Challenge Rift - Week 47

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Before the Storm Preview
Christie Golden's next novel, Before the Storm comes out next month and Amazon has released a preview. These pages contain significant spoilers.



Adam Savage's New Warcraft Armor
Adam Savage got his hands on some armor from the Warcraft movie.

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  1. Amaroq's Avatar
    First it was Knaak getting shit, and now that his writing for Blizzard was canned, people are turning to shitting on Golden. She's far superior to Knaak and I genuinely enjoy her writing. If you enjoy it, who cares what other people think. I look forward to reading the whole novel.
  1. Meat Rubbing Specialist's Avatar
    Man I'd wear that armour to every convention I ever went to.
  1. Masophet's Avatar
    This is an interesting discussion, but why are you not quoting or paraphrasing specific sections from the text for discussion? Simply demeaning the text by claiming to hold finely attuned reading sensibilities closes discussion, so please make your observations about Golden's prose explicit.
  1. Kiri's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Amaroq View Post
    First it was Knaak getting shit, and now that his writing for Blizzard was canned, people are turning to shitting on Golden. She's far superior to Knaak and I genuinely enjoy her writing. If you enjoy it, who cares what other people think. I look forward to reading the whole novel.
    Golden is competent. That is my opinion. She is not grandiose or anything, but she is competent at what she does.
    However, the issue here is that competence alone is not good enough for people. There are definitely better authors out there and there are better books. And once people read those - and continue mostly reading books of those better authors - that becomes their new standard, meaning everything else becomes sub-par. They also tend to not realize the differences between this book and most fantasy novels. In most of those, authors have a lot of freedom regarding characters and oftentimes even the world they work in. Original fantasy works have much less editorial mandates than those set in established universes. And even extended universe novels can often at least focus on original characters. Golden though, she is working with established characters and has to at least somewhat coordinate that with other writers. The books have to reflect and inform ingame writing, which is no easy task and can be quite restrictive for a writer. Golden seems to have a lot of direction, especially when it comes to political events and outcomes. Her character development seems to often be ignored, too, like with Jaina. That kind of stuff can bog even the best writers down and turn books into messes.

    Plus, she is usually on a fairly tight schedule and can't just take all the time in the world to finish her book. Ain't that right, Mr Martin?
  1. Scorze's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Amaroq View Post
    First it was Knaak getting shit, and now that his writing for Blizzard was canned, people are turning to shitting on Golden. She's far superior to Knaak and I genuinely enjoy her writing. If you enjoy it, who cares what other people think. I look forward to reading the whole novel.
    She's not at all superior to Knaak, he has put out some really enjoyable stuff like Day of the Dragon or the War of the Ancients trilogy. They both have some good and bad works but I mainly blame the state of Warcraft's lore at the time of the novel's writing.
  1. Zephre's Avatar
    I'm not a big fan of Golden's work for one simple reason, she picks favourites, for a game such as WoW it doesn't serve well if you have an author who turns characters into mary sues and others into villains. I mean Sylvanas was already pretty evil already and we're probably gonna kill her Garrosh 2.0 style but the Anduin writing is terrible, the guy can literally do no wrong.

    I've personally had enough of those types in the WoW novels, Thrall and Rohnin were bad enough.
  1. Fatmanwalking's Avatar
    Amazing armor
  1. Cheersz's Avatar
    I'd love to own that set
  1. Balager's Avatar
    Spoiler alert: all that talk about complexity and ambiguity was bullshit. Sylvanas is an irredeemably evil manipulative control freak, Celia gets killed off without her character used for everything and Anduin is just an uncorrubtable fountain of goodness wise and powerful beyond his years that nobody can help to comment on. Sheesh. I've read hentai with better written characters.
  1. Vanderez's Avatar
    Anyone else wondering what happened to Uldum on the Kalimdor map? The map seems to be post Cataclysm
  1. Vaze0's Avatar
    awesome!
  1. derpkitteh's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SensationalBanana View Post
    Cue all those amazing, acknowledged, published writers lurking on MMO-C and their hatred for... well, everything.
    my hatred for making the alliance nothing but human cock sucking, and anduin the chosen one. you'd have to be an idiot to not think that's shit writing.
  1. Nerovar's Avatar
    Can anyone give me a tl;dr?
  1. Gadzooks's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    Golden is competent.
    For the price they're charging, I expect more than "competent". I'll stop there, because I'll admit up front I'm a long time sci fi/fantasy bookworm, and I don't take the WoW books seriously, they're semi-pro fan fiction, and I don't have time for that - there are too many good books to spend my time and money on. The books to me have always been a missed opportunity, but whatever.

    And using George as an example is funny - he's a massive outlier to how normal authors work.
  1. Kiri's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gadzooks View Post
    For the price they're charging, I expect more than "competent". I'll stop there, because I'll admit up front I'm a long time sci fi/fantasy bookworm, and I don't take the WoW books seriously, they're semi-pro fan fiction, and I don't have time for that - there are too many good books to spend my time and money on. The books to me have always been a missed opportunity, but whatever.

    And using George as an example is funny - he's a massive outlier to how normal authors work.
    Oh, that was less an example, more me venting frustration.
  1. Kylecat15's Avatar
    God how sad so many of you are, I am fairly sure even if the book was the best thing ever written you'd still come here to bash it and complain. I personally always enjoyed her books, guess I am able to enjoy things.
  1. Stormykitten's Avatar
    Kinda funny to see people's responses to the factions. I see some that say Horde looks like the bad guys again (though they seldom really are, more an individual) but that's AWESOME, as an Alliance player I am incredibly tired of the whole "tiihii we defend and we are heroes" vibe the faction is 100% locked into. So it really depends on what you want. Horde has way more free writing - just look at the post-Argus cinematics where one side gets a boring heroic speech and the other gets an interesting dinner scene; however, some probably find the reverse interesting if they actually want a heroic faction or whatever.

    So it's an interesting dynamic within the player on top of the underlying faction dynamics, I think. You have the people that want red v blue, or just many colours at once. Anyway, i think there is some cause for Alliance members to rethink the alliance if this expansion proceeds as hinted. Looking at the Night elves mainly. I don't think it will happen for game mechanics but still. Also, I admit i am still looking for a reason why Anduin is high king - the Alliance is not a monarchy.
  1. Roudene's Avatar
    http://www.wowhead.com/news=284452.9...ilers#comments

    There seems to be even more pages. Keep in mind that the order is messed up.


    Uhm... few months ago there was a tweet from Alex Afrasiabi saying Kalec and Jaina broke up. I see they changed their minds on that.
  1. musicallittle1's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquinan View Post
    Then why do you read them?
    I stopped, and threw mine away so nobody else would be subjected to it. I was hoping to never have to read her crap again, then ta-da, she's brought to Blizzard :-(
  1. Duridi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormykitten View Post
    ..i think there is some cause for Alliance members to rethink the alliance if this expansion proceeds as hinted. Looking at the Night elves mainly.
    As a nightelf I've already been rethinking all the way since I heard Teldrassil is gonna burn.

    Not that I have any idea of what you are actually refering to, but I am gonna assume it has something to do with my concerns, since I'm a nightelf fed up with my faction atm.

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