Group Finder Addon Changes, Zappi Boi, August 8 Hotfixes, Warcraft Secrets

How do we punch all blizz devs from the internet? How can they be so fucking stupid?

Originally Posted by Ragashii

All the changes they've made this past year have been to pad their metrics. TIME PLAYED is all that matters to them now.

No more powerleveling.
Old raids take longer.
Leveling slowed down.
Group finder destroyed.
Taking away loot choices.
Legacy loot making raids require 2 expansions later to be worth soloing.
Bear tartar nerf.
Dungeon XP nerfed.

Keep them investors happy.

Right, so 3 of the reasons you posted are the same thing. Don't list them separately in order to spin your narrative. I'm talking about Powerleveling, Leveling slowed down and dungeons XP nerf. Secondly, Old Raids takes longer and bear tartar nerf listed as things blizzard has done to "make you play longer" is just retarded. It correct that old raids takes longer to clear. Maybe 5-10 minutes longer. Is that gonna be a huge impact on your overall playtime? Absolutely not. Same goes for bear tartar.

OT: It's so hilarious that people cried for YEARS about LFD and LFR being tools that "killed" wow because of their automation and now you guys cry over an automated part of a tool being removed so that you no longer can just ride past your quest NPC, let your addon auto-join a group, get insta-credit because your party members killed it, and leave. All without even dismounting or taking your eyes off the porn on your left monitor. Jesus christ I hate the hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by ripslyme

yeah right. mediocre expansion is about to start

why dont you disable your shit DEVS blizzard ?

You idiots know that group finder is a recent addition to the game right

Originally Posted by schwarzkopf

Ok, I've been Ok with the group finder changes to this point... BUT.... now they are destroying proper manual use of the system.

Some of those boss names? Of course I cut/paste from wowhead to get them right.
Auto accept ... I'm creating a random group of people to kill a boss, we have the boss down to 80% - I'm not interested in looking through people wanting to join at this stage, just let them join and get in on the action.

This is where I'm at with these changes. I really don't see how removing auto accept and preventing us from copying titles into the title do anything but hurt the player base.

Hell, even breaking this mod seems like a bizarre thing to do and I didn't even use it. Why would you not want us to be able to click on a quest and have it fill in the title and category for us automatically so that groups are easier to find?

Normally I can live with most of the changes they make, but this is one that only hurts the quality of life of players.

Patch 8.0.1 - Build 27291: Group Finder Addon Changes
The latest live build made a few more changes to the Group Finder. This was likely to combat group finding addons, such as the LookingForGroup addon.

Searching for groups now must be done manually.
Entering text into the search box now must be done manually, you can't paste in text anymore.
Accepting group members now must be done manually, as the Auto-Accept functionality has been disabled.

Way to go blizzard you ruining things now it's gonna take me longer to do things... lame and you wonder why you losing subs.. addons make the game easier and fun.

Originally Posted by Wiltrold

Right, so 3 of the reasons you posted are the same thing. Don't list them separately in order to spin your narrative. I'm talking about Powerleveling, Leveling slowed down and dungeons XP nerf. Secondly, Old Raids takes longer and bear tartar nerf listed as things blizzard has done to "make you play longer" is just retarded. It correct that old raids takes longer to clear. Maybe 5-10 minutes longer. Is that gonna be a huge impact on your overall playtime? Absolutely not. Same goes for bear tartar.

OT: It's so hilarious that people cried for YEARS about LFD and LFR being tools that "killed" wow because of their automation and now you guys cry over an automated part of a tool being removed so that you no longer can just ride past your quest NPC, let your addon auto-join a group, get insta-credit because your party members killed it, and leave. All without even dismounting or taking your eyes off the porn on your left monitor. Jesus christ I hate the hypocrisy.

People bitch and moan because that is what they have been taught to do. The world we live in teaches people instant gratification in all ways, and the group finder addons are no different. Now that you have to work just a tiny bit to your get group, suddenly they feel attacked on their "rights" and their easy way to satisfaction.
Just ignore them, it makes your day that much better

Originally Posted by MakeMeLaugh

How do we punch all blizz devs from the internet? How can they be so fucking stupid?

You're too much of an idiot to Quest without an add-on and you're calling the developer stupid

Originally Posted by Kelathos

On a major faction imbalanced server, Group Finder was a huge benefit. Else the game play experience is a literal horde of orange names tagging everything.

And now you literally ruin the experience of one of Legion's greatest features and strengths?
Blizzard Devs, do you realize how HORRIBLE Argus would have been without group finder?
Argus only functioned because of it, and you're doing a damn fine job of destroying that feature.

Terrible, terrible, decisions being made.

It's a mind boggling bad decision, not only these new ones but the previous ones too. Are they delusional? I am seriously starting to wonder about this.
And yes, that group finder addon was what saved Argus for me, on my alts. Had it not existed I would probably not have leveled any, I even used it for invasions while lvling up, super handy and fun! Yes FUN! It seems like fun is not something we're allowed to have. I honestly spent more time in-game thanks to it. The prospect of having to do all this MANUALLY doesn't exactly excite me......

