Battle for Stromgarde Warfront Available for Alliance

Originally Posted by Sydpolen

I'm sorry, but you are the one not good with logic here.

When Warfront was opened (which took ~5-6 days) everyone from Method and Limit had already farmed gear from Mythic+, rendering Warfront useless for gearing when it comes to actual World First race.

After that, why would or should there be a rush in gearing up asap? I for one did Warfront only once, but it's so goddamn boring since there's no challenge whatsoever, that I went back to Mythic+, as it's more challenging and more rewarding.

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Warfront does not enable outgearing. Getting 340 gear is not outgearing. Getting 1x370 is not outgearing BY FAR. People that are in a hurry to gear up spam M+ and "outgear" others by doing that as much as possible.
Warfront is, if anything, just there for Alts to "catch-up" and be able to raid after 2 days from hitting 120. (Getting 320 ilvl does not take that long, and if it does take several days for you, then the whole "outgearing" argument is kinda null...)

Facepalm..I mentioned Method and Limit to show how big difference can be by gear...Try to explain slowly..

Week 1: Horde going to unlock warfronts, both alli and horde can farm rares except world boss (370 with chance), both have chance in M+, but with bad luck you might fked

Are you still with me?

Week 2: Horde unlocks Warfront with 100% 370 and BASELINE 340 gear..Alliance wanking in the corner....

Still with me?

Week 3: Alliance started to unlock Warfront, Rares resets for HORDE ONLY....

Week 4: Warfront unlocks for Alliance....

If still not enough to point out the unbalance between the factions, then i do not know what do you need....

Now that I've had a chance to play warfronts (Alliance), I believe their biggest problem is tuning. It's worse than LFR! Is Blizz so down on casual players (surely they tuned this for casual player base) that they are afraid to have game features for them that are even remotely challenging?

I don't feel like I'm playing warfronts; I feel like I'm going for a ride. I don't mean AFK, because I'm not a slacker. I just don't feel that what I do in warfronts matters. At all. It's just run around and fight stuff or click on glowy stuff and wait for the inevitable victory. Surely Blizz anticipated this part - how could they not? How could they expect that this would be engaging game play?

Originally Posted by cateran

Facepalm..I mentioned Method and Limit to show how big difference can be by gear...Try to explain slowly..

Week 1: Horde going to unlock warfronts, both alli and horde can farm rares except world boss (370 with chance), both have chance in M+, but with bad luck you might fked

Are you still with me?

Week 2: Horde unlocks Warfront with 100% 370 and BASELINE 340 gear..Alliance wanking in the corner....

Still with me?

Week 3: Alliance started to unlock Warfront, Rares resets for HORDE ONLY....

Week 4: Warfront unlocks for Alliance....

If still not enough to point out the unbalance between the factions, then i do not know what do you need....

You do know that Method and Limit both are Horde faction, right? You do know that it wasn't gear alone that decided the progression? Gear helps, but it is most of the time not the deciding factor. If gear was the only factor in this, then how come there actually were Alliance guilds that was at 7/8 at the same time as Limit and Method? Did they secretly open/exploit into Warfront to outgear their fellow Alliance players?

You can facepalm as much as you want, but you are grasping for straws. If you think 1x370 gear from Warfront makes such huge differense, then I will start believeing that you aren't even playing BFA.

"both have chance in M+, but with bad luck you might fked"? That makes no sense at all. Both have chance? There's no chance in that. Both factions did farm M+ (both factions farmed M0 until M+ got unlocked). No one got "bad luck you might fked", whatever that is supposed to mean.

Now, if you read my full response, you might notice that getting 340 from Warfront DOES NOT EQUAL TO OUTGEARING. You can get your 340+ from Mythic0, so just go do that. You could get 340+ gear from PvP alone, so just go do that. Warfront is for alts to catch-up gearwise. Anyone that was 120 before Warfront got released (and had decent time to play) had good enough gear that it rendered Warfront completely worthless. I did not rush with my Shaman, but I had already outgeared Warfront that there was no point for me to do it when it got unlocked. Everyone complaining about it is just riding the whine-wagon that is ongoing.

Stop thinking that Warfront is THE way to get high-end gear. It isn't. A friend of mine spammed Warfront to get his 340 gear, yet I outgeared him because I decided to do M+ instead, and PvP. When he had an average ilvl of 345 I was sitting at 355 already. You don't get 355 from Warfront alone, you average to 340, which is the same if you had farmed M0.
Next time, skip the "Still with me?" bs, since clearly you don't understand the concept "OUTGEARING" or "ADVANTAGE". I suggest you look it up. Horde getting advantage in getting M0 gear 1 week after M+ has been released? Just laughable.

Originally Posted by Sydpolen

Horde had 1 week of time to push M+ as high as possible before they had access to Warfront. By the time Warfront opened they had already outgeared Warfront drops, so for gearing purposes Warfront was useless, except for 1 single item. This quote above shows just how ignorant your rant is.

Then I certainly stand corrected. You're right, what was I thinking! Blizzard always releases content with rewards that are already useless. Well in that case, it doesn't matter that warfronts provide useless junk.. in fact.. it seems like the only thing to actually play is M+... screw the rest of the game. Brilliant design!

Oh.. and just FYI... https://youtu.be/Zv9aJeIInW8?t=15m59s

Warfronts could be ran doing absolutely nothing... getting 340-370 gear... You just spam it and completely gear out going AFK.

FACT. So while maybe some dummy was running M+... some other dude was sitting in Warfronts getting dozens of gear items getting war and titan forge procs.

Originally Posted by Maudib

Then I certainly stand corrected. You're right, what was I thinking! Blizzard always releases content with rewards that are already useless. Well in that case, it doesn't matter that warfronts provide useless junk.. in fact.. it seems like the only thing to actually play is M+... screw the rest of the game. Brilliant design!

Oh.. and just FYI... https://youtu.be/Zv9aJeIInW8?t=15m59s

Warfronts could be ran doing absolutely nothing... getting 340-370 gear... You just spam it and completely gear out going AFK.

FACT. So while maybe some dummy was running M+... some other dude was sitting in Warfronts getting dozens of gear items getting war and titan forge procs.

I never said Warfront was good Game Design. On the contratry, I've complained that Warfront is useless and boring, as there's no challenge in it.

Also; FACT. So while maybe some dummy was running Warfront... some other dude was farming M+ getting 360+ ilvl items getting war and titan forge procs.
Your point was that Warfront was about outgearing, while the ilvl on the gear is the same as M0, which, as I stated, people already had from doing M0 prior it being released, and did 1 week of M+ and Uldir before Warfront opened.

Also, stop linking to HeelvsBabyface, most of his videos are just whinefest and ignoring facts, making up some BS just to get views.

Originally Posted by Sydpolen

Also, stop linking to HeelvsBabyface, most of his videos are just whinefest and ignoring facts, making up some BS just to get views.

I'll link whatever I want. My point, "fact", is that you could completely gear out in 2 hours and easily push M10+. You could not do that starting in Mythic.