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Legion - Rogue Tier 19
Today we are taking a look at the Rogue Tier 19 sets.





Lunar Festival
There haven't been any changes to Lunar Festival since last year.



Healing Design in Legion
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Thanks for all the feedback. A few things:

1) It's definitely still intended that you consider mana costs in choosing heals. I wouldn't agree with the characterization that any changes (recent or otherwise) reflect an abandonment of this. It's widely accepted among players that mana became overly abundant at high ilvls in past expansions, which did in some cases undermine the resource management aspect. But the spell selections of each class are still made with the intention of mana being an important factor. They are in Legion just as they have been in the past, with the main change being to avoid having mana grow excessively generously throughout the expansion. Jumping ahead, trinkets are indeed one place where we may provide opporunities to invest in more mana. But mana regen will not be passively increasing by a large amount simply due to gear advancement, largely for these reasons.

6) Tranquility and Divine Hymn should still deliver significantly more healing than those players would typically do in 8 seconds. Having these sorts of spells (both the channeled and instant varieties) do "significantly more" than usual, as opposed to the overwhelming strength they have on live, might take some getting used to. But there is no reason they won't be strong and helpful spells to use either at specific high-damage encounter moments or simply because the player needs to catch up in a bad healing situation. In both of these cases, the intention is that the cooldowns don't completely supplant the normal healing gameplay, but give a boost to output at a key moment. On Tranquility and Divine Hymn in particular, the 8-second channel causes the biggest problem in the dungeon context, and both of these spells will do increased healing outside of raids to account for that.

The Aura talent row, Aura mastery spell, and corresponding artifact trait are all reworked in an upcoming patch. Among other things, we agree the trait giving Aura Mastery the effect of all three Auras eliminates too much of the significance of the talent choice.

7) We understand the importance of utility. I want to point out that on live, the dominance of Disc Priest and Paladin in the highest-level raiding is primarily due to their core healing function and not to unique non-healing utility (exception in some cases for Hand of Protection, but the removal of Clemency from all specs in Legion reduces that problem significantly). Avoiding a repeat situation where some healers feel left out of the most optimized Mythic healing groups is likely a question of balancing the actual heals, not of more incidental utility buttons such as Wind Rush, Tiger's Lust, Innervate and so on.

The artifact trait granting a 5% haste aura will also be changed before Holy Paladin is playable on alpha.

To illustrate with numbers: if 100 DPS is incoming and you have to choose between spending a little bit of mana to do 50 HPS, a medium amount of mana to do 125 HPS, or a large amount of mana to do 200 HPS, the correct choice is 125 HPS, but then every 5th second there's nothing to heal. All I am saying is that healers should be able to do something meaningful in this 5th second.
Note that even in your example, you could instead spend every 3rd second on your 50 HPS heal, and save a little mana over your solution (that never uses that heal and instead fills every 5th second with DPS). In any situation where healing and mana are a significant challenge, that gameplay is still present, and toolkits with different spells of varying efficiency provide opportunity for more skilled healers to know when and how much to use the cheaper options.

On 7) While I agree that HFC's healer composition issues stemmed largely from actual healing issues, I still think that more effort can be put towards ensuring that every healer has things they can do that are useful and "cool" beyond filling health bars. Similar to the above, it is less about power and more that it feels bad to be asked to justify why your spec should be brought when another spec brings X ability and not have an answer. Currently I think that HPriest/Druid/MW all have difficulty answering that question and while it may not matter much to people that have a good understanding of the entire healing picture, this topic holds a lot of sway when it comes to the general community's opinions on balance.
Again, nobody's denying the value of utility abilities that are fun to use (defined as you did in the OP as things other than healing output or equivalent shielding/damage-reduction). Merely trying to avoid conflating it with major healer balance concerns. To your point, even the Disc Priest in Warlords didn't justify being brought by some X factor that raid leaders had to have, other than their sheer volume of healing/shielding. Their extras like Body and Soul were comparatively minor. Similarly, something like Wind Rush isn't intended to dominate the importance of actual healing when deciding what classes or individuals to bring to a raid, and we'll examine it closely if it does. It likely won't, as it's somewhat weaker than the live spell Stampeding Roar (which hasn't had such an effect)--much smaller radius and no snare break (also a 2min cooldown which I believe you haven't seen yet).