So, now you have to talk before making a group, means less automatic more social situations and no problems with "I misunderstood you, I thought this group is for another purpose", "oh, so you are in another phase, I have to do some thing before joing you", "so you are only at gathering/summon stage", which usually appeared for some reason only after join. If you have problems with low ilvl, then (according to community) you are a cynic and elitist, if you accepted someone without really looking and he/she framed everyone, then it's your personal mistake (not system's), then next time you will take it more responsibly, if you have problems with help provision and communication in general, people who enter the group is better to know about this in advance. Nothing bad happened, less exploit/abuse, less brainless, but weighted meaningful decisions. Nothing wrong with that someone in some places decides to compel modern youth to do this, it's for their own good. "Who knew life, that is no longer hurries +".

Well, it's look like friend was right when said:

almost certainly they will resist recovery process, likely more than those, who left, resisted process of destruction. Because then it was done out of reasonable considerations, and now would be due to strong degradation and addiction = more furiously, rudely and stupidly - fanatically..

Although, as I remember, decision was made due to some technical changes, and not because of developers' desire for attempt to instill foundations of social education to spoiled community

ps. Process' excessive automation without its confirmation by lore/explanation/significancy component is evil, the more, the worse. Only the most necessary can stay, without which you can't cope. Time for taking a weighted decision can't be considered wasted

I expect auto-accept to be re-enabled fairy quickly, no way will the community accept this, it's a stupid change.

Originally Posted by everydaygamer

I expect auto-accept to be re-enabled fairy quickly, no way will the community accept this, it's a stupid change.

I agree. The other stuff i can live with but auto-invite is a must have.

Originally Posted by Noxinator

People bitch and moan because that is what they have been taught to do. The world we live in teaches people instant gratification in all ways, and the group finder addons are no different. Now that you have to work just a tiny bit to your get group, suddenly they feel attacked on their "rights" and their easy way to satisfaction.
Just ignore them, it makes your day that much better

You know, it was an option actually. You could do it without auto-accept, hand-picking your groupies. Hell, you even can do it right now like the good old yelling in lfg or trade channel. It was an option for group leaders to not do a completely dull work of clicking on everyone's nicknames to accept.
I personally created autoaccept groups to speed up WQs a little. I can definitely solo them and now why should I create a group? To print the quest name by hand and then bring up the window every time to accept every incoming request? Nah cba.

Nice chart without numbers, very informative.

I wonder what good should come out of these changes to the looking for group cosmos.
A mmorpg like wow is about playing with other people, finding teammembers, forging alliances and defeat the evil that is facing and threatening Azeroth.
I don't think the various chat channels are a good alternative to a clean ui where you can get the required info: what do we want to do? What do we need? Who wants to join? in one go.

If you have leechers that just hover 10 meters above ground and don't take part in the action of a quest or , more likely, a world quest, then just punish them by not giving them process towards the quest and therefore no rewards for being afk.
These few players shouldn't kill the "i need help with this " and "together we are faster and stronger" combo of other players that fight and collect together.

I cannot really believe that it is about performance issues created by addons either.
You accept a quest, list possible groups for it, join one/create one, do the quest, leave.
Between all these steps there should be enough time to avoid spikes, since you cannot do a quest in 10 seconds usually.
Load should be distributed relatively equal due to this.

If i am wrong and the server is constantly under heavy load from addons creating groups and searching for them, why not limit the rate this api can be used in a way similiar to the auction house? You can get all auctions at once, but only every 15minutes. For groups maybe a lower number would be good
In that way people can use it, enjoy the game and still play nice with the server ressources.

Talking about addons themselfes for group finding.
Apart from world quests, the original interface isn't always as helpfull as it could be.
So to make things easier i suggest the following improvements to the game.

- List DungeonKeys for Mythic of your friends, group applicants and guildmembers if they want to share this. So finding groups for dungeons you want to do gets easier. If you know that people have dungeonkeys you might even chain multiple dungeons together and your bond improves. Addons like keyed list applicants whispered keys in the group invite overview but it should be possible to view this in the standard ui already.

- improve group filters for dungeons and raids. Let me filter for dungeon, m+ level range, itemlevel, roles missing, classes&specs they look for , amount of players in the group, required achievments/kill count, language, bosses killed, personal account best time in that dungeon. So you don't waste time applying for groups that would reject your application anyway.

That would kill a couple of addons people like and you can balance the load of the requests better in your own code.

Originally Posted by Rike

If you have leechers that just hover 10 meters above ground and don't take part in the action of a quest or , more likely, a world quest, then just punish them by not giving them process towards the quest and therefore no rewards for being afk.
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I did more than 17.000 WQs and the leechers don't matter. In every 5man group there are at least two guys who do stuff. Yet it is faster do this way than do those cancer WQs alone... Sometimes I was a leecher too like all of us at some point when you had a phone call or had to grab some drink.
So don't act like you are a pure snowflake.

Those LFG changes are getting even more ridiculous than it already became with 8.0

Just put it back they way it was in Legion ! Let us right click a WQ to join a group...

The removal of the auto accept makes just as much sense as them lumping all of the guild permissions together under officer ranks...which is none!

I do not use the auto accept feature. I can understand that auto accept is not really great at times.
- does it work when you are afk? Then I can understand - fucking annoying for the rest of the group. You come in and just stand there.... for ages
- you forgot you want to join a group (dungeon or raid) and are actively doing some quest that is close to finish. BOOM you are teleported out and can do the quest again or (god forbid) it bugs... you write a ticket... and then it is extra work for Blizzard.... because you are an Rtard.
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why not fixing this broken lfg raid system, same since mop, they never changed it but now they cut through the manual lfg.. i mean its clear this devs have other goals than respond to the player base

This is very disappointing change.