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Before the Storm Preview
Christie Golden's next novel, Before the Storm comes out next month and Amazon has released a preview. These pages contain significant spoilers.



Adam Savage's New Warcraft Armor
Adam Savage got his hands on some armor from the Warcraft movie.

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  1. Kasai511's Avatar
    I feel like they're going to have some kind of corny sylvanis redemption arc layer on in the expansion
  1. FelPlague's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    My opinion is that you should read more. Broaden your horizons. You'll see why Golden is considered subpar.
    Blizzard can afford a better writer. It's just that she's a regular by now. And they had much worse writers, so that makes her ok.
    so would you rather an "ok" writer? or a new writer that may or may not be better that will constantly get the lore wrong for years on end until they do a complete look over all the lore in the universe

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    Quote Originally Posted by VincentX View Post
    You don't need to be a chef to recognise that the food's gone bad.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwPmLwW1-PA
    like is very subjective, for example gordon ramsay loses cook offs to literally random people all the time, he has a show where he faces off against people like comedians and celebitries and loses.
    Taste is subjective, VERY.
    above for example, james may is not a profesional chef btw... but guess what he beat gordon, and it happens a fair bit.
    other examples
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb0hagZ0N54
    alan carr comedian
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CajDGS8sYrQ
    GORDON IS SCOTTISH and he lost in a haggis cook off against edith bowman a radio DJ not a profesional chef.


    allmost loses to a dude using frozen stuff and bagged stuff even boils celery... god...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVkt5kAhX10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LyVBP4Dh1E
  1. therealstegblob's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahndrumon View Post
    To me it is more impressive and shows greater imagination. No matter your argument, I don't feel that she's a great writer and I'm entitled to my own opinion.
    That's fine, but again I'd like to know what you consider a good author and why if you think Golden is bad. I'm not the type to necessarily fanboy over her or anything, I just consider her fairly standard and often times (like, 100% of the time) people bitch relentlessly about her and how she's bad yet can never seem to adequately explain that opinion or justify it, especially when asked to name other authors.

    Your reasoning for her being a bad writer is, seemingly, just because she doesn't have her own fantasy canon (how do you know she's incapable of making her own stuff up by the way, lol? Just because she primarily writes other people's canons? Yeah, okay buddy.), which isn't a very good (read: totally invalid) reason to degrade her as a writer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beet View Post
    In reality there is only one really really bad WoW writer and that’s Keith R. A. DeCandido. The man who hadn’t a clue about the characters he wrote about. The man who made everyone a southern hillbilly. The man who made all the men hate women. If you think Golden is bad go read his book.
    I'd argue that honestly, Knaak isn't that great of an author either. He's not what I'd consider unreadably bad in general, but he has put out some unreadably bad books. Stormrage was, wow. Honestly almost as bad as Cycles of Hatred.

    But yes, Keith wrote the defacto worst Warcraft book. Cycles of Hatred was bad in just about every single way. The guy didn't even properly understand how to write dialogue.
  1. Ilyiana's Avatar
    Ok...I'm horde and even I think Sylvanas is evil by this point. They're doing a horrid job of telling it so we have motivation to do something for her.
  1. Halefire94's Avatar
    It's not that Christie Golden is particularly terrible, she's actually on par with most video game novel authors.

    It's just Video Game novels are often not very good.
  1. Draedarr's Avatar
    I still don't understand why they used old maps for the continents, with the island off the coast of Feralas still on it, without Uldun, and with the area from Thousand Needles where Mirage Raceway was with what appear to be sand.
  1. Alveia's Avatar
    Can someone specify what kind of spoilers are contained here? Spoilers for stuff that will happen in BfA that hasn't happened yet? Or what? I was planning to read this before the expansion came out.
  1. Orloth's Avatar
    I'm holding out hope that there will be something more about this from Sylvanis's point of view, and that the Windrunner family reunion will be a thing. Right now it's just looking like another Warchief turned evil story. We really need to stop having Warchieves, it's just not working out guys.

