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Legion - Respec Cost Removed
The costs to change specs and talents are changing in the next Legion build:

  • Changing specs in Legion will no longer cost gold!
  • Changing talents will be free in a city or your Order Hall.
  • Changing talents out in the field will require a reagent crafted by Inscription with a cost aimed at groups.
  • Currently, talent changes are free and instant out of combat, which isn't restrictive enough.
  • In the current build the system that is going away worked like this:
    • You could change from any spec to your primary spec for free, with your primary spec set at a class trainer.
    • Your first respec was free, with a cooldown of less than 24 hours to reset the cost to free again.
    • After that, respecs were 19, 39, 58, and capping at 78, with a 24 hour cooldown to drop one cost level each time you changed specs.

Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We've definitely heard much feedback to this effect, and this is something we'd been discussing quite a bit internally as well over the past couple of weeks. In an upcoming build (hopefully the next one; if not, then the one after), the respec cost is gone, and players can freely switch between all specializations with the normal restrictions of cast-time, needing to be out of combat, and so forth.

Ultimately, the intent behind the respec cost (which isn't really a new concept, dating back to 2004 class trainers) was to help reinforce a bit of spec identity through declaring a "primary" spec to which you could always return for free, and to serve as a mild gold sink. But in practice, changing specialization is a pretty significant transformation in terms of action bars, optimal gear in some cases, artifacts, and so forth, and already not something that people were taking lightly. I suspect the cost will not be missed.

An area that has appeared to need a bit more friction, however, is actually talent changes. Especially with no reagent cost at all now, it can be all too easy to activate AoE talents before larger packs of enemies in a dungeon, and then switch back to single-target talents before a lieutenant or a boss. Or someone might switch to a passive movement-speed talent when traversing an area, and then back to something functional before entering combat. At that point, we're often hardly talking about a meaningful choice at all, but rather a nuisance of extra button-presses or UI navigation before you can use your desired talents.

And so, alongside removing the respec cost, that same upcoming build will also restrict the ability to change talents when away from a safe area (defined as an area that provides the Rested state). We currently plan to give Scribes a recipe to craft a consumable Tome that can be dropped in order to allow all nearby players to retalent freely for a time - particularly useful for group play.

A couple of clarifications, one of which will probably be a relief and the other likely less so: The Inscription consumable as currently planned would be something that anyone could drop, not a profession-requiring item like a Jeeves. But, in terms of the materials required, we're thinking of something that's more aimed at groups, and probably not the sort of thing an individual is likely to carry a stack of and use freely.

This is clearly more restrictive than the way it works in Warlords. Why would we ever add restrictions to something like this? Do we just sit around and amuse ourselves by thinking of things to take away from players? (We don't.)

Ultimately, for a choice to be meaningful there has to be some associated cost or trade-off in the process. Do you want to eat your cake, or do you want to save it for another time? If you could do both, that wouldn't be much of a choice.

When it comes to talents, which serve the primary purpose of customization and differentiation, consider two extremes in terms of how they could be handled. Please, take a moment to think through the following scenarios:

First, what if you could switch talents freely, at any time, including while in combat? You'd effectively no longer have a talent system - you'd have a spellbook with another 21 active and passive abilities in it, with keybinds to swap between them as needed. Every player of a given spec would have identical capabilities, with some cumbersome interface management required to swap among them on the fly.

Second, what if you could literally never switch talents, short of making a brand new character? Choosing a talent would be a far, far weightier choice than any decision you currently make in the game (other than choosing your starting class, I suppose). Some favored cookie-cutter specs would emerge, but with 2187 different permutations of talents, there'd be significantly more variety among players. But some niche talents would likely go almost entirely unused (though players who did choose them would be invaluable when those situations arose). And feeling like you'd made a mistake, and were stuck with one or more talents that you didn't like at all, might completely sour your enjoyment of a character.

Anyway, we are of course doing neither of those things, but there's a full spectrum of choice that lies in between. We've generally moved away from the second scenario and closer to the first over time (years and years back, respecs were so expensive in relative terms that players often waited for class changes to automatically refund their talents rather than spend the gold to move a point around). Other than the combat restrictions, the live game is not terribly far off from the first scenario.

There's still a fair bit of thought that goes into which talents to select for a raid encounter, where you're in combat for several minutes in a row and facing a variety of threats, and you may have to weigh whether you want better AoE damage for minions in the first phase, or better single-target burst later in the fight; whether you want a passive movement-speed increase for higher overall uptime, or an on-demand active movement ability in case you get targeted by a specific troublesome ability; and so forth.

