Trial of Valor Adjustments - December 20

Surprised they didn't nerf monks more.

Why is taint of the sea debuffs reduced by one on Mythic when theres 20 players. It should be lowered on heroic in small groups where it's a flat 3

Also whats tainted explosion again?

Nerfffffffffff, easy mode now.

Originally Posted by Rilu

Nerfffffffffff, easy mode now.

Have you tried Helya on mythic? For 9/10 mythic raiders, this is definitely still not easy mode. It went from "almost impossible" to "hard".

Originally Posted by Bearygood

Why is taint of the sea debuffs reduced by one on Mythic when theres 20 players. It should be lowered on heroic in small groups where it's a flat 3

Also whats tainted explosion again?

The raid wide damage when Taint of the Sea is dispelled.

Any specifics on the Helya nerf? What % nerfed per add, if Helya herself got nerfed, etc.

really....i expected changes to the number of abilities small raids have to deal with

Originally Posted by Noctus78

really....i expected changes to the number of abilities small raids have to deal with

This so much

How about the mechanics [debuffs] actually flex with smaller raids?

Originally Posted by Bearygood

Why is taint of the sea debuffs reduced by one on Mythic when theres 20 players. It should be lowered on heroic in small groups where it's a flat 3

Also whats tainted explosion again?

Because on Mythic mode having 5 taints each round meant you had a few options: You could 5 heal, but you won't make the damage requirements that way. Or you could (are required to) bring either a warlock who would have to dispel every single round as well or, as most guilds have done it so far, bring shadowpriests for mass dispel.

It sort of pigeonholed you into bringing shadowpriests because it was mana efficient and easy. I suspect that's what they wanted to get rid of so it could become a healer's job again. Although we'll likely still use shadowpriests anyway, at least it's an option now.

Originally Posted by Noctus78

really....i expected changes to the number of abilities small raids have to deal with

you would think after the fiasco that archimonde 10-15man was in hfc they would have learned, but nope they released one more raid that was like waaay harder in smaller numbers

Originally Posted by Qualinas

How about the mechanics [debuffs] actually flex with smaller raids?

they already changed that last week.

Originally Posted by Julianor

they already changed that last week.

Where and how

Originally Posted by Rilu

Nerfffffffffff, easy mode now.

Said the LFR raider who can't even do Normal.-

Originally Posted by Bearygood

Where and how

Odyn: He no longer spawns 5 adds to deal with, we did 10man Heroic Alt run due to not having to raid, we only had 3, which made it a joke. Helya, adds has like 3 million HP and the water bloobs has 2 mil each. We also only had 2 debuffs from what I remember.

Woah that nerf :d

Originally Posted by Arcanines

Said the LFR raider who can't even do Normal.-



Odyn: He no longer spawns 5 adds to deal with, we did 10man Heroic Alt run due to not having to raid, we only had 3, which made it a joke. Helya, adds has like 3 million HP and the water bloobs has 2 mil each. We also only had 2 debuffs from what I remember.

We still had 3 debuffs in our run which was last Weds. The 3 debuffs is our only problem with that fight.

Originally Posted by Nnyco

you would think after the fiasco that archimonde 10-15man was in hfc they would have learned, but nope they released one more raid that was like waaay harder in smaller numbers

Haven't done TOV, but our 10 man group is getting REKT on the stupid Eye in EN.

Originally Posted by Arcanines

Odyn: He no longer spawns 5 adds to deal with, we did 10man Heroic Alt run due to not having to raid, we only had 3, which made it a joke. Helya, adds has like 3 million HP and the water bloobs has 2 mil each. We also only had 2 debuffs from what I remember.

At least for us on Sunday this happened only on Normal, and only on p1 at that. All other times it was full 5 adds. This was with a 10-man raid.

Originally Posted by Bearygood

Why is taint of the sea debuffs reduced by one on Mythic when theres 20 players. It should be lowered on heroic in small groups where it's a flat 3

Also whats tainted explosion again?

There is 5 debuffs on mythic. tainted explosion is the dmg from dispelling the taint.

"Reduced the health of Bilewater Slime, Night Watch Mariner, and Helya by 10% and Grimelord by 15% in the Helya encounter in Trial of Valor on all difficulties."

From the US forums.