    I mean, I can understand Sylvanis's and Nathanos's resentment of Stormwind; which is born of a the fact that when the Forsaken were first looking for allies they sent emissaries to Stormwind first in the belief that Lordaeron should stand with the Alliance even in death. The Horde was their desperation move after they had been turned down. Add in 10+ years of resentment, cooked in with the whole Forsaken continuance thing that's been driving most of her actions since Wrath and the motivation seems sound, just not something that other people (myself included) can really sympathize with.

    I'm still pondering Vol'jin's vision. Right now Sylvanis hasn't done anything as Warchief that any other worthy candidate couldn't have done. The fact that the Horde and Alliance are patting themselves on the back for the Legion's defeat is equally ridiculous on both sides, as it was the practically all of the Neutral Factions that did most of the heavy lifting in the later part of the war while the Alliance and Horde fought each other for towers. I think Vol'jin appointing Sylvanis as Warchief was explicitly to get her out of the shadows so that her actions and motivations could be observed by the rest of the Horde. While that strongly echoes Garrosh at this point, and I would hate to see a repeat, I don't see this story going any other way.

    Hopefully the rest of the book proves me wrong.
  1. Sykol's Avatar
    Getting a preview of Christie Golden's books is like being forced to see your baby on an ultrasound before having an abortion.
  1. Asaliah's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sykol View Post
    Getting a preview of Christie Golden's books is like being forced to see your baby on an ultrasound before having an abortion.
    OMG savage xD
  1. Igzorn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ithekro View Post
    See, the Alliance is the Savage faction.
    he reminds me a bit of leeroy (the penny arcade art style of the defunct tcg)
  1. jinreeko's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Igzorn View Post
    the defunkt tcg)
    hue hue hue
  1. Soeroah's Avatar
    God damn it. Looks like there's no way around Sylvanas not being Garrosh 2.0, I guess. Also not really into what they're doing with the other -her-.
  1. keyboardshinobi's Avatar
    Well I enjoyed what I read of that, looking forward to the full book. And to all the Golden Haters on this thread, if you hate her work so much, you know, maybe don't spend the time to read it. Saying things like her writing makes my eye bleed is just beyond stupid.
  1. Aquinan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by musicallittle1 View Post
    No, it is not good. It is supremely sub-par writing. Anyone over the age of 14 should be able to recognize this fact.

    And yes, reading her books makes my eyes bleed.
    Then why do you read them?
  1. Arthor220's Avatar
    imo plot of Wow has turned into a very sub par shonen manga type deal lol

    also i still don't get why horde and alliance would fight each other when they both know the void is still out there, like why fuck with each other when you know there's still a big bad out there... why whittle down each others numbers when you need to band together again... attacks on each other are so dumb and forced
  1. Synesthesia's Avatar
    nice armor <3 love it
  1. Nirosu's Avatar
    WoW's writing has gotten weaker the more they have to make new stuff up and don't have older villains to fall back on. Golden's writing is well mediocre at best and the bigger issue is she can't stop herself from adding poorly written romance to the stories, which might be blizzards fault for giving her crap a direction to go with or not. All in all the init marketing of grey area both sides are bad in bfa or both sides have major baddies, is really not being executed well. BfA at least the main story start is very filler-esque more so than a lot of WoW's writing.
  1. Dannihilate's Avatar
    There are many more pages if you're a Prime member.
  1. Igzorn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthor220 View Post
    imo plot of Wow has turned into a very sub par shonen manga type deal lol

    also i still don't get why horde and alliance would fight each other when they both know the void is still out there, like why fuck with each other when you know there's still a big bad out there... why whittle down each others numbers when you need to band together again... attacks on each other are so dumb and forced
    Dont forgett the light is also going to be a threat.
    And yeah i am also sick of the grrrrrr Horde/Aliance story, it is geting old . ofc i can understand local conflicts but in the bigger picture it does not make any sense.

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