Legion - Max Camera Distance Reduction

Ability pruning, a more simplified control scheme, taking alot of what's in Diablo 3 & implementing it into WOW [Talents, Transmog system, a similar randomised loot system with Legionaries], the "Action Cam", pushing to make the game less reliant on addons & so on etc. It's all being simplified more for one reason only.

It's all too obvious Blizzard are doing these changes in order to set the game up for consoles, & I'm suprised I haven't seen more convo about it over the forums in recent years. They've lost over 40% of their player base in one expansion alone, of course they're trying to take measures to make an extra buck, it's business right. lol The thing that will be interesting to see come Legion, & this is evident from WOD alone, is that the WOW community ain't all sheep. They will express themselves & shun the game if Blizzard annoys them enough with silly changes, & this is a silly change to say the least! Legion will be interesting indeed hehe

What the heck?

I understand too many abilities or flying affect game in bad way, but zoom? Zoom is harmless.

We are long past stone age when 1024x768 was amazingly high resolution. Today's displays are more than twice bigger than that. I'm playing on iMac 27 at 2560x1440, when zoomed in to default levels everything becomes huge and I can easily see ugliness of low resolution textures. Zooming out makes world more beautiful. I can only imagine how 5k display owners will feel about this change.

Originally Posted by Mormolyce

Can't people just set the camera distance to the respective levels on live servers?

Totally could if I knew how to affect the changes properly on live. I've literally only got two zoom options no matter how I combine the commands - the super-zoomed in (which isn't the right one because it got buffed slightly on the PTR) and the max distance one, and nothing between, despite setting these options:

cameraDistanceMaxFactor to 1.9
cameraSavedDistance to 28.5

as are their new max values. I can only assume it's because CameraDistanceMax isn't removed yet (and it's taking priority over the other two), but I'm not sure what value to set it at to create the new effect.

FUCK this awful change.

Honestly I don't really give a shit what they try to force. I'll be zooming out. There will be a hack that allows this. If I have to pay for a bot to do this I will. Fuck Blizzard.

Dumb as fuck. Just Blizzard pissing in the water at this point, YOU are on trial here for the failure of WoD, you honestly shouldn't be doing anything that's going to piss us off at this point. I'm not sure how much you realize your future depends on us not coming out of this next one with a bad taste in our mouth.

another thing that wasn't broken got fixed , a good day at Blizzard HQ. They actually put man hours in to this shit

I do understand their point of view, they don't like people playing the game zoomed out so far everyone looks like ants. But obviously everyone who's gotten used to that (eg me) is going to find losing that advantage very off-putting.

Originally Posted by Dracodraco

Totally could if I knew how to affect the changes properly on live. I've literally only got two zoom options no matter how I combine the commands - the super-zoomed in (which isn't the right one because it got buffed slightly on the PTR) and the max distance one, and nothing between, despite setting these options:

cameraDistanceMaxFactor to 1.9
cameraSavedDistance to 28.5

as are their new max values. I can only assume it's because CameraDistanceMax isn't removed yet (and it's taking priority over the other two), but I'm not sure what value to set it at to create the new effect.

I assumed that they were just disabling the max camera distance option and the current default UI maximum would remain the maximum. I could be completely wrong about that though.

Great change. Too much zoom takes away all the correct scaling in the word. Boss monsters that should appear extremely large are just like toys if you zoom out far enough. Of course, because it gives an actual gameplay advantage, everybody is playing with maxcameradistance. But it destroys parts of the game and should thereby be resdtricted. I like this change a lot.

Originally Posted by Xellana

Great change. Too much zoom takes away all the correct scaling in the word. Boss monsters that should appear extremely large are just like toys if you zoom out far enough. Of course, because it gives an actual gameplay advantage, everybody is playing with maxcameradistance. But it destroys parts of the game and should thereby be resdtricted. I like this change a lot.

I might be more okay with it if they could find a way to improve the "melee range boss butt syndrome". Like, I literally can't see the shit on the ground I'm supposed to avoid half the time because the boss is taking up my whole screen.

Well Fuck You Blizzard and any1 that is supporting that change!!! Every singe raider that plays on a competitive lvl plays it like that and only ppl that don't care about raiding will support that.....how can any1 play Manoroth with the default zoom?? or any large boss??? I am all for emergence when I am out in the world but when I am raiding???? NO i want to SEE what is happening cause how my character is moving his arms is irrelevant to me....and if they are trying to force that new action cam then plz NO..anytime i watch a YT vid of any1 playing with that cam it gives me motion sickness.
And btw that blue post makes 0 sense it's just stupid rambling!!!!!

