Battle for Lordaeron Cutscenes

Why didn't Jaina just target the Horde ship and blow it out of the sky? I mean she stopped the blight and blew up Undercity walls like it was nothing.

Why thinks everyone Sylvanas is mad? She is far from it!

Her style is quite different from garrosh. Even when Garrosh was manipulated or as warchief, he still had the honor part intact (for most of it) and liked the direct approach.

Sylvanas? Her style is "everything goes as long as we win". She's unscrupulously, has no problems to use guerilla tactics or sacrafice someone or something to win. Not to mention that she thinks long term. The burning of Teldrasil? That was cold blooded calculated and not done on a wimp. Think about it. She calculated that the alliance will come in force because of that - and make errors. I suspect that Jaina and/or Greymane WILL fuck up because of this in some kind. She made them angry to lure them into her trap.

She didn't know about Jainia. Put that into perspective! The blight in UC was done over a long period and needed time. If Jaina woudln't be there ... the Alliance Leaders would be dead. ANd the horde would've won.

Btw. ... I liked all movies. Even Jainas frozen dance thing. The ship was cool
And Sylvanas... her voice actor and her choreography was something. How she sits in the throne room and chills. How she talks. Damn, if at some point she decides to stop being warchief, she should open a S&M studio :3

Originally Posted by kgersen

God the writing is horrible. It's clearly targeting kids.

I would think more correctly just making sure a person whose primary reading is comic books can understand what is happening.

I thought the writing even in wotlk was corny, LK new voice actor had dialogue right out of comic books or cartoons.

Maybe a/b has a 'functional literacy expectation' function which auto-reduces each year as the average functional education level continues to drop.

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Originally Posted by Boshtol

So far as the story advances, I have more and more the feeling Blizzard is moving towards a true Horde and Alliance theme.

1. Blood Elves and Undeads should never have joined the Horde

with forsaken, this seems hard to dispute - and was done for gameplay reasons only. with today's server tech, I don't see why there cannot be a third faction at max level (though there is specifically no easy way to make a 3rd faction in leveling content with out a fair amount of new quest design work).

ultimately if they could figure out a way to sell faction changes in increased qty as a result of this, it could work.

Originally Posted by Kel_Sceptic

She won more then you can think of. Like the book says, if she hadn't done all this, horde was inferior to alliance. All that has happend, was Sylvanas's plan, a good, heroic, positive, smart plan. She knew her capital will be lost frost the start, before burning Teldrassil. She was offered to USE the blight in Darnassus, but she refusses, cause she only wants to SCARE the shit out of the Alliance, and she makes it so they will have time to escape, and they will not have war prisoniers.

As soon as I saw the burning of Teldressil, I've used my boost on an Alliance char. But after reading half of "A good war", I can see that Sylvanas is just a badass heroine that just wants to make sure that the Horde has a future.

That's right, but saying that she won is just stupid and wrong. She lost Undercity in that battle. That's all what I'm saying.

Originally Posted by Granyala

Where to? They were already on the gunship, the only "safe" place in there. Varian offed himself to defeat the big robot that would have stomped the ship.
I'd imagine, the more people you teleport at once, the shorter the range, so I doubt she can teleport said army across the ocean onto another continent.

As for Darnassus, well
1) she wasn't there. Azeroth has no Internet, so I doubt that she was even aware of the attack until it was over.
2) there were already mages present hat did just that: hold open portals for as long as they could.

Lmao.
During Battle for Undercity in wotlk Jaina teleported whole Alliance army from UC to SW. With no sweat and lesser powers. But I guess "Hey guys I can teleport us all to a safe location", "Nah I'll just kill myself", "Fine idea good luck" is a more logical approach.

As for Darnassus, well, the War of Thorns doesnt last one day, but much longer. Enough time to show yourself.

Originally Posted by Eazy

That's right, but saying that she won is just stupid and wrong. She lost Undercity in that battle. That's all what I'm saying.

I think you are starting from the wrong end of the story.

blizzard isn't going to grossly 'disadvantage' one faction in losing things.

if one faction city is lost, then the other faction needs to lose a city too, and the story will be adapted to that necessity. the starting point of all this is a decision in blizzard to 'have a war and destroy some cities and all that.'

I think the % of players who play wow 'for the lore' primarily is likely about the % who watch star wars for the droids, or close enounters for the special effects, or superman to see a man fly, or time bandits for the make-up. meaning - such customers exist but they are not the primary market by any means.

i wonder if blizz has 100% decided if sylv. is going to be a raid boss or not? they were setting up raid mechanic lore with the valkyries imo. also killing her wouldn't be the end as prominent dead bosses get rezzed in later expansions routinely.