But most other content, whether it's a single quest boss out in the world, or a dungeon that breaks down to a series of sub-1-minute combats, don't offer nearly that much variety. And so you take the AoE talent for the AoE pack, and the single-target talent for the lone boss, to the point that you might as well just have both of them all the time, which might be powerful, but wouldn't be a choice.

I am actually relieved to hear that a scribe is not a necessity. But what I would like to know is if PvP is being kept in mind. For example, I might throw on my PvP gear to do a battleground. Let's say that takes me 15 minutes. After that, I'm being called to a raid. I need to change out my talents - twice because as we all know, there are certain talents that are better for PvP and certain talents that are better for PvE. I'm not really going to use spring blossoms in PvP due to movement but I might in PvE depending on the encounter.
In this case, if you're returning to any safe area (your Class Order Hall, Dalaran, Stormwind, or whatever) in between activities, you could change talents freely with no cooldown, cost, or other restriction. The Inscription consumable would only come into play if you wanted to change talent out on the fly, in the field.

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Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Character Skin Color Options
I've had plenty of friends who would like a more diverse style of skin choices for many races, humans included. I don't see this as far-fetched feedback by any means.

One of the earliest ideas in RPGs was to create a character modeled after yourself in a fantasy world, where you can go on these spectacular adventures that aren't possible in the real world - the current choices can be limiting in this sense in various situations. Many people who are asking for these additions, among others, simply want a more customizable experience, and there is no harm in that.

Anyways, I've passed this feedback along to the Development team. Let's keep the conversation civil and we will keep this thread open for more feedback and discussion! (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Tabards in the Wardrobe
Yep, just to confirm that Tabards will be part of the Transmogrification Wardrobe in Legion. Rejoice, such free inventory, much space, amaze! (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Legion Beta Server Issues
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Dalaran Underbelly Disabled
In order to address issues with Dalaran NPCs suddenly disappearing, we've decided to disable the Underbelly subzone for the time being. Players with characters saved in that zone will be ported out upon initial login. We're currently investigating permanent solutions to dissapearing NPCs and should have the issue resolved in an upcoming patch.

Due to this change, Subtlety Rogue artifact acquisition questlines will be roadblocked for now. If you experience any other roadblocked questlines with this change, please let us know in your comments below.

Thanks for your patience everyone! (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

World Server Down
We are working on fixing this right now. Server team is doing battle with an issue impacting Dalaran which is causing it to crash, reboot, crash. Hoping to fix it soon™

Our success in fixing some of the underlying phasing issues seems to uncovered this bug that was previously hidden. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Server Lag
Yes, we are attempting to slay these lag inducing bugs now as well.

Had a quick question if you don't mind Yad, after I finished my Helheim quests on my DH and we got beamed up I dc'ed and cant log back in at all just to that one char. I managed to log in once and my screen is white and it says I'm stunned cant do anything and it dc'ed again. Was wondering if that's happening to everyone or any chance I can get a teleport for my char Laeroth. Thank you!
Happening to many right now. Something else we are working on... It has been a busy day, hehe.

TLDR there are many issues affecting servers which are being fixed right now in parallel. As a result we are frequently restarting servers to pickup changes. Some of these changes are leading to new or previously unknown issues that we then have to fix. Currently playing whack-a-bug. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Phasing Issues
We've had team members looking at the underlying causes of the phasing issues over the weekend and today. The good news is that as we've been digging in to find the root of the problem we've fixed dozens of issues in the system. While we're not confident that we've fixed the root cause once and for all yet we've seen this issue improving throughout the day on the Beta realms from some of the changes we've been making.

We are still on this and it is a very high priority for us and this experience with the launch of Beta has been extremely valuable to us not only for exposing this issue but also the myriad of other load driven problems that have been uncovered thanks to the high volume of players.

