Class Tuning - September 11

Originally Posted by Anaphaze

I don't understand what isn't to get. Ele shamans are consistently one of the worst classes in the game and blizzard has continually shown that they don't care. They aren't going to be competitive, ever. If you're lucky chain lightning MIGHT be strong on mass AOE for a tier. It's time to just reroll like the rest of us.

That's pretty accurate. I love my elemental shaman, and I've been playing him since launch, but goddamn it's not even fun anymore. Combat is boring as hell, and my spells hit like a soggy pancake. When questing, if I happen to pull more than 2 enemies at a time, I have to pop all my cooldowns and pray that Bwomsamdi is feeling generous that day.

So they buff the one class below Boomys, and a bunch of people above Boomys.....but not Boomys.
Greatttt, now we'll be even WORSE in comparison to everyone else....

Originally Posted by Pacster

That's normal for Shadow tho. They are usually completely garbage on release and then turn out a bit sub par after 2 or 3 consecutive buffs. I don't know who is responsible for Shadows but whoever it is screwed up ever since BC. They are always bad in leveling, always bad in farming, always bad in open PvP, always bad in instances...and usually mediocre to somewhat above average in large scale PvP and raids. And they get a new mechanic and role you got to get used to every second addon. If something is the unwanted stepchild of WoW then I think it's Shadows...

And on the other side you got Retry(which at times got released like 3 times as strong as any other class), DK and since last addon DH.

Yeah it's normal, but it's frustrating. It's absurd that Fire Mages, and Shadow Priest are always crap - outside of that one brief moment Fire got to shine before it was quickly nerfed so the pet favorites Frost and Arcane could go back to dominating.

Sick of the top casters ALWAYS being Frost/Arcane Mages.
Tired of top ranged ALWAYS being Mages (Frost and/or Arcane) and Hunters!

Boomys exist. Spriest exist. Elemental Shamans exist!!! FFS, yes Boomys got to be strong in Mythic+ at the end of Legion, but it's silly to act like they've been strong and viable for years, they were strong for a brief moment and now they're bottom of the list. Mages, when is the last time a Frost mage has been pure crap for a real extended period of time? When is the last time both Frost and Arcane have been trash(LOL - never), when is the last time Hunters haven't been viable af!?!? Like come on Blizz, this isn't fair!!!

Originally Posted by Appelgren

The Only people enjoying BM being ridiculously overpowered are bad players. Saying can't have nice things meaning you want to be OP...

Hope you get even more nerfs. You deserve it!

We don't play BM hunter because it's OP. We can't play survival because it's not hunter anymore. MM feels bad to play. WoD survival hunter was great before HFC.
And let's just not talk about what you should deserve..

OMG paladin buff? What is this sorcery?

Originally Posted by Onikaroshi

Holy nerfs were warranted, but why nerf disc dmg without buffing healing? Disc wasn't OP by any sense of the word.

You are horribly uninformed

Originally Posted by Fahrenheit

Lol some of those buffs are a fucking joke. Feral, Fire, the two Warlock specs need more than 5%. Feral could be buffed by 20% and they still wouldn’t be topping meters.

Didn't feral just get another set of major buffs the week prior? Let the new buffs settle in before saying how underpowered they still are.

Originally Posted by memphx

We don't play BM hunter because it's OP. We can't play survival because it's not hunter anymore. MM feels bad to play. WoD survival hunter was great before HFC.
And let's just not talk about what you should deserve..

You misread what I typed too. Try reading it again

Originally Posted by Nupomaniac

You are horribly uninformed

They're middle pack pve, in pvp a nerf was warranted. In the long run this only hurts their healing unfairly because the overperform in pvp.

Originally Posted by Berndorf

Didn't feral just get another set of major buffs the week prior? Let the new buffs settle in before saying how underpowered they still are.

They received an AoE buff about two weeks ago. Still one of the worst AoE specs. A reshuffle to damage/energy regen last week, was DPS neutral for the most part. Now a flat 5% buff. Which will do relatively nothing, even being coupled with some Rogue nerfs. They’re still well under power compared to every melee DPS, particularly leather DPS, despite having the worst AoE of any melee spec and the most annoying to pull of rotation.

Originally Posted by frogbound

Warriors are save (for now!) !!

Prot Warrior BROKEN... FIX it. I mean really just horrible what they have done it one of the most prestigious heritage in mmo's...

Originally Posted by Onikaroshi

They're middle pack pve, in pvp a nerf was warranted. In the long run this only hurts their healing unfairly because the overperform in pvp.

PvP doesnt matter in the slightest. Its like balancing the entire game around pet battles. Nope. Disc was incredibly OP and needed a nerf. The holy nerf i dont really get as much tho

Originally Posted by B a B y D o L L

So they buff the one class below Boomys, and a bunch of people above Boomys.....but not Boomys.
Greatttt, now we'll be even WORSE in comparison to everyone else....





Yeah it's normal, but it's frustrating. It's absurd that Fire Mages, and Shadow Priest are always crap - outside of that one brief moment Fire got to shine before it was quickly nerfed so the pet favorites Frost and Arcane could go back to dominating.

Sick of the top casters ALWAYS being Frost/Arcane Mages.
Tired of top ranged ALWAYS being Mages (Frost and/or Arcane) and Hunters!

