Mythic+ Azerite Armor Improvements
Originally Posted by Blizzard
Throughout the discussions regarding Azerite Armor, there’s been a lot of talk about how you earn Azerite pieces from Mythic+ dungeons. Players have told us – and we agree – that the process of earning Azerite Armor through Mythic+ feels overly based on luck, and that there isn’t enough control in the players’ hands. Even with our bad luck protection systems in place, the sheer number of potential Azerite pieces you can get from the weekly chest means that trying to get ahold of a specific piece feels hopeless.

That’s a problem we want to solve, and give you some control over the Azerite gear you earn through Mythic+. So here’s what we’re working on for Tides of Vengeance:

First, we’re adding a new (as yet unnamed) currency, which you’ll earn from your weekly Mythic+ chest as well as from scrapping (or disenchanting) epic-quality Azerite Armor. This currency is rewarded in addition to the item in the chest (which can no longer be an Azerite piece), and the amount you earn will scale up based on the highest level Keystone you’ve completed. For example, completing a level 10 Keystone will reward you with about three times as much as clearing a level 7. Similarly, scrapping higher-item-level Azerite pieces will give you significantly higher amounts of this currency than lower-level pieces.

To spend that currency, we’re bringing back an old friend: Thaumaturge Vashreen. He’ll have two main types of items for sale. The first are caches that reward a random dungeon Azerite Armor piece for a given slot (helm, shoulders, or chest). They’ll be separated out by item level as well (at 355, 370, and 385), with higher item level caches requiring significantly more currency to purchase.

But we recognize that with six or more options per slot, this may still not be enough control for high-end players who want to be able to work towards a specific piece that perfectly complements their build. Thus, Vashreen will also offer Item Level 385 versions of the specific dungeon Azerite Armor pieces for each class, sold at a premium.

We’re still nailing down the exact numbers, but our goal for tuning this new currency is that you’ll be able to purchase one of the Azerite caches that lines up roughly with the item level of the gear you’re getting from your Mythic+ runs every two or three weeks, with the specific 385 pieces as long-term goals for top players.

Overall, we believe that this change will improve things in a lot of different ways:
  • Mythic+ players of all skill levels will now have a clear path to upgrading their Azerite slots
  • High-end Mythic+ players will have a way to target specific Azerite pieces to optimize their setups
  • Duplicate or unwanted Azerite pieces from other sources (such as raiding) now have some additional value
  • The piece of gear in your weekly chest will have a more reliable item level

You should see all of this hitting the Tides of Vengeance PTR sometime in the next week or so. We really do appreciate your feedback, and believe that this, in addition to the new traits and other improvements coming to the Azerite system in Tides of Vengeance, will help ease a lot of the concerns about Azerite Armor in Mythic+ and as a whole.

Couple quick clarifications based on feedback so far:
  • Only Azerite Armor that drops after Tides of Vengeance is released will scrap/disenchant into the new currency. Don't worry about hoarding the Azerite pieces you're earning now.
  • When the next Mythic+ season starts, and item levels increase, the item levels of Thaumaturge Vashreen's wares will increase accordingly.
  • We recognize that PvPers want more options and choice too. We're talking about that separately.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Mythic+ Azerite Armor Improvements started by chaud View original post
Comments 208 Comments
  1. SilenceRedo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    So they are giving us the option to get certain 385 azerite pieces when the new level cap will be 420 or something?
    No, they are not.

    And why the actual fuck do you think you are entitled to mythic raiding gear? They should give you 370s and that's it.
  1. Puupi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SilenceRedo View Post
    No, they are not.
    [citation needed]

    And why the actual fuck do you think you are entitled to mythic raiding gear? They should give you 370s and that's it.
    Entitled. What a nice edgelord word.

    Who gives a fuck about mythic raiders anymore anyway. Mythic raiding isn't the current end game anyway.
  1. munkeyinorbit's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by prettydots View Post
    Welp, looks like I'll stay unsubbed. They keep trying to make this crap Azerite system work when the majority of players admit it stinks.
    I guess reading comprehension and reading are not the same thing. This change gives everyone exactly what they want.
  1. EverDash's Avatar
    Why are they over-complicating EVERYTHING in this expansion?
  1. huldu's Avatar
    Another example of how far off blizzard is these days. They're just too stubborn. A horrible band-aid to a *terrible* system. I don't expect them to scrap the azerite but at least they could *phase* it out. It's like trying to build a castle in a swamp.
  1. sirethas's Avatar
    I can't believe so many people here complaining about this great change, fkin people how ungrateful can gaming community be jesus. The whole azerite system might be crap, but they are trying to improve it, but no matter what they do, you just look here and it's non-stop complaint about anything.
    Just sad.
  1. Alcsaar's Avatar
    The item level of the tokens are not random. You either buy a 355, 370, or 385 token at increasing costs.
    Yes, and whether they pull off appropriate cost balance will determine if we can expect to be able to purchase an appropriate item level of gear compared to the mythics we run or not. That isn't a perfect science so I said "appropriate" in quotes because we really don't know - and in my experience Blizzard tends to err to the side of being restrictive.
  1. ZazuuPriest's Avatar
    HOLY SHIT, a change in the right direction?
  1. Brewmaster Kolee's Avatar
    These changes are exactly what most of us have been asking for. Well done Blizz. Best response to feedback in quite some time.
  1. Vapo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Brewmaster Kolee View Post
    These changes are exactly what most of us have been asking for. Well done Blizz. Best response to feedback in quite some time.
    Not really, but atleast they dont exactly make it worse. Getting multiple azerite pieces still takes forever, reforging costs are unchanged and to actually experiment or collect multiple sets like they want us to, takes eternity still. At least you arent relied on cache RNG to get one specific piece but its still a long time to get enough currency to buy it.
  1. zoenova's Avatar
    How about some love for us casual peeps, that like to do world quests? Seems you have nerfed warforge and titanforge chances into the dirty on wq's.

