Patch 8.1 - The Fate of Saurfang Quest Chain

Originally Posted by Exeris

How about we spank(not kill) them both and get a third option? Not sure what that could be atm though.

Well, we already know that Saurfang is the only one that could possibly die. They basically came out and said Sylvanas wasn't dying any time soon.

Originally Posted by Shibito

Its no problem as 99% of the people that helps saurfang will be alliance players on alts anyway.

Ah right, you have a hard time grasping the concept that not all Horde players are fascist wannabees supporting a genocidal crazy leader.
Shame. Says a lot about you as a person though that you would willingly support Sylvanas.

Is this horde only? I'm confused because the toy only lists Horde races, but then it throws in Dark Iron Dwarf at the end.

Originally Posted by Jasper Kazai

Branching paths is an interesting idea for WoW, but right now it's a bad deal. 100% guaranteed losing out on a toy for the vague promise of future rewards is not good design. Not everyone cares about toys, of course, but for the people that do, your choice is made for you.

Log alt, make other choice, get pet. Solved.

Originally Posted by JoshuaNLG

Is this horde only? I'm confused because the toy only lists Horde races, but then it throws in Dark Iron Dwarf at the end.

Obviously a typo or oversight.

Originally Posted by Jasper Kazai

Branching paths is an interesting idea for WoW, but right now it's a bad deal. 100% guaranteed losing out on a toy for the vague promise of future rewards is not good design. Not everyone cares about toys, of course, but for the people that do, your choice is made for you.

There's this little thing called alts.

Originally Posted by Jasper Kazai

Branching paths is an interesting idea for WoW, but right now it's a bad deal. 100% guaranteed losing out on a toy for the vague promise of future rewards is not good design. Not everyone cares about toys, of course, but for the people that do, your choice is made for you.

Or do it on an alt since toys are account wide

i will not betray the warchieft, especially for a toy.

REMEMBER NAZGRIM

Originally Posted by Fleugen

Wow, split the playerbase further, I'm sure that will go over well*.

*Destroy one faction while leaving one decent sized faction (Alliance) and two dead factions (Horde and Undead) picking over the remains of a once-great faction, leaving tons of players angry and with no substantial benefit to the game whatsoever.

And that doesn't even get into the technicalities of it. What would happen to Undead on the Horde? They'd have to be moved to the new faction, but not all Undead would want to leave. Making it a choice makes the choice a no-brainer - DON'T go to the new faction with no one on it, stay on the one with an actual future since people already play on it. What would happen to people who already completed the entire level up from 1-120 as Horde? Would new leveling areas for Undead be created on a yet-unexplored continent to level from 1-120, or would they just 'effectively' be Horde until high level? Would Undead mounts be removed from the Horde? They aren't a Horde faction anymore, they should be Undead-only mounts. (Thus taking many mounts away from the Horde, making achievements harder to achieve.)

This is a mess waiting to happen if they actually plan this. But then again, I've been saying this since they revealed the story for BfA - So I couldn't actually be surprised if it happens that way at all, and they'll pretend they just 'didn't see it coming' until it was too late.

One thing I think could happen here is that the Undead who side with Sylvanas remain the original Undead and in the Horde. The ones who side with Saurfang could be the Light Forsaken or Holy Forsaken or some such and be Alliance with their leader being Calia Menethil. I'm not sure how the leveling would work but I can see the leveling remaining the same until at some point a choice has to be made for new Forsaken characters.

With the Dark Iron Dwarves being referenced on the cloak makes me wonder if there will some similar questline on the Alliance side where the Dark Iron Dwarves get to choose whether to be Alliance or go to the Horde as Darker Iron Dwarves or some such.

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In order for Sylvanas to die we will have to kill her Valkyr first. What if we kill them and leave Sylvanas alive with the threat that if she doesn't behave she will die and it will be the final death for her. Not sure if she would remain the leader of the Forsaken, but someone else would take over as Warchief.

So.... we waited an entire patch to do those quests? Really?

Originally Posted by Sammonoske

Don't see the point in giving players the illusion of choice here. In the end it's still Blizzard that ultimately decides who you side with.

Apparently those who support Sylvanas as warchief couldn't take having to do what all the players who wanted to stick behind Garrosh had to do. The backlash was so immense that Blizzard caved in.

/shrug

I played that questchain on the PTR and chose Zappyboi. I'm okay with Saurfang, but I don't think he will end up as Warchief. The main thing for me is, that the screeching banshee goes away. Dead or storywise doesn't matter, just go.

Originally Posted by Onikaroshi

Except they weighted it HEAVILY towards the "help Saurfang" side by including a toy.

Not that I like Sylvanas, but never helping Saurfang. I would rather go more savage then ever having a peaceful "Thrall's horde" again, and Saurfang is just Thrall 2.0

Biggest problem is, that we already had all of that in MoP. Then, we all promised together with Vol'jin that the Horde would be different. And now we have no option to prevent Sylvanas to make the Horde even worse than under Garrosh, besides siding with a traitor to stage just another rebellion.

This is stupid beyond redemption.

At that point, I don't even want to be a part of the Horde anymore, but join Khadgar wherever he is. Or get back to my Class Hall and forget that this expansion even existed.

Or follow Sylvanas to the bitter end. We had a rebellion, it was a failure. We probably shoudl now try the other way.

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Originally Posted by Aeula

It's great that we're finally getting choices. Though personally I won't be doing this quest. I'm not interested in serving either Saurfang and his Alliance puppet masters or Sylvanas. I wish they'd kept the third option in-game so I could say screw it to both of them.

Also this. I guess, my Forsaken will commit to Sylvanas, and I will get the toy on some other character.

Originally Posted by Resheph

Ah right, you have a hard time grasping the concept that not all Horde players are fascist wannabees supporting a genocidal crazy leader.
Shame. Says a lot about you as a person though that you would willingly support Sylvanas.

Lol. Nothing anyone does in a video game says anything about anyone.

Originally Posted by JoshuaNLG

Is this horde only? I'm confused because the toy only lists Horde races, but then it throws in Dark Iron Dwarf at the end.

Ah incels reeing about following a fiction leader must mean you are evil irl

the only toy I need is Saurfang in Sylvanas' dungeon


FOR THE QUEEN !

Blizzard! what did i tell you about morall choices and happy end?

Originally Posted by Shibito

Ah incels reeing about following a fiction leader must mean you are evil irl

The fuck you going on about? Did you quote me by mistake?

I'm choosing Sylvanas for sure, Saurfang is the reason this whole war went south... The guy can't assume the consequences of his choices and actions, and when he does it's to break the horde, ok good job orc...

I bet it feels good to be the Alliance, what with how they're basically side-characters to all things Horde. May as well not even exist.