Boomys exist. Spriest exist. Elemental Shamans exist!!! FFS, yes Boomys got to be strong in Mythic+ at the end of Legion, but it's silly to act like they've been strong and viable for years, they were strong for a brief moment and now they're bottom of the list. Mages, when is the last time a Frost mage has been pure crap for a real extended period of time? When is the last time both Frost and Arcane have been trash(LOL - never), when is the last time Hunters haven't been viable af!?!? Like come on Blizz, this isn't fair!!!

Crazy how things have changed. I remember classic to early Cata Frost was a PvP only spec, and only remotely viable if you were a master of the specialization. Now I come back after an expac and it's top dog!

Originally Posted by Onikaroshi

They're middle pack pve, in pvp a nerf was warranted. In the long run this only hurts their healing unfairly because the overperform in pvp.

Apparently you're not playing with very good Disc priests, or are not one. They do quite a lot of damage prevention, have a lot of utility, and a lot of great CDs, and do really great healing. They do it all, without a real weakness, compared to say.. Mistweavers, who do a ton of healing throughput, but have no cooldowns or raid utility, or Resto Shamans, who do a ton of healing when stacked only, but also bring a ton of utility and CDs.

If they were just fine in PvE, they wouldn't have nerfed them in PvE, they would have just nerfed them in PvP. They did a lot of damage, and damage = healing, too, which made them amazing in M+

For everyone complaining about Ele, I guess my question is, why haven't you picked up a new favorite class/spec, since every single expansion they get shit on? They're garbage now, they were garbage then, and they will always be garbage.

The discipline nerf is a huge and wrong nerf.
OK, I can buy that he hits too much in pvp. But because pvp you should not nerf on such savage way the pve.
Disciplines are not op on pve healing. The crazy 9% nerf to smite damage not just decrease his damage, also decrease a lot his healing. And, repeat, his healing is not op at all. A good number of other healers beat them.

And discipline priest is harder to use since no really "panic buttons". Also the utility discipline provides is the damage... They don't have true ccs, not provide mana, no ress in combat, not inmunnity...

Originally Posted by Franarok

The discipline nerf is a huge and wrong nerf.
OK, I can buy that he hits too much in pvp. But because pvp you should not nerf on such savage way the pve.
Disciplines are not op on pve healing. The crazy 9% nerf to smite damage not just decrease his damage, also decrease a lot his healing. And, repeat, his healing is not op at all. A good number of other healers beat them.

And discipline priest is harder to use since no really "panic buttons". Also the utility discipline provides is the damage... They don't have true ccs, not provide mana, no ress in combat, not inmunnity...

You need to play better if you don't think is near top. Disc requires a finite "rotation" of sorts to sustain good play in raids.

If you want I teach a class on disc priest raid play for a small nominal fee. Hit me up.

Originally Posted by Nupomaniac

PvP doesnt matter in the slightest. Its like balancing the entire game around pet battles. Nope. Disc was incredibly OP and needed a nerf. The holy nerf i dont really get as much tho

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...=90&metric=hps

Holy got nerfed cause its raid healing is OP, disc is not.

Class tuning leaving disc with 9% nerf on smite its just funny. Disc priest almost outdps my warrior in arena and you think 9% on Smite will change a thing ?
Like on WOD you screw up things badly with reflecting shield now you make even worse letting disc priest do insane dmg. What is this class role dps or heal ? Just open your eyes and see whats going on in arena 90% of the arenas are against disc/rogue , disc/bm hunter. That does not give you a sign that something is wrong with the game , and that the wow community its just desperate to play something op ?

Originally Posted by Onikaroshi

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...=90&metric=hps

Holy got nerfed cause its raid healing is OP, disc is not.

Disc is pretty OP in the healing department if you know what you're doing, if you don't know what you're doing then yea it seems like they suck, but really they are in a great spot, better than Holy in some places. As much as I hate the neft I understand why they did it. I just wish they would do more for Shadow since I'm fully enchanted and buffed and I'm barely doing as much DPS as the Frost mage that has almost no enchants and worse gear, that is problematic.

Originally Posted by Elesday

And nothing for elemental shaman? I don't get it.

They get a rework in the next patch.

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Originally Posted by Verth Aeyta

Disc is pretty OP in the healing department if you know what you're doing, if you don't know what you're doing then yea it seems like they suck, but really they are in a great spot, better than Holy in some places. As much as I hate the neft I understand why they did it. I just wish they would do more for Shadow since I'm fully enchanted and buffed and I'm barely doing as much DPS as the Frost mage that has almost no enchants and worse gear, that is problematic.

So nobody on Warcraftlogs knows what they're doing?

Originally Posted by Verth Aeyta

Disc is pretty OP in the healing department if you know what you're doing, if you don't know what you're doing then yea it seems like they suck, but really they are in a great spot, better than Holy in some places. As much as I hate the neft I understand why they did it. I just wish they would do more for Shadow since I'm fully enchanted and buffed and I'm barely doing as much DPS as the Frost mage that has almost no enchants and worse gear, that is problematic.

Holy was miles ahead of disc on every fight aside from g'huun, and one fight is not a reason to nerf. MW is ahead on Taloc, where's their nerf for one fight?

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Originally Posted by Aydinx2

So nobody on Warcraftlogs knows what they're doing?

Exactly, these people act like we're not posting the high skill logs.... like what?