    It sucks azerite 340+ is gated to high mythic plus and raiding. Alot of us don't have time for all that, but love to play wow.
  1. Playintrafic's Avatar
    Blizz just doesnt fucking get it.

    You should be able to grind out your azerite pieces in a couple nights, not in several weeks. Thats whole damn problem with the system. If you are going after dungeon drops, they should drop. Not several weeks to get it. The whole weekly lock out of dungeon gear is trash. As the raid gear is still better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoenova View Post
    How about some love for us casual peeps, that like to do world quests? Seems you have nerfed warforge and titanforge chances into the dirty on wq's.

    It sucks azerite 340+ is gated to high mythic plus and raiding. Alot of us don't have time for all that, but love to play wow.
    If you aren't raiding OR doing m+ then you dont need 355 or higher azerite items. Especially with outdoor content scaling to your Ilvl now, you are just making wqs harder with better gear.

    And everything pre Legion is soloable easily, and legion isn't meant to be done solo. Its not "legacy" content yet as blizz is under the delusion its still current.
  1. Vapo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by zoenova View Post
    How about some love for us casual peeps, that like to do world quests? Seems you have nerfed warforge and titanforge chances into the dirty on wq's.

    It sucks azerite 340+ is gated to high mythic plus and raiding. Alot of us don't have time for all that, but love to play wow.
    you can get 355 azerite from emissarys or worldbosses and couple of weekly quests, like time walking or warfront quest for 370 lewts.And its not like normal mode raiding is hard either, dont need guild for that, tho might be slightly harder to get groups.

    Also doing low level M+ keys that are complete joke anyway to do with 340 ilvl, you can earn the new currency towards 355/370 caches. You arent completely out of loop, sure you cant get higher azerite from WQs but its not like you need to be clearing +15s or raid heroic/mythic to get beyond 340 azerites.
  1. D3cadent's Avatar
    So basically it's an extra reroll token every 2 weeks? COZ THIS SHIT IS STILL RETARDED RNG SLOT MACHINE.

    GTFO of here, Blizzard. Take a damn hint about the hate for these layers upon layers of RNG.
  1. McFrotton's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SinR View Post
    Except Blizzard says its only the Epic ones will scrap into this new currency

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    I'm actually for the reintroduction of Reforge.
    Yeah they actually said it after my comment, and they said only after 8.1 drop. but WQ 355 will drop token too.
  1. veloreum's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by meowfurion View Post
    And while you're at it, fucking QUADRUPLE the drop rate of all weapons across the board. Seriously, this is just fucking stupid.
    Please don't. Every m+ chest I've opened has been a weapon.
  1. lyphe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Archmage Alodi View Post
    You can buy specific items at a higher price.
    Per Blizz, 2-3 weeks of running M+ will give you enough to buy one of the 'random' caches.
    Yes, you can spend more and buy one of the 'premium' specific items for a higher cost, but wtf is that going to be ... 4-5 weeks of M+ farming?
    That sounds like a good deal to you?
  1. meowfurion's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by veloreum View Post
    Please don't. Every m+ chest I've opened has been a weapon.
    Then your luck accounts for less than .001% of the playerbase. Sure that's made up, but you are BY FAR the minority in that regard.
  1. SilenceRedo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    [citation needed]


    Entitled. What a nice edgelord word.

    Who gives a fuck about mythic raiders anymore anyway. Mythic raiding isn't the current end game anyway.
    Keep lying to yourself inside your pleb m+ bubble.

    End game in wow has always had one name. Raiding.
  1. Marrilaife's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by meowfurion View Post
    Then your luck accounts for less than .001% of the playerbase. Sure that's made up, but you are BY FAR the minority in that regard.
    Yeah, I haven't looted a single weapon so far from the weekly chest and only 1 azerite piece.

    Quote Originally Posted by zoenova View Post
    How about some love for us casual peeps, that like to do world quests?
    They upped the ilvl for emissary Azerite... I'm getting 355 cache on an alt that did no m+ or raiding so far, only things I did was timewalking, world bosses, warfront etc. casual content. I bought a BOE DMF trinket, rest of the items are from the aforementioned content.

    Also new Darkshore warfront is coming, so even more free gear inc.

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