Class Tuning - September 11
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
With maintenance next week, starting on Tuesday, September 11, we'll be making some targeted tuning adjustments to several specs based on how they’re performing in a variety of content. Here’s an outline of those adjustments:


We will note the final changes along with other hotfixes in the Tuesday hotfixes update added to our hotfixes blog post.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Class Tuning - September 11 started by chaud View original post
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  1. lyphe's Avatar
    Good lord the ignorance runs deep with some of these references to 'lazy' comments.

    It's not lazy, it's by design that they do the nerfs this way. They changed a lot of the talents many years back specifically so they could 'turn the dial' in exactly this type of way when tuning.
  1. Ealyssa's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by lyphe View Post
    Good lord the ignorance runs deep with some of these references to 'lazy' comments.

    It's not lazy, it's by design that they do the nerfs this way. They changed a lot of the talents many years back specifically so they could 'turn the dial' in exactly this type of way when tuning.
    Let the stupid cry. They'll never understand...
  1. Archmage Alodi's Avatar
    Oh fire buffs! nice.
  1. Malikath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Elesday View Post
    And nothing for elemental shaman? I don't get it.
    that's typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anaphaze View Post
    Well, sure, that'd make sense, if it weren't for some key points:

    1) most people who have mained hunters in the past have done so enjoying the ranged playstyle of the class.

    2) they made survival melee, which is fine, but for the majority of hunters, not necessarily what they wanted out of their class.

    3) this expansion they ALSO gutted and significantly altered marksmanship, to such a degree that there is close to ZERO chance they will be competitive compared to BM until significant changes are made.

    Your "only people who play bm are bad players" argument would make sense if it wasn't the ONLY option for hunters who never wanted to play a melee. But sure, go ahead and spout your ignorance.
    pretty much this, BM is brain-dead but is used becasue MM is utter trash both in performance and rotation and melee survival is an abomination.
  1. Art the Clown's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Elesday View Post
    And nothing for elemental shaman? I don't get it.
    Don't worry you'll get the usual obscene lazy buff to chain lightning that turns you into a tesla cannon.

    The shadow buffs won't help. The spec is mechanically broken.
  1. Raven's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SkagenRora View Post
    Blizz dosen't realise that 5% over and over dosen't do jack sheet, needs to be something like 30 or 50%
    And people still dont understand that even small changes can have big effects, and 5% over all damage is a pretty big change.

    Its alot better to do 5% see the effects and then adjust more if needed, then do really big numbers.
  1. Kazuchika's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    And people still dont understand that even small changes can have big effects, and 5% over all damage is a pretty big change.

    Its alot better to do 5% see the effects and then adjust more if needed, then do really big numbers.
    If you seriously think a 5% dps increase is going to fix feral or demo you're an absolute fool. This post sounds just like the cliche "they'll fix it in alpha/beta/next patch guys".
  1. Rawrajishxc's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    And people still dont understand that even small changes can have big effects, and 5% over all damage is a pretty big change.

    Its alot better to do 5% see the effects and then adjust more if needed, then do really big numbers.
    5% isn't shit tbh and if you think it is, you're fooling yourself over how terrible Blizzard is at balancing or fixing anything.
  1. mrinvisable2's Avatar
    i finaly snaped , what a inbreed moorons, fcking healing rain buff and riptide buff, for fucks sake healing wave and healing surge cant top tanks in m+ without using link on them. its looks like class team is ran by baboons, as they ruined most of the specs for bfa compared to legion
    sorry for bad language
  1. terminaltrip421's Avatar
    I forgot survival went melee =D. either I haven't played since then or I spec'd MM and just don't remember.
  1. kaintk's Avatar
    oh they must think dk are in a good shape heh
  1. Raven's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrajishxc View Post
    5% isn't shit tbh and if you think it is, you're fooling yourself over how terrible Blizzard is at balancing or fixing anything.
    And where did i say a 5% is enough, i said its better to do 5% see the effects and adjust more if needed then do big numbers.
  1. cparle87's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by RyusekiV2 View Post
    Garbage zero effort changes
    Found Scarecrowz alt account while he's banned. At least use a different avatar.
  1. Appelgren's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Anaphaze View Post
    Your "only people who play bm are bad players" argument would make sense if it wasn't the ONLY option for hunters who never wanted to play a melee. But sure, go ahead and spout your ignorance.
    I said "enjoying BM being overpowered" aka the fact that it's broken.

    You're argumenting something I didn't even say!
    Learn to read before you try to sound like you are the bees knees
  1. off3nc3's Avatar
    BM needs a 10+ dmg reduction all across the board , this is not enough.
  1. Torto's Avatar
    C'mon people, we all know classes will be balanced in time for 9.0 so i don't know what you are all getting worked up over.
  1. Khailik's Avatar
    Hey look at that no Elemental love. Why am I not surprised?
  1. Malikath's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Raven View Post
    And where did i say a 5% is enough, i said its better to do 5% see the effects and adjust more if needed then do big numbers.
    they're numbers, they don't need to "wait and see" they can create a character, spawn in equipment and test it internally.
    but this is blizzard we're talking about, laziness defines them.
  1. Anaphaze's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Appelgren View Post
    I said "enjoying BM being overpowered" aka the fact that it's broken.

    You're argumenting something I didn't even say!
    Learn to read before you try to sound like you are the bees knees
    You are assuming that everyone who is mad about BM nerfs is "enjoying BM being overpowered", when it could, you know, just maybe, be because if BM is nerfed into irrelevancy they 0 options for ranged hunter specs because no amount of buffs could make MM enjoyable and good.

    The majority of hunters, at this point in WoW's lifespan, aren't just "bm huntards" of the past. In fact, I'd guess that most BM hunters at this point are just disgruntled MM hunter mains looking for a home after blizzard destroyed MM (and i mean, destroyed BM and survival as well around WOTLK-CATA).
  1. Appelgren's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Anaphaze View Post
    You are assuming that everyone who is mad about BM nerfs is "enjoying BM being overpowered", when it could, you know, just maybe, be because if BM is nerfed into irrelevancy they 0 options for ranged hunter specs because no amount of buffs could make MM enjoyable and good.

    The majority of hunters, at this point in WoW's lifespan, aren't just "bm huntards" of the past. In fact, I'd guess that most BM hunters at this point are just disgruntled MM hunter mains looking for a home after blizzard destroyed MM (and i mean, destroyed BM and survival as well around WOTLK-CATA).
    No! I was specifically talking about those enjoying being brokenly overpowered. Stop trying to put words into my mouth to fit your agenda. You are talking about something completely different than I am. Move along mate

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