Alterac Pass Balance Changes - July 3, 2018

Yeah cool let's nerf generals HP, instead of nerfing cavalry only because why not?

Originally Posted by DesoPL

Yeah cool let's nerf generals HP, instead of nerfing cavalry only because why not?

The Generals will have the same HP as live by the 10min mark, and then 4k more at 20min

Sooooo more a buff than a nerf.

Originally Posted by Nikkaszal

The Generals will have the same HP as live by the 10min mark, and then 4k more at 20min

Sooooo more a buff than a nerf.

Kinda depends. The biggest complaint I saw about the map was that it wasn't uncommon for matches to be over by the 10 minutes mark.

I wish I could play on this map.

#RNGBullshit

Originally Posted by Stormcall

Kinda depends. The biggest complaint I saw about the map was that it wasn't uncommon for matches to be over by the 10 minutes mark.

Cavalry nerf should alleviate that somewhat

My average game time on AP has been 21 minutes so far. I honestly haven't had one game that was crazy snowball-y yet.

Didn't play it often, but so far not seen a team win first objective and lose map. Maybe make cavalry stronger, but only one lane instead of three?

My games stalemate for freaking hours over the damn objective.

Originally Posted by Belize

I wish I could play on this map.

#RNGBullshit

I second this, only played Volskaya once and that was during a HL game. fml

Originally Posted by Nerraw

My average game time on AP has been 21 minutes so far. I honestly haven't had one game that was crazy snowball-y yet.

Except that's not what snowbally means. When a map is snowbally it means a winning team can further extend their own lead, making it difficult for team in behind to comeback and eventually resulting in a checkmate.

Perfect example is Sky Temple. When you win the second and third phase, you basically made a first step to win the game. The objective directly attacks the structures, giving experience and extending the gap in levels to weaken chance to contest next objectives. The only way to comeback is sneaking in boss to give a breather, contest objective and equal the playing field. It doesn't mean the game is quick, even though it can be. However how many times did you see a scenario "Play it slow, next Temple phase we win" when enemy team has only core left and 3 temples are spawning?

I didn't play Alterac myself as I stick to HL, but I heard complaints the games are quick because the generals are easy to kill.

Originally Posted by RH92

Except that's not what snowbally means. When a map is snowbally it means a winning team can further extend their own lead, making it difficult for team in behind to comeback and eventually resulting in a checkmate.

Perfect example is Sky Temple. When you win the second and third phase, you basically made a first step to win the game. The objective directly attacks the structures, giving experience and extending the gap in levels to weaken chance to contest next objectives. The only way to comeback is sneaking in boss to give a breather, contest objective and equal the playing field. It doesn't mean the game is quick, even though it can be. However how many times did you see a scenario "Play it slow, next Temple phase we win" when enemy team has only core left and 3 temples are spawning?

Haven't experienced that in great amounts either. Sure, I've had one-sided games on the map, but most of them could have gone either way on the last objectives.

This map is awful.

I love this map.

Oh great, they're still ignoring how pathetically weak the generals are in terms of damage output. Just remove the whole bloody armor/fort mechanic and buff the generals.

Hmm, at least as a melee, I felt the generals do indeed hurt. Anyway the principles of Alterac Pass are sound, if they weaken the objective or balance it otherwise, this should be one of the more enjoyable maps.