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Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
The Azerite system totally encourages that, though. Unless you are a player that does not care about the traits other than the ones you have on it is in your best interest to hold on to gear with different traits, especially when balance changes happen.
I care about the traits but if a hotfix makes what I have worse and something I tossed better AND it’s not just a tiny difference then I’ll just restore that item. This has only happened a couple of times over many years of playing. I also have bank space and often pile up things I feel are important until I sort through them and then do a mass bank-space-cleansing.

A lot of changes just come with patches though and that likely means new gear, new sources, and higher level stuff so unless it’s a huge deal I’ll just get the new stuff.

I can see what you are saying that you feel there is more pressure to keep the gear but I don’t feel it’s too different from the past. If I was aiming to min-max in all situations then I’d expect to be hanging on to more gear but as I mentioned earlier if there is only a small to tiny percentage difference then I stick with one and clear up the space. Do you keep gear even if it’s a .1% difference? Where is the breaking point for your play style? With the current 30 slot bags that are available, how much empty space do you tend to have?

And something that isn’t directed at you Xoja but some others seem to just be asking for why we are okay with needing multiple pieces per slot at all and creating ‘clutter’. This is my personal stance, but I’d say it feels like just a part of an MMO in that some items are better than others. If we were to simplify it we could just remove stats and have items that are ‘average’, ‘good’, or ‘best’. If the item is ‘best’ it’s the best, period. Then that item can degrade to ‘good’ when a new ‘best’ is available from new content. This would cover the bag clutter and simplify things but I don’t think it’d feel fun.

It’s ok to have some items to be better than others, but it’s not ok to bind item to specific spec, especially when those slots were usable for all specs for many years before BFA. This is the problem Blizzard refuses to accept and fix.
How would you treat a piece of gear that has like heavy crit and is far and away the best for one spec and definitely the worst for another?

It still gives you some benefit, even if it’s smaller, unlike many azerite traits that only work for one spec, and give nothing to other. If traits were switching with spec, that would be non issue…
Azerite gear still comes some benefit even if 1 trait isn’t active.

Juggling three secondary stats is way different than juggling dozens of azerite traits.
So at a base level you feel the system is just too complicated and it would better to simplify it?

Anyone would, because the reforge cost really is outrageous. My question is more: Why do you have a reforge system you don’t want people to use?
Sometimes you make a mistake. Sometimes a piece drops that is great for one spec and you can respec something you have to work for another. Have you run into these situations at all? Or something else?

I’m allowed to wonder why the reforge cost is so high, though.
It does get high if you are changing a lot for sure. The highest amount I ever paid was like 20 gold I think? Usually it’s at the 5g amount though. Does that feel high or am I missing something here?

The fact that you have to go to third party sites or use simc to figure out what trait is better isn’t complex enough for you?
I feel like that’s going off the path a bit. I have been doing that for a long time due to trinkets, comparing set bonuses to item level, and deciding the value of secondary stats for each spec. How is this different for you now? (Source)

No Shared Rewards Across Classic and Retail WoW
Mounts and companions you get in classic SHOULD NOT be usable across multiple characters on the same classic account, however, you should be able to have these rewards in retail. This will increase the longevity of classic.
Like it was stated at BlizzCon there will be no crossover in rewards between Retail WoW and Classic WoW. I don’t think there is any need to change that stance but I appreciate the post OP.

I think its fair to ask for an opportunity to earn those rewards again however I don’t think it should come at the cost of diminishing the rewards that players earned years ago and cherish. I think the opportunity to earn and have them exclusively on Classic is fair because its staying on Classic itself. I think any more crossover than that could be damaging and lessen the value or prestige of those rewards.

It’s a pretty solid philosophy at the moment that there will be zero crossover of rewards. (Source)

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Dark Legacy Comics #657
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This article was originally published in forum thread: New Battle.Net Avatars, Blue Posts, War on Lordaeron Fan Film, DLC #657 started by chaud View original post
Comments 39 Comments
  1. Chaosweaver's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by lolvik View Post
    Man, the blue is coming off as a arrogant prick.
    They are all forced to defend something the entire player base hates and they barely have any arguments so it's expected for them to sound like pricks. I am sure they agree with the players but literally are not allowed to agree.
  1. Daemos daemonium's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    I usually always try to see both sides of an arguement, but I have to agree that the blue responding to this came off as a huge jerk. For new(ish) players, they simply won’t have the gold required to maintain things in this game as a serious raider if their guild doesn’t provide multiple things. Add on that some specs to really min/max will swap azerite traits around depending on if they do m+ and/or raid. The alternative is to have multiple azerite pieces of equal level with the traits for each.
    Also, for new players, and even players that just don’t spam gold acquiring content, not everyone can afford 30 slot bags for every slot.
    The blue just came off as someone who thinks the entire playerbase plays to a specific standard and all are on equal footing.
    The ramping respec cost is rather silly but new players not having gold isn’t really an argument when it’s so laughably easy to get. Just from running a few cata/mop raids one shooting every thing and some battle grounds giving 60-80 gold each one gone from 600 to 17k in a week.
  1. SimmerRift's Avatar
    "Hey, lots of people are leaving our games in droves. The content sucks and incredibly unsatisfying. How should we fix our games?"

    "More battlenet avatars."

