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can someone explain this to me?

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Originally Posted by Eleccybubb

"doesn't hold your hand"?

I'd say it definitely holds your hand as much as other MMOs in terms of QoL. I mean even the buttons for abilities flash when you use them.

And "intricate and satisfying"? Literally most melee is just "push this button combination in a specific order while using buffs". Class playstyle is exactly the same as WoWs. Rotational for the most part. Dragoon is probably one of the worst Melee jobs in a game for a long time.

I'm not denying FF14 is a good game but that's just flat out wrong. The decent story is probably only one of the few correct things you listed. As someone who mains that MMO that is just misinformation at it's finest for the most part.

And more stuff to do is very subjective. I'd say both games are fairly even with what they offer in terms of content.

I dunno, I've played World of Warcraft since Vanilla (Though I did unsub a couple months ago.) And when I started getting up there in levels, I began to realize something. "One hotbar is not enough." I could raid mythic in WoW with no more than 1 hotbar's worth of abilities / spells. "Rotations" on most classes consists of what...? 5 abilities? They all play virtually the same. Build your resource, spend your resource. Build your combo points, spend your combo points and that's it.

I began my adventure in FF XIV as an archer. It was very simple, very easy for a long while, but once I got up in the higher levels, towards 60, I had so many buttons to press, buffs to keep track of and debuffs to maintain, that I wasn't sure what the fuck i was doing, and it was fun... Legit fun. While the classes aren't rocket science to play, its still much more engaging, than picking a class in WoW, hit max level and then realize "This is my rotation; Filler, filler, filler spend, filler filler, procc, spend, filler, filler, spend." On the bard, I was weaving in instant casts, songs (AoE Buffs.) And keeping track of dots, cooldowns and proccs.

As for content. Yes, it is subjective, but, the content FF XIV offers, outside of dungeons / raid is a lot engaging, than the nothingness offered by WoW. Professions? They're treated as full fledged classes, with its own gear, spells, abilities and depth. In WoW? Click "Craft." Player housing? In FF XIV you can buy your own house (Small, medium, large) And decorate it as you see fit. In WoW? I dunno, we had garrisons? Golden Saucer vs Darkmoon Faire? Golden Saucer is up all the time, it has minigames, cycles events, has a weekly transmog riddle, a lottery, a card game and an RTS styled pet battle system.

Then lets talk about the RP side of things. in WoW, you have a static amount of emotes, and one dance per race. In final fantasy, you have a huge amount of emotes and even facial expressions, you can unlock more in quests, you can unlock more dances, you can unlock more hairstyles. And speaking of hairstyles, the character customization, while not perfect, is also a lot more free in FF XIV than it is in WoW.

So sure, they might be fairly even in the amount of content they offer, but if you put the Garrison on the same level as player housing, I'm gonna gag

Originally Posted by spalernTJ

Come join the rest of the refugees in Final Fantasy XIV, where classes are actually intricate, doesn't hold your hand, and gives you a satisfying playstyle, Where the main story of the game has been and is still treasured by the developers, and where you will have a hundred times more stuff to do, than in WoW.

bah final fantasy is too complicated.. that and they dont have what world of warcraft gives me i love my sexy female transmogs.. that and someone has to keep jaina sylvanas yrel taelia tyrande vereesa alleria and garona all pleasured. >.>

Originally Posted by Exkrementor

I guess the class "reworks" are done huh?

See ya next expansion Bois!

You really sound like a person ion describes tho, there been tons of buffs and reworks to talents and such in the last few patches, yet here you are complainin how the world ends.

Thank god I rerolled 2 weeks after release from my beloved warlock which I've played since cata to my alt rogue.

Originally Posted by Nnyco

You really sound like a person ion describes tho, there been tons of buffs and reworks to talents and such in the last few patches, yet here you are complainin how the world ends.

Because classes don't need nerfed, some need buffed, no class is over performing to the point of needed nerfed outside the hotfixes. Some traits are trash, and some fight mechanics favor certain classes, the fact they're gutting some specs, forcing you to take a different spec to compete on meters, specs that require traits and trinkets to perform well is stupid. Making people have to refarm crap they don't want to refarm, from content they don't want to keep doing. Yeah, plenty to be upset about, I don't care what type of player Ion describes, he needs to realize people getting fed up with that crap.