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Any plans for something like the Lorewalker quests in Legion? One of my favorite parts of Pandaria
Thank you! We loved those. There's lots of custom storytelling for artifacts this time around, but no 'Lorewalker' equivalent (DaveKosak)

Druid (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
Glyph if stars is why Im a moonkin. And glyph if shadows is why my priest wears a bikini.>_>
The Glyph of Stars visual effect (along with a matching Solar variant) is used for the Blessing of the Ancients talent. (WarcraftDevs)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
but Light of the Martyr? At 12.5% of total mana, seems expensive for such a small net gain in healing. Will have to wait and see.
In addition to being a no-cooldown instant spell, the healing of LotM is increased by Crit and Mastery (while the damage is not). (WarcraftDevs)
However, one change that didn't make it into this build's data is that LotM will no longer flow through Beacon of Light. (WarcraftDevs)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
Forums have a tendency toward negativity, so I always take feedback with salt and pepper. But this level of uniformity is unusual.
Where is this feedback? I'm seeing virtually none so far. (Celestalon)
This thread in particular gets off to a poor start, but has some helpful posts in it: https://t.co/EY8ztY4d9S
.Oh. Reminder: Please post Alpha feedback in the Alpha forums. (Celestalon)
Yeah, w/ rogue stuff at least, I've seen a tendency for people to vent where they feel comfortable. (And less moderated, maybe.)
Venting is fine, but we do also want to get good, useful feedback. Another reminder: Tuning hasn't happened. Ignore numbers. (Celestalon)
this issue is far far from a tuning issue. The spec has been gutted and simplified to be utter garbage
Then I look forward to reading your good feedback! (Celestalon)

Ghostcrawler Tweets
Ghostcrawler still occasionally talks about WoW. Remember that he no longer works for or speaks for Blizzard.
Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
I hope your empathy improved since the "WoW Dungeons are Hard" article. ⊙︿⊙
That's why I wrote that article! Players were frustrated and confused about our intentions. (OccupyGStreet)
I thought (& still do) that using more of your class abilities and coordinating with your party was more fun and memorable. (OccupyGStreet)
But that didn't resonate with some players coming off of overgearing LK dungeons for valor runs. So we pivoted. (OccupyGStreet)
Was that the right choice? Players have been debating that topic ever since. ) (OccupyGStreet)
I do think I have become more empathetic over time though. (OccupyGStreet)



Warcraft Movie - UK Release Date
The UK release date of the Warcraft movie seems to have been pushed a little earlier.



Dark Legacy Comics #524
DLC #524 has been released.

This article was originally published in forum thread: Legion - Rogue Tier 19, Lunar Festival, Healing Design, Tweets, DLC #524 started by chaud View original post
Comments 62 Comments
  1. papajohn4's Avatar
    Every day they have a new "surprise"... Now is the glyph of stars..and i really liked how they will change balance druid but i am not playing without glyph of stars...
  1. TheEaterofSouls's Avatar
    Since it's not coming to the US 1st, ill probably pirate it so I can watch it early. Then if it's good I'll see it in better quality at the movies on my birthday.
  1. Redecle's Avatar
    Even though the rogue set was seen ages ago already..
    But that thing is still awesome.

    Without a doubt the best thing going on for rogues in Legion is that set.
    Which is kind of weird since we haven't gotten a decent looking tier sets in like 10 years.

    The artifacts are near all horrible, few assassination ones go with the tier set, others garbage.
    Outlaw becoming pirates, worst idea ever, although the balancing is not done, the spec speed is so slow.
    Sub currently is totally gutted.

    Basically all i can say is thank you to the tier art team!
    Rest go back to the drawing board.
  1. Woa's Avatar
    Wait, the movie is called "The Beginning"? SWEET! WE'RE GONNA GET ANOTHER ONE IN TEN YEARS!
  1. Thundermoose's Avatar
    Incredible Rogue set.

    Oh I forgot, I play a Troll. Never mind.
  1. collide7's Avatar
    I wish so bad that I could throw in my 2 cents into that healing design in legion post but im not in the alpha. Literally every word the OP, and then people responding about it, considering healer utility is so incredibly important and spot on and MUST! be paid attention to by Blizzard. Resto Druid, Holy Priest, and MW Monk are all just throughput only healers, and have no extra buttons at all. Something needs to change. I haven't played this game for all of WoD because im a resto druid that does nothing but throw heals. If all I am is a throughput healer, then I need to be -significantly- higher in heals to other healers who possess this utility, otherwise why bring me? The answer is you wouldn't.

    Its a pretty simple scenario:

    1: Hi Do you have an answer for this spell?

    2: No.

    1: Ok thanks for your time! We're gonna go with someone who does.

    2: ...
  1. The Council's Avatar
    Nice rogue set
  1. mmoca8d97d7c73's Avatar
    Had to make an account just to express my opinion regarding the rogue set.

    "Spot on!"

