devs on twiter. god damn this whining is so out of hand
  1. Denkou's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jawz View Post
    Every. Single. Day. Mr.Gregstreet HAS something to say about wow.

    I mean, wow... -.-


    The black-silver version of the rogue set is badass.
    Check the date on those tweets. They're from his Twitter Q&A literally WEEKS ago, so are all of the other tweets you see on frontpage MMO-C news. It's not new at all, somehow they just want to only post a few at a time for reasons unknown to me. Stirring the pot, maybe?

    Rogue set looks AMAZING. First tier set in long time that I've been genuinely impressed with.
  1. Gnarilex's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Holycrap1 View Post
    If you can't be arsed to write a proper feedback post on the alpha forums, why are you spamming devs on twiter. god damn this whining is so out of hand
    It's one of the avenues to give feedback to the devs. Anyone who doesn't have access to the alpha can't post on the alpha forums. Maybe you should use some common sense before claiming a tweet is needless whining.
  1. rogueMatthias's Avatar
    Damn that's a tidy Rogue set.

    I might have to actually do some PVP to get the Elite PVP set :/
  1. mmoc78e9842c0f's Avatar
    Did I miss something? Are minor Glyphs gone in Legion?

    wowhead.com/spell=114301/glyph-of-stars
  1. tristannarutofan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Jawz View Post
    Every. Single. Day. Mr.Gregstreet HAS something to say about wow.

    I mean, wow... -.-


    The black-silver version of the rogue set is badass.
    when people ask you questions its often polite to answer them. your problem is with the plebs that keep going to the guy who got so stressed out by people saying he was ruining wow that he tried to quit twitter for a week, for reasons to confirm their biases against blizzard.
  1. mmoc5461ee9f4c's Avatar
    It took nearly 10 years to beat the bloodfang armor.
    Now the time has come!

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