We hope to have this resolved soon so people can get back to testing out the content itself rather than being gated by disconnects and phase issues. We've been actively applying fixes for both to the server and clients throughout the day. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

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Comments 102 Comments
  1. mmoc8b73989e52's Avatar
    About the talent restrictions:

    Maybe instead of making it so restricted (going to a safe zone or needing expensive reagents), they could add a cooldown per tier long enough to stop people abusing it in the way they described, and short enough to not be too much of a nuisance.
  1. mmoc59b5827c7e's Avatar
    Have fun Warlocks and Raid Leader to wait for everyone to respec & being ported back before every boss. Oh god, this is like the perfect example on why some people just shouldnt have Lead Designing positions over there at Blizzard.
  1. Zyranthian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by UcanDoSht View Post
    Changing talents doesn't need a freaking cooldown or a reagent cost aimed at groups. I don't know what Blizzard is smoking - they are trying to do everything to make this game less fun. The point of the new talent system was it's convenience, but now we've to return to safe points? Wtf
    The point of the new talent system was never convenience, I'm not sure where you pulled that from. The driving goal behind it has always been to make talent choices interesting and meaningful again, which if you read the post, is the same goal behind this change too.
  1. ombus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebiroth99 View Post
    You're talking about changing your primary spec. I haven't seen the problem you describe since we got dual-spec, because a (say) a warrior can have a tank and DPS spec and freely switch between them

    They only needed to visit a trainer if they wanted to change the primary spec to a different one. Since we have dual spec characters, once you chose your two hardly anyone ever did that since most did not want three.

    Like I said, they are making something most people don't do at all, or only very rarely, easier and cheaper, whilst making something most people want and need to do very often more annoying and expensive

    And it is all about increasing the grinding requirements.


    Blizz want you in there all day every day, simple. They don't want you logging in a few hours a week for raids. That's why we have reps, legendary grinds, artefact power grinds, potions, flasks, gems, etc.

    OH MY GOD !!! is like blizzard is telling you to play the game !!!!! sound the alarm !!! red alert !!! -.- ..
  1. mmoceb1073a651's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mic_128 View Post
    I'm sorry, but as a guy who likes to both DPS and heal (And I'm sure everyone else out there who has a Warrior, Death Knight, Paladin, Druid, Shaman, Monk or Priest) we change specs more than talents. Making a gold cost would make me think twice about offering to change rolls in a raid, as I'm sure a vast many would have as well.

    Changing talents on a fight-by-fight basis for min-maxing might be desired, but it's not as big a changer as having to wait an extra half-hour to find a healer because the guy who already changed from heals to DPS doesn't want to have to change back for an hour before 'Bob' comes back. If you have to, either buy the inscription item or just get a summon (Warlock/Summon stone) once you hearth/portal out and change.
    This is true for me as well. With my hybrid classes, I have either Heal/DPS or Tank/DPS combinations (sometimes even Tank/Heal), and I switch between specs often, but don't switch much between talents. With pure DPS, I have dualspec, but tend to stick to my favorite spec, because I only have optimised gear for my main spec, and also the most gaming experience.

    For me, costs for switching specs are detrimental, because I already am fixated on my main spec with better gear (and in Legion also with the Artifact weapon). I don't mind reagent costs for switching talents, especially when they are designed this way, so a whole group benefits from one consumable. Raiding guilds already have an infrastructure for such things, so they will not be affected that much.
  1. Life-Binder's Avatar
    lol so now

    - spec changing is free
    - talent changing is free in cities/order halls


    and people STILL bitch ?

    cleanse humanity right now, NOW
  1. ombus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by UcanDoSht View Post
    Have fun Warlocks and Raid Leader to wait for everyone to respec & being ported back before every boss. Oh god, this is like the perfect example on why some people just shouldnt have Lead Designing positions over there at Blizzard.
    its the perfect example that the community winnes anything... for god sake.. 78 gold.. for 78 gold they cry to change the spec swap... gold cap is 10 million !!! in 10 minutes you have 5 times 78 gold ! ... its like gold is hard to get right now or what ?
  1. klaghatagh's Avatar
    Congratulations, people whining about MUH GOLDS when asked to pay a pittance for changing your spec: you got us something extra annoying. So thank you.

    That said, this is worse. It's now easier to change your SPEC than it is to change a TALENT. The former should force you to jump through hoops; the latter expects you to change talents frequently.
  1. mmoc82e782b950's Avatar
    Seems simple to me that the talent trees are specifically designed to allow you to tailor your abilities to a given situation, like Diablo. This is annoying in of itself (but only mildly), why make it so much worse by requiring a not-inexpensive item we have to create at the beginning and end of every single fight, that ends up being wildly inefficient for solo play?

    It's obnoxious.
  1. Bannik254's Avatar
    I actually thought this wasn't necessarily a bad idea, I mean, as it was the gold cost was so small it may as well not even exist since the purpose of a gold sink mechanic is to, well, sink gold, and having the cost remain 92G while players are rolling in millions doesn't really seem much of a gold sink if you ask me.