Originally Posted by Deficineiron

I think you are starting from the wrong end of the story.

blizzard isn't going to grossly 'disadvantage' one faction in losing things.

if one faction city is lost, then the other faction needs to lose a city too, and the story will be adapted to that necessity. the starting point of all this is a decision in blizzard to 'have a war and destroy some cities and all that.'

Yeah I got it and I fully understand it. But I was talking only about the Battle for the Undercity.

And I agree, it's always funny seeing that people want so huge disadvantage, same goes for the third factions. That wouldn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by Deficineiron

I think the % of players who play wow 'for the lore' primarily is likely about the % who watch star wars for the droids, or close enounters for the special effects, or superman to see a man fly, or time bandits for the make-up. meaning - such customers exist but they are not the primary market by any means.

Well just because there are other reasons to play it doesn't mean the game should have bad lore. I like this game for a few reasons, lore is one of them.

Originally Posted by Deficineiron

i wonder if blizz has 100% decided if sylv. is going to be a raid boss or not? they were setting up raid mechanic lore with the valkyries imo. also killing her wouldn't be the end as prominent dead bosses get rezzed in later expansions routinely.

I don't think so, she's portrayed as the main horde character, while Garrosh in Cata was the bad from the beginning. Sylvanas is taking risks and spitting on the honor just to survive. I like it, because not every Horde warchief has to be honorable orc/troll/tauren.
The only way I could see her end would be Windrunner seeing the errors of her way and sacrifice herself for the greater good. Like you know, she knew she did something bad, but she ultimately she wanted to do something good for her people.

Old god/Nightmare in Teldrassil or some hidden intentions would've been a stupid idea. Fanbase wouldn't like that once again... Anyway, she's just evil. I don't want redeption story, I just want to see her dying(if she had to!) and realizing that she was wrong, but in the end she did something good for her people.

You know, not like "Anduin you had right... I'm sorry..."
But more like "I'll do everything for my people! FOR THE HORDE!"

Originally Posted by keymil

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But again, who do I bother. As I said, for people with lack of imagination everything is "shock and awe".

You mean.... Wow... is campy? Holy shit man. I wouldn't of fucking guessed it's campy. CAMPY STORIES SUCK YOU GUYS, DR.WHO IS A BAD SHOW. ORIGINAL STAR TREK IS LAME. sdfl;kghseiughpweogwa. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Originally Posted by Eazy

Well just because there are other reasons to play it doesn't mean the game should have bad lore. I like this game for a few reasons, lore is one of them.

Well I could be wrong on what I listed too. Terry Gilliam and Michael Palin openly list those reasons here so it may be most players play wow 'for the lore.'

Originally Posted by ElDoorO

You are literally ignoring what I'm saying and, at this point, trying to be malicious.
If you, personally, start an army and invade and take Mexico. Then they turn around and, literally, burn your home even though you live in the white house. I'd say you aren't "winning" at that point. It was YOUR HOME they took. And you basically sucker punched them so your "wins" aren't very strong wins unless you earned something significant.

Are you devaluing undercity, her home, to be like a small town or to the point of insignificance? If you start a war it's expected you can, at least, protect your home. If not then you're on the losing side.

She started a war. In response they took something personal from her. The tree will stop burning eventually. Her home is now destroyed. I'm pretty sure this is not an even trade and she's on the back peddle.

Terrible equivalence, unless within the White House you lock a huge portion of their army and then burn it to the ground with them inside. Who care if she looses her home if her home isn't the main center of the Hordes power? which it isn't.

Also blight can be cleaned so....both are reversible unless the trees burns down. Both are rendered uninhabitable so it is a far trade.

I'm saying that the Horde and Alliance have both lost a minor city (which is not their capital) and on top of that the Alliance seem to have lost far more soldiers in the effort.

Also of we're being very truthful to the lore the Horde is in a better position on EK then alliance are in kailmdor. Quel'thas is a full fledged kingdom with magical defenses (uncertain in lore how much they've been repaired) versus the dreani isles which are barely a few scattered villages and a ruin. Also exodar was recently attacked and the dreani sank their resources into a the vinndicaar. Regardless Silvermoon would be harder to take then the the isles but that will never happen in game clearly.

Jaina
Owned
This
Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3rWUdnUbSM

I added my own flair to Jaina's epic entrance.

Those cutscenes are great.
Once again, we've lost a lot in the french translation... sigh

The more I see BfA cutscenes /cinematics, the more it is clear Sylvanas ends as a raidboss. Her interaction with Nathanos in the Horde one is way too effusive. You know what must be done, my champion ! Like okay, Nathanos will perish in a dungeon or raid, got it

Bit disappointed with Anduin once again. I can get that Genn is blinded by his hatred to make consistent choices, but Anduin ? Was it not clearly a trap in the end ? Did you just assault Undercity without thinking any time that Sylvanas would use the Plague as soon as she could ?