Originally Posted by Xellana

Great change. Too much zoom takes away all the correct scaling in the word. Boss monsters that should appear extremely large are just like toys if you zoom out far enough. Of course, because it gives an actual gameplay advantage, everybody is playing with maxcameradistance. But it destroys parts of the game and should thereby be resdtricted. I like this change a lot.

how about giving the fuckin option to play however i like? Why would i have to deal with this shit because someone somewhere decided that they don't like how much the camara zooms out? How about branching out instead of cutting down? Pruning obviously became a company policy, they are dealing every aspect of the game with it

Originally Posted by Rafalga

how about giving the fuckin option to play however i like? Why would i have to deal with this shit because someone somewhere decided that they don't like how much the camara zooms out? How about branching out instead of cutting down? Pruning obviously became a company policy, they are dealing every aspect of the game with it

No, in a game that has competitive aspects, you will not be allowed to play "however you like". It's something you should have understood by now.

I dont mind the change. Zooming it out past the slider defiantly gives you a tactical advantage (however small, though lots of mythic raiders here claiming they HAVE to have it). If they just made the slider go higher instead then everyone would be forced to use the max zoom to remain competitive. I don't need a top down view of the entire room to beat a boss and you don't either. I think most people are just salty they are loosing the small advantage it gave.

Ouch. This will take time to get used to. Stupid decision. They should've just enabled the slider to go to the max so that anyone can use it instead of fucking up those who used it via console.

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Originally Posted by sivas88

I dont mind the change. Zooming it out past the slider defiantly gives you a tactical advantage (however small, though lots of mythic raiders here claiming they HAVE to have it). If they just made the slider go higher instead then everyone would be forced to use the max zoom to remain competitive. I don't need a top down view of the entire room to beat a boss and you don't either. I think most people are just salty they are loosing the small advantage it gave.

So forcing everyone to play the way you prefer is okay?

Originally Posted by namelessone

No, in a game that has competitive aspects, you will not be allowed to play "however you like". It's something you should have understood by now.

so removal of max camera distance somehow makes the game more fair/balanced for these so-called "competitive aspects" ? What are you smoking man?

This was not our destiny...

Originally Posted by Rafalga

so removal of max camera distance somehow makes the game more fair/balanced for these so-called "competitive aspects" ? What are you smoking man?

Changing max camera is devs deciding how their game should look like. You have no more say in that than you have in what models to use. If raiders had the option, they would replace all models with rectangular blocks with hp bars.

Originally Posted by maverick1625

Ability pruning, a more simplified control scheme, taking alot of what's in Diablo 3 & implementing it into WOW [Talents, Transmog system, a similar randomised loot system with Legionaries], the "Action Cam", pushing to make the game less reliant on addons & so on etc. It's all being simplified more for one reason only.

It's all too obvious Blizzard are doing these changes in order to set the game up for consoles, & I'm suprised I haven't seen more convo about it over the forums in recent years. They've lost over 40% of their player base in one expansion alone, of course they're trying to take measures to make an extra buck, it's business right. lol The thing that will be interesting to see come Legion, & this is evident from WOD alone, is that the WOW community ain't all sheep. They will express themselves & shun the game if Blizzard annoys them enough with silly changes, & this is a silly change to say the least! Legion will be interesting indeed hehe

Action Cam is awesome dude.

Originally Posted by sivas88

I dont mind the change. Zooming it out past the slider defiantly gives you a tactical advantage (however small, though lots of mythic raiders here claiming they HAVE to have it). If they just made the slider go higher instead then everyone would be forced to use the max zoom to remain competitive. I don't need a top down view of the entire room to beat a boss and you don't either. I think most people are just salty they are loosing the small advantage it gave.

If you don't want the advantage, that's your choice. Shouldn't limit us, and in the end as I explained on the previous page, the end result will be raiders that needs this functionality to perform at their peak will just use scripts to quickly change the hardcoded variables in the configs of the game to get the old zoom back every single time they relog. It's tedious and meaningless but it'll become a necessary step every time we switch characters to have what we consider a "fulfilling" game experience. We'll still retain the "advantage" one way or another, it's blizzard's choice if they want it to go from "google a console command to permanently unlock max zoom" that they say "most people don't know", to "use a script every time you relog to set your max zoom for that session, and deactivate zoom buttons so it doesn't reset and thus giving you no chance of zooming in at all" that only the extreme minority will use, requiring far more input to achieve.