We waited for warlock buff and they nerf it.... GZ mongols.

Why should I care? I am just waiting for the next exp. This was WoD 2.0.
Although I have one question: when will they fire their current transvestite writer?

I’ll play the game again, if they get rid of the subscription. It’s not worth it anymore.

Plus their crappy attitude! Players love flying! We love complicated talent builds. We liked professions!

Blizz is just too dumb apparently.

Originally Posted by Salastro

We waited for warlock buff and they nerf it.... GZ mongols.

Affliction is the strongest ST spec in the game. This nerf is not enough.

Originally Posted by clinophobia

Thank god I rerolled 2 weeks after release from my beloved warlock which I've played since cata to my alt rogue.

Why - because warlocks are not #1 on dps charts - or they are not fun to play (because they are not #1 on dps charts)?

Originally Posted by Christhammer

Affliction is the strongest ST spec in the game. This nerf is not enough.

And that´s why they nerfed the pet damage, the IS trait and now another 5-7% nerf ....
Aflicction is only useful in ST, AOe is bad as fuck (middle of the low pack in m+), they even nerfed demonology wich is
one of the worst spec in the game.
There are 3-4 specs better than aflicction right now, and they seems untouched, so wtf man, the assa rogue is op en cleave, st and aoe, aflicction is only in ST.
So keep your bilis far away form warlocks.
PD: and locks are pure shit in pvp so stfu.

Haha ... Blizzard marked the Blood Elf Heritage as junk

Damn good for me that i rerolled to Warrior after i realized warlock in pvp is dog shit xD even top r1 players rerolled
And seems in 8.1 warlock will stay dog shit
Maybe some day i come back to my beloved Affliction (i dont care about pve which is stupid atm as fuck you gain nothin from PvE nothin which keeps you to do that)

Originally Posted by Maarius

can someone explain this to me?

Yup. They're going to try something new and let people enter mythic dungeons solo(or duo). Not sure if they'll bump it up to mythic+ in the future. The dungeons will scale to the amount of players and will be very challenging. It'll be like mage tower but harder since this will scale. No idea if they'll reward gear but I'd assume they will.

it is sad to see how the general state of Wow is.....

i hope meat wagon appears in darkshore warfront.

@chaud Probably missed it but Wowhead lists Shuriken Combo (Subtlety Rogue passive) as gone. 100% removed from the spell book. This passive is what allowed the cheese in Mythic Zul.

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Originally Posted by Tupolew519

i hope meat wagon appears in darkshore warfront.

its from the Warcraft 3 remake collector edition.

It's time for a break untill they make some real changes!

Originally Posted by Biomega

Honestly, I have never been more bored with class mechanics than in BFA. And all they do is tweak numbers. What a travesty.

sad but true.

even when i like a lot in BfA (and i do) and dont want to jump on the shitstorm train, sooo many classes are sooo boring.

sub is boring, ret is boring as hell, ele is boring, bm is boring, prot warrior is boring, heal druid is boring... and and and. i leveled 7 classes and played around 16-17 specs for a bit dungeons and WQs overall. and around 85% of them feel tough as chewingum. its like walking through deep mud. slow, clunky, unfinished.

wow lives a GREAT degree through the classes, since the class mechanics is your bread and butter. you use it always. for everything you do. its a very big part of the identification of the game. you can dislike a raid. dont do it. or hope for the next. you can dislike a talent. dont use it. but when you dislike how your whole class feels, or most of all others, you are in serious trouble, because you have to use it ALWAYS. its not good what blizz did here.

i do not hate much in BfA (unlike many others here), but the class design and the further pruning is just horrible.

PS:
and as a side note. they promised (blue posted and officially eta) ppl that elemental and SP will get a overhaul with 8.1 because they couldnt managed them timewise before release. they said it. they promised it. and now they did NOTHING (beside some number tweaks). are they thinking ppl are that stupid and forget that fast ? or wtf ?