Originally Posted by roahn the warlock

You mean.... Wow... is campy? Holy shit man. I wouldn't of fucking guessed it's campy. CAMPY STORIES SUCK YOU GUYS, DR.WHO IS A BAD SHOW. ORIGINAL STAR TREK IS LAME. sdfl;kghseiughpweogwa. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Yeah, the less than avarage smarter people tend to pick their weapon as "I will completely ignore what the person said and just spew random bullshit"... As I said, gray testeless mass of ëverything the humankind creates is good! Critic not allowed!"

Originally Posted by keymil

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Yeah, the less than avarage smarter people tend to pick their weapon as "I will completely ignore what the person said and just spew random bullshit"... As I said, gray testeless mass of ëverything the humankind creates is good! Critic not allowed!"

right, by bringing star truck and dr who (he doesn't specify which season, some of those were actually quite bad) into it we are distracted from the topic, which is just how corny and juvenille wow dialog/plots can be.

to put it in context, there have been classic dr. who episodes which rival wow for corny unbelievable plots and dialog. Wow reminds me of Pertwee-era UNIT soldiers who don't really seem to know which end of a gun shoots or how one is held, or Troughton-era where an ambush by good guys is set but they don't want to shoot first....that reminds me of the plot sophistication of wow.

Originally Posted by Eazy

Yup, Alliance won nothing(other than Lordaeron), while Horde lost the main capital city.

And some people are saying that Horde owned Alliance there...

The main capital? U mad bro? Ever heard of Orgrimmar?

And how exactly did alliance win Lordaeron? The place is contaminated and nobody can live there.

I do understand your frustration though. I cannot imagine myself being an alliance, it must be hard for you..

Originally Posted by Drpizka

The main capital? U mad bro? Ever heard of Orgrimmar?

Main city in that Area. Didn't mean Main Horde hub.

Originally Posted by Drpizka

And how exactly did alliance win Lordaeron? The place is contaminated and nobody can live there.

They won Lordaeron, Horde has retreated/ran away/left. Alliance banners are once again in that area.

Originally Posted by Drpizka

I do understand your frustration though. I cannot imagine myself being an alliance, it must be hard for you..

This is where you already lost. Claimed that I'm Alliance player, no, I'm not. I'm WoW player, I play both factions and I like the lore.

But no matter whatever you say, or try to use personal things against me(like saying that playing as alliance would be hard for me ), Alliance won the Lordaeron and Horde had to flee, otherwise they would just be destroyed. Simple facts.

Originally Posted by Eazy

Main city in that Area. Didn't mean Main Horde hub.



They won Lordaeron, Horde has retreated/ran away/left. Alliance banners are once again in that area.



This is where you already lost. Claimed that I'm Alliance player, no, I'm not. I'm WoW player, I play both factions and I like the lore.

But no matter whatever you say, or try to use personal things against me(like saying that playing as alliance would be hard for me ), Alliance won the Lordaeron and Horde had to flee, otherwise they would just be destroyed. Simple facts.

Well, I started WoW for the forsaken lore, and I will continue playing for the forsaken. Thus, FOR THE HORDE.

I have decided what I like, and I don't need to try an alliance char. Not to mention that the alliance lore is crap generally.

Yeah USA banners are in the surface of the moon too, I don't see USA claiming it as their own. You - won - nothing

Originally Posted by Minikin

Traps laid out in this battle yea I agree, but traps just like the night elves laid out as she moved to teldrassil.

Her initial objective has failed totally leading to this. As per the books. She wanted to "strike a blow that bleede the alliance dry" by capturing teldrassil.

Instead she sets fire to it because some random elf named just a couple months ago makes her angry. And thus is setup to start a war that is impossible to win not just due to lore but also due gameplay reasons.

This is incorrect. The cinematic wasn't clear with the real motivation for the burning. It wasn't the NE that changed her plan, it was Saurfang failing to kill Malfurion.

Originally Posted by Drpizka

Well, I started WoW for the forsaken lore, and I will continue playing for the forsaken. Thus, FOR THE HORDE.

I have decided what I like, and I don't need to try an alliance char. Not to mention that the alliance lore is crap generally.

Yeah USA banners are in the surface of the moon too, I don't see USA claiming it as their own. You - won - nothing

What's worse? Winning nothing or losing a city?

Alliance won whole Lordaeron, they just can't get into city because of the Blight. That's all.