    Really fits the rogue motif. For a long time I haven't seen such 'roguish' armor sets, in particular the first two.
    Shoulders aren't so bulky; the dark colours and the smoke; the chest's texture resembling daggers; the mask and hood emphasizing the inherent aggressiveness of rogues (kinda looks like those creepy creatures in LOTR, doesn't it?), although the blue set armor's head reminds me of mages perhaps because of the golden fringe?
    All in all, very good!
  1. vicky82's Avatar
    I'm so glad Warcraft was moved forward to May 30th, otherwise it would have been TMNT 2 vs Warcraft on June 3rd and most likely TMNT 2 would of beaten Warcraft for no 1 spot and I want both movies to do well.
  1. Nerevar's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by TheEaterofSouls View Post
    Since it's not coming to the US 1st, ill probably pirate it so I can watch it early. Then if it's good I'll see it in better quality at the movies on my birthday.
    What's the point of watching camrip, it's shit quality.
  1. Aelric70's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerevar View Post
    What's the point of watching camrip, it's shit quality.
    Because you can judge the quality of the story and acting in any vid quality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jawz View Post
    So then its MMO-C who dose GC-cleverness in little portions, so we can have our share every day... Good to know.
    For those who hate GC, Chaud is just trolling you ;-)
  1. mmoc735c4b29f4's Avatar
    Nice rogue set. That class had always one of the best sets
  1. manypillars's Avatar
    Since they're not going to listen to the plebs like us, I hope someone on the Alpha forums convinces them that taking away Glyph of the Stars sucks. I love me some moonkin form, but I understand that many people don't and that their class fantasy doesn't involving being an awesome, shrieking, laser shooting, moon powered chicken.
  1. Rakali's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by manypillars View Post
    Since they're not going to listen to the plebs like us, I hope someone on the Alpha forums convinces them that taking away Glyph of the Stars sucks. I love me some moonkin form, but I understand that many people don't and that their class fantasy doesn't involving being an awesome, shrieking, laser shooting, moon powered chicken.
    Yup. I liked being able to change the appearance of my armor, and not look like a friggin laz0r chiken. If they actually take this away, I'll either A) always be using that talent, regardless of how bad it is, or B) I won't be playing balance. Superficial? Sure. But the way my character looks is important to me.
  1. Torched's Avatar
    Now that´s a Rogue set.
  1. Treno's Avatar
    So the WowDev twitter posted this yesterday, a few days after the above tweet about astral form. https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/sta...95753246642177

    So it looks like astral form will still be available as an alternate effect to moonkin form.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    I find it very easy to scroll past the ghostcrawler tweets when I read the posts. It's infinitely harder to ignore all the fucking bitching and whining about the ghostcrawler tweets in the comments. Get the fuck over it.
  1. Sabrescene's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Treno View Post
    So the WowDev twitter posted this yesterday, a few days after the above tweet about astral form. https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/sta...95753246642177

    So it looks like astral form will still be available as an alternate effect to moonkin form.
    I didn't see that one but I did just see a response from Lore on the official forums (http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...4672?page=3#45)
    So, to clear the air a bit, here’s our current plan:
    -Glyph of Stars will be a minor glyph for Moonkin Form, which gives it the same Astral Form effect as on live (where you stay in caster form with a blue translucent visual).
    -The Blessing of the Ancients buffs will have lunar/solar visuals that apply to your current form (whether it be humanoid or Moonkin).
    -We’re still discussing on how the coloring effects will work if you have both Glyph of Stars and Blessing of the Ancients.
  1. Tjur's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Cavox View Post
    I'm so bored of these blue-PR posts.
    I've been reading the same things over and over again for the past 10 years.
    Each time they say IT matters, they know about IT, they listen to fans, they consider X, they want Y.
    Saying a lot of words without saying anything meaningful. They'll make the same mistakes again, they'll screw something up again, they'll prove they don't know how to repeat Vanilla, TBC and WotLK successes AGAIN.
    They'll say anything you want to hear as long as you buy the game and shut up.
    This. I asked for a refund for the Digital Deluxe for Legion last night- got it refunded today.

    I am holding out hope that Legion will blow me away. But I am putting the ball in Blizzard's court and making the decision to play Legion only after the first fiscal quarter after it is released. We still are not seeing any proof Blizzard intends to give us a complete expansion and trusting them to do so again would be foolish as hell.

    I fully expect them to market the bejezus out of Legion, get their windfall of expansion sales and the first few months of subs racked in and then start hinting they have to work on the next expansion. "If you want the new, better expansion, you cannot expect us to create major patches for Legion. We told a great story in Legion.. blah, blah, blah."

    Reading the same nonsense, PR Blue Posts and smug, smartass CM Tweets, combined with the reversal concerning refunds with the Digital Deluxe if you purchased the CE, I just gave up for now.

    I am thinking of locking toons at 80, 85, and 90 and finding other similar players to run dungeons and raids a couple nights a week until my sub runs out again.
  1. mmocf6edb8744c's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aelric70 View Post
    Because you can judge the quality of the story and acting in any vid quality?

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    For those who hate GC, Chaud is just trolling you ;-)
    So you pre-watch your movies to judge if they're worth watching. Then spend more time watching the actual movie if it passes your test?

    Logic. Like.. What the actual fuck? Learn to enjoy yourself man, that's a pretty shitty way to go through life. If you're excited to see the film, go see it, don't watch some TERRIBLE cam rip...

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