Patch 8.0.1 Hotfixes - November 27, 2018: Grievous Affix, Mythic Uldir, and Ulduar

Originally Posted by Wretchedmist

The change to grievous is really nice. Glad to see that. The mythic Uldir nerfs are nice to see, too. Uldir has been a bummer of a raid. Overtuned on mythic for a first raid, too. Just my two cents.

Grievous actually hasn't changed much, wowhead has a good analysis showing that this change basically does nothing, because ticks are larger now... So grievous is still extremely overtuned.

Originally Posted by Wretchedmist

The change to grievous is really nice.

Yeah? You think buffing grievous is really nice? Not sure that affix is one that should have been made harder, but I'm assuming you just read it as they removed a stack so it's automatically easier? Might be worth looking into it, it's actually harder now.

Originally Posted by Laqweeta

I've reported so many ads... This website is unusable on mobile.

And that's how it'll continue to be. When I get that full screen ad telling me I've won a $1000 Walmart gift card..? All mighty dollar.

Both this and wowhead sites are impossible on mobile (tons of redirecting adds to scam sites, auto-play music/video adds and all those dirty tricks they use to capture the clicks on your screen way over the designated add area). Reported as much as possible on both sites and but those adds are still there.

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Whew thanks god they nerfed Algalon...the progress was insane

Originally Posted by Emerald Archer

Who cares if bad players get CE? As far as a lot of players are concerned, if you don't have CE by now you don't deserve it, you got the nerf of 10 RA stacks and a ton of gear, whole raid is significantly easier now than it was before.
But CE doesn't matter, top 100 is a totally different world to top 500, they aren't seen as anywhere near equal just because they got a little achievement. That's all it is, a meaningless achievement. World rank means much more.

Bad players will never get that.

People working on Mythic Uldir are far from bad. Bad players will never kill theses bosses even with nerfs. It's not the same kind of nerf like Firelands where you out of nowhere could kill everything with far less than the intended ilvl thanks to the massive nerfs that made you ignore the mechanics (and get stuck at Heroic Ragnaros because they didn't nerf him).

"Bad" players will maybe kill Taloc/Mother, but they won't be able to kill the rest with that kind of nerf.

Originally Posted by VanishO2

Bad players will never get that.

People working on Mythic Uldir are far from bad. Bad players will never kill theses bosses even with nerfs. It's not the same kind of nerf like Firelands where you out of nowhere could kill everything with far less than the intended ilvl thanks to the massive nerfs that made you ignore the mechanics (and get stuck at Heroic Ragnaros because they didn't nerf him).

"Bad" players will maybe kill Taloc/Mother, but they won't be able to kill the rest with that kind of nerf.

Completely depends on your definition of a bad player. I think someone who can't follow their rotation at even the most basic level, someone who can't handle mechanics, can't remember to enchant their weapon, can't understand how a boss works and wipes their raid countless times due to not being able to do a simple job like run an orb, I think those players are bad players. And those players definitely can and have already gotten CE.

Just because you're 8/8M now, doesn't automatically mean you have even the slightest idea how to play your spec or know how mechanics work.

If you suck at playing your spec and doing mechanics, you aren't good, you aren't okay, you're bad. There's different levels of bad, for sure. But you can be 8/8M and be bad, just like you can be 8/8H and be bad.

And that's 8/8M players, imagine how much worse 7/8+6/8M players can be.

Originally Posted by Laqweeta

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Originally Posted by Runstarr

Whew thanks god they nerfed Algalon...the progress was insane

I mean there's Timewalking Ulduar coming up next week so...

Should've made some change to Uldum as well, just to have three Ulds up there.

Originally Posted by JepJepa

Adds are usually based on your browsing history rofl. Shame.

What’s an add?

Anyways, I use UBlock on my computer so I don’t get them.

On mobile it’s t e r r I b l e. I don’t browse gold selling ads on mobile,
Who would..? Buy a wow token and sell it lmao

Originally Posted by Zka

Grievous actually hasn't changed much, wowhead has a good analysis showing that this change basically does nothing, because ticks are larger now... So grievous is still extremely overtuned.

Grievous is percentage based and has been nerfed several times since it was introduced. A tick is every three seconds. When it first appeared on 7.2 PTR, it was 5% per stack, then 4%, then was released live at 3.5%. 7.2.5 changed it to 2.5%, then 8.0.1 made it 2%. Now with only 4 stacks, grievous deals a max of 8% of your health every 3 seconds instead of 10%, instead of 12.5% before BfA, and instead of 17.5% when it first came out.

7.2: 5 stacks of 3.5%
7.2.5: 5 stacks of 2.5%
8.0.1: 5 stacks of 2%
hotfix: 4 stacks of 2%

Originally Posted by Wretchedmist

The change to grievous is really nice. Glad to see that. The mythic Uldir nerfs are nice to see, too. Uldir has been a bummer of a raid. Overtuned on mythic for a first raid, too. Just my two cents.

its actually harder now, the only nice change to griev is when they remove it together with necrotic.