    I think Blizzard was faced with the decision of either increasing the price for respeccing, or removing it entirely. And personally, I would have prefered the cost to increase a hundredfold, locking players into roles again, god forbid, but the modern player would never accept that, alas.
  1. mmocd21ac091b7's Avatar
    Really? Making talent hoices "meaningful"? Now that's rich, after such a long time just needing the apropiate reagent to change them around (easy, cheap, needs out of combat). I'm personally disgusted with the anounced changes 'cuz I change talents a lot (rogue here); set the optimal ones for each raid encounter (not too many changes really), change the survival one for outdoor/soloing old content, many changes (including glyphs, not important as they're going away) while soloing Pandaria 25h raids on a boss per boss basis...hell, I even take Shuriken toss in the drake event in DS before Ultraxion just to make it quiker (could do with class trinket and the 20y Eviscerate but bite me...) and I could go on quite a bit more about this.
    So, forcing me to a safe zone or using some item aimed at "groups" in terms of time/reagents (think feasts in WotLK or cauldron in...was it Cata? yeah we grinded for it with the whole raid xD) instead of just out of combat and having a stock of vanishing powder/tome of the clear mind to do it sounds like they are taking away part of my freedom...kinda.
    Now, in terms of making your choices meaningful (more) I can somewhat see why they're doing something like that, and obviously I get most of the implications making them instant & free (just one I just thought of; if it was so, everyone would expect everyone to change on the fly between trash, boss, whatever, always getting the best talents for a given moment in the dungeon, raid, everywhere and ppl thad won't, like me, too lazy changing from one trash to another will be seen as inferior or similar, gimping the group and kicked out...).
    End result, I'm not convinced but hey, it's their game and we are still playing for a reason so let's just hope they do it in a way that won't make us change our own way of playing the game (not talking classes here, in any way).
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    I'm being completely honest here. I don't think the devs even play the game. If they did, they wouldn't make asinine changes like what they just did to talents. Some classes have to change their talents every fucking fight. They'd know that if they even played this game.
  1. Mic_128's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebiroth99 View Post
    You're talking about changing your primary spec. I haven't seen the problem you describe since we got dual-spec, because a (say) a warrior can have a tank and DPS spec and freely switch between them
    Except that in Legion Alpha, Duel Spec was removed and you paid an increasing gold cost every time you wanted to change spec. Need someone to swap heal for a fight? They had to pay about 500g to swap and swap back.
  1. mmoc3d7f422663's Avatar
    "respect cost"

    that made me giggle
  1. ombus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mic_128 View Post
    Except that in Legion Alpha, Duel Spec was removed and you paid an increasing gold cost every time you wanted to change spec. Need someone to swap heal for a fight? They had to pay about 500g to swap and swap back.

    500g !!! ????? where does it says it cost 500g to change spec ? .. it says 78g the most expensive after several swaps !! ...
  1. Tenjen's Avatar
    . I see no biggy, this is a welcome change and the "restrictions" make sense and arent a big issue. We have an item now for switching talents around and in legion we'll have a group item for switching talents around between bosses and stuff during raids. Plenty of inns and cities around to switch them for questing areas.
  1. mmoc18e6a734ba's Avatar
    Legion reminds me of cataclysm release : "game was too fun in WOTLK so we removed QoL stuff to make the game more enjoyable". Sometimes I can't help to think blizzard has no idea anymore of what is fun and what isn't in WoW.
  1. ryudaraku's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Life-Binder View Post
    lol so now

    - spec changing is free
    - talent changing is free in cities/order halls


    and people STILL bitch ?

    cleanse humanity right now, NOW
    You don't understand why it is a stupid idea, some specs have very situational talents that are incredibly powerful in that situation.

    Like Unholy Death Knights and Epidemic, that means a trip to a Main City or Class Hall in the middle of the raid. "Oh look lets hold up the raid for 5 minutes while one guy has to derp around" so basically limiting things to free changes subsidizes Inscriptionists or makes warlocks a must have for every raid team. If they are going to make a cost to switch around talents go back to Tomes of the Mind so I can buy 3 stacks and not have to worry about it.
  1. ombus's Avatar
    and later people ask for vanilla xD
  1. Mic_128's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ombus View Post
    500g !!! ????? where does it says it cost 500g to change spec ? .. it says 78g the most expensive after several swaps !! ...
    It started at 500g

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