    "Fucking top job!"
  1. papajohn4's Avatar
    Poor blizzard still defending bfa... its ok to make mistakes but if you are too stubborn to accept it then this is a much worse problem
  1. excalibrax's Avatar
    Going to leave this here:
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...h-Ghostcrawler

    They have not learned from the mistakes and problems of the past. if something is tied to your spec, it should follow when you change that spec. Glyphs, Talents, etc etc, this was a novel thing back in 2009, and made life for people who tanked or healed so much better. But 10 years down the road they reverted to the old system which made you respec. Now for the most part it isn't an issue, if I need to switch the spec on the fly, I'm not respecing azerite gear. But if your a Tank in your Mythic Raid, and pushing high keys as a DPS, The cost adds up quickly. You want to be min maxed for those situations. While I think the Reforging them like talents is a good idea, I think like talents they should change from spec to spec.
  1. Alayea's Avatar
    Some of the newly added Bnet avatars are cute and it's good that they've added more, but I really wish Blizzard would add the avatars that were used for the pre-2010 WoW website.

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    The fact that you have to go to third party sites or use simc to figure out what trait is better isn’t complex enough for you?
    I feel like that’s going off the path a bit. I have been doing that for a long time due to trinkets, comparing set bonuses to item level, and deciding the value of secondary stats for each spec. How is this different for you now?
    I only used websites like Ask Mr. Robot and Simbot in the past if I got a piece of gear that looked to be an actual upgrade. But with Battle for Azeroth, I've actually had to download Simulationcraft and rely much more on Simbot simply because of how bad the Azerite system is. So pardon me if I think the blue is comparing apples and oranges.
  1. Donald Hellscream's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SimmerRift View Post
    "Hey, lots of people are leaving our games in droves. The content sucks and incredibly unsatisfying. How should we fix our games?"

    "More battlenet avatars."

    "Fucking top job!"
    I know this may come as a shock to you but the people who worked on these avatars probably didn't work in any of the departments that is in charge of actual game content.
  1. Tupolew519's Avatar
    This is awesome.
  1. javierdsv's Avatar
    I love Carbot Animations related perks, all of them. But why if Blizzard tends to have this habit of shutting down anything that uses their "Intellectual property" keeps getting promoted by them, and now even being added to their games and platforms and Blizzcon panels?

    Are they both really "unrelated"?
  1. bloodykiller86's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    The ramping respec cost is rather silly but new players not having gold isn’t really an argument when it’s so laughably easy to get. Just from running a few cata/mop raids one shooting every thing and some battle grounds giving 60-80 gold each one gone from 600 to 17k in a week.
    mehh people are complaining for shit that doesn't matter. If you take the game seriously at all you have all simmed every single piece. If you're a noob it shouldnt matter wtf you put on because you're a noob
  1. monteiro's Avatar
    TL;DR: Blizzard doesnt care about our opinion and think they know best. As always.
  1. Ealyssa's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Blue's answers very strongly suggests that he does not see further than his own experience and playstile. And it does get on nerves...
    TBH Blizzard said they are playing more on mobile than PC nowadays. No wonder they lost touch with the wow community...
  1. Alopex's Avatar
    New Battle.net icons; or, 10 icons out of a hundred that get added every Heroes of the Storm patch to water down your chances on loot boxes.
  1. Logwyn's Avatar
    They just killed my interest in classic.... If I can't use things across my account then why bother.
  1. Alkizon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by gallon View Post
    system punishes experimentation
    Quite right, and it's not just about the money, but also:
    Quote Originally Posted by Alkizon View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    and ? 99% of playerbase dont play like this.
    If it's about "carrent playerbase" than don't know, it could be, may be. But I couldn't name any of my friends whom I could include in these 99% back then, if to make discount on "tolerance", so let it be 50%, but in fact there were not so many as you think. Yes, not everyone did it well, but they made attempts to understand, mash the brain at least. We aren't even talking about this, but about the whole system (classes(mechanics)+talents+stats/characteristics+tuning=RPG), it was much less complicated before, easier to analyze and understand than now. Naturally, yes, you don't need to understand it to play now, but if you suddenly will want, it'll probably take more time... and for what? Most of dependencies and information are not even tied to your character, but lying around somewhere in the mud (PvP talents, Azerite armor, etc.) tightly adhered to it and not accessible to you. Therefore, as one of the most lazy, but curious people, I would gladly change carrent system to old one at any time.
  1. SonicTMP's Avatar
    Less and less reason to want to play classic. Everything they are doing is copying a private server. Why pay to play when it's free elsewhere with less effort involved? And add on top of BfA stupidity. None are going to keep a sub to play classic when they keep spitting int he face of people playing BfA. WoW is taking a massive dive and it just doesn't stop.
  1. ONCHEhap's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by SimmerRift View Post
    "Hey, lots of people are leaving our games in droves. The content sucks and incredibly unsatisfying. How should we fix our games?"

    "More battlenet avatars."

    "Fucking top job!"
    Yeah I'm pretty sure Ion drew these avatars himself instead of working on the game
  1. areyouseriousrightnow's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    They just killed my interest in classic.... If I can't use things across my account then why bother.
    So correct me if I'm mistaken.... but your interested in WoW classic has been killed because you aren't going to be able to use Classic Mounts/Rewards/Titles/Achievements across your account? Why on earth would you feel entitled to have these rewards across your account in the first place? Those rewards/achievements are for those players who actually played during Classic and should remain as their accomplishments. Allowing players to share Classic rewards with Retail is not only absurd, but completely insulting to all the players who earned those rewards.
  1. Logwyn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by areyouseriousrightnow View Post
    So correct me if I'm mistaken.... but your interested in WoW classic has been killed because you aren't going to be able to use Classic Mounts/Rewards/Titles/Achievements across your account? Why on earth would you feel entitled to have these rewards across your account in the first place? Those rewards/achievements are for those players who actually played during Classic and should remain as their accomplishments. Allowing players to share Classic rewards with Retail is not only absurd, but completely insulting to all the players who earned those rewards.
    This account smells of a burner account...

    I fight you with!!!!

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