Originally Posted by VanishO2

Both this and wowhead sites are impossible on mobile (tons of redirecting adds to scam sites, auto-play music/video adds and all those dirty tricks they use to capture the clicks on your screen way over the designated add area). Reported as much as possible on both sites and but those adds are still there.

So, blocked evertyhing with ublock and adblock. No regrets. Don't want me to block, don't use those kind of adds.

You're both doing something horribly wrong. No ads on my mobile

Originally Posted by Kanegasi

Grievous is percentage based and has been nerfed several times since it was introduced. A tick is every three seconds. When it first appeared on 7.2 PTR, it was 5% per stack, then 4%, then was released live at 3.5%. 7.2.5 changed it to 2.5%, then 8.0.1 made it 2%. Now with only 4 stacks, grievous deals a max of 8% of your health every 3 seconds instead of 10%, instead of 12.5% before BfA, and instead of 17.5% when it first came out.

7.2: 5 stacks of 3.5%
7.2.5: 5 stacks of 2.5%
8.0.1: 5 stacks of 2%
hotfix: 4 stacks of 2%

8.0.1 was actually 5 stacks of 1.5%.
Hotfix 1 was 5 stacks of 2%.
Hotfix 2 is now 4 stacks of 2%.
Both hotfixes are harder than the original 8.0.1 iteration at their maximum stacks.

Originally Posted by Simca

8.0.1 was actually 5 stacks of 1.5%.
Hotfix 1 was 5 stacks of 2%.
Hotfix 2 is now 4 stacks of 2%.
Both hotfixes are harder than the original 8.0.1 iteration at their maximum stacks.

Ah, I missed those hotfixes. I was going off wowhead’s build history.

Originally Posted by Laqweeta

What’s an add?

Anyways, I use UBlock on my computer so I don’t get them.

On mobile it’s t e r r I b l e. I don’t browse gold selling ads on mobile,
Who would..? Buy a wow token and sell it lmao

why im not surpriced that first thing you come up with is grammar stuff and FYI when i read your post about those ads i was on my phone, and i saw no such ads. Also if you have same google account on your phone and computer and you are syncing them, you will see browsing history, bookmarks etc on your phone. Waiting on another grammar reply.

Originally Posted by JepJepa

why im not surpriced that first thing you come up with is grammar stuff and FYI when i read your post about those ads i was on my phone, and i saw no such ads. Also if you have same google account on your phone and computer and you are syncing them, you will see browsing history, bookmarks etc on your phone. Waiting on another grammar reply.

Sure thing. Surpriced.

Anyways, I don’t browse gold selling websites. I don’t even play retail lmao

Originally Posted by Emerald Archer

Completely depends on your definition of a bad player. I think someone who can't follow their rotation at even the most basic level, someone who can't handle mechanics, can't remember to enchant their weapon, can't understand how a boss works and wipes their raid countless times due to not being able to do a simple job like run an orb, I think those players are bad players. And those players definitely can and have already gotten CE.

Just because you're 8/8M now, doesn't automatically mean you have even the slightest idea how to play your spec or know how mechanics work.

If you suck at playing your spec and doing mechanics, you aren't good, you aren't okay, you're bad. There's different levels of bad, for sure. But you can be 8/8M and be bad, just like you can be 8/8H and be bad.

And that's 8/8M players, imagine how much worse 7/8+6/8M players can be.

Dude, you're so out of touch...

There's not one player (unless carried) who killed M G'huun and applies for your definition of bad. The kind of player you describe are the ones struggling with G’huun HEROIC! Maybe they are even 1/8 or 2/8 but certainly not capable of killing Vectis, Zek’voz or Fetid on Mythic. The people killing these bosses are for sure proper enchanted and have even a little bit of a clue of how to play their class/rotation/mechanics.

Originally Posted by Emerald Archer

Completely depends on your definition of a bad player. I think someone who can't follow their rotation at even the most basic level, someone who can't handle mechanics, can't remember to enchant their weapon, can't understand how a boss works and wipes their raid countless times due to not being able to do a simple job like run an orb, I think those players are bad players. And those players definitely can and have already gotten CE.

Just because you're 8/8M now, doesn't automatically mean you have even the slightest idea how to play your spec or know how mechanics work.

If you suck at playing your spec and doing mechanics, you aren't good, you aren't okay, you're bad. There's different levels of bad, for sure. But you can be 8/8M and be bad, just like you can be 8/8H and be bad.

And that's 8/8M players, imagine how much worse 7/8+6/8M players can be.

This reminds me of a certain Tinder-research which showed that women think ~70% of men are BELOW AVERAGE looking.
Which is, by definition, a statistical fallacy.

Bah, your whole post.. We are all humans, don't you agree? I want to be with you for some time to watch a 100th percentile human being at being.. good at humaning. Because you are not bad.. at anything.. are you?

Originally Posted by Laqweeta

If you don't support the site with money we'll show ads INCLUDING gold selling ads.

Worthless, knowing YOU are the top WoW fan site and to do this...? Shame.

You realize those ads are derived from cookies from other sites. SO if you don’t want to see those ads....don’t buy gold....