Patch 8.1 - The Fate of Saurfang Quest Chain

Originally Posted by La

I bet it feels good to be the Alliance, what with how they're basically side-characters to all things Horde. May as well not even exist.

Yeah, I decided to stop paying until they remember we would like fun things like player choice and story too.

''Lyana departed here only moments ago''

Nice to see Sylvanas lying to the champion.

Originally Posted by La

I bet it feels good to be the Alliance, what with how they're basically side-characters to all things Horde. May as well not even exist.

The Horde was basically the side-faction for the Alliance in Legion though. Other than some Horde stuff in Stormheim, it has mostly been us accompanying Alliance characters like Velen, Magni, Malfurion, Tyrande, Khadgar and Illidan (not entirely Alliance but they are for the most part), Maiev, Turalyon and Alleria. Not to mention all the screentime that Varian, Anduin and Genn has gotten. The Horde got nearly 0 development if it wasn't for Sylvanas and Nathanos in Stormheim. Its about time that they pick up the Horde stuff.

Gonna have to level a new character. My main is permanently loyal to Sylvanas, and my primary alt is loyal to my main. But I want that toy lol

Time to level the few last levels of my alt for the toy.

Originally Posted by Jasper Kazai

Branching paths is an interesting idea for WoW, but right now it's a bad deal. 100% guaranteed losing out on a toy for the vague promise of future rewards is not good design. Not everyone cares about toys, of course, but for the people that do, your choice is made for you.

The branching paths idea isn't bad at all. What needs to be killed is the "collect them all!" mentality, and it DEFINITELY shouldn't dictate how they design the game.

We can't know what our decisions will do. I like deciding in the moment without knowing what it will mean for the future. I like this! Blizzard, please create more of these permanent, defining situations! The choices we make will add depth and story telling unique to each character and player. Also will certain races from the horde and alliance end up leaving their faction and follow Sylvanas into the third faction? These path choices seem like a good way to introduce that idea.

Looking forward to pledging loyalty to my Warchief.

Originally Posted by Aretak

Looking forward to pledging loyalty to my Warchief.

Pretty sure the said "Warchief" is going to be redeemed somehow by the "evil knaifu" situation that'll made her to do those horrible acts....

Then again, doesn't forgive the fact that she killed Liam and plagued Gilneas without it. (But that's my Alliance point-of-view)

Pretty sure she and Saurfang ain't going to die this expansion but hope the loremasters at Blizzard got some enough juicy stuff to follow.

I'll protect Zekhan! I love him and will kill anyone who dares to harm him!

Saurfang is clearly looking for Thrall. He will plea him to come back and serve as warchief....#sylvannasisnotmywarchief

Who knew all it took was a toy for the toy box for me to decide to betray the warchief?

Originally Posted by dunkl

We can't know what our decisions will do. I like deciding in the moment without knowing what it will mean for the future. I like this! Blizzard, please create more of these permanent, defining situations! The choices we make will add depth and story telling unique to each character and player. Also will certain races from the horde and alliance end up leaving their faction and follow Sylvanas into the third faction? These path choices seem like a good way to introduce that idea.

I wouldn't expect too much - I doubt they'll make you pick choices that have real, lasting consequences, like not being able to enter raids or other content, or get real rewards, or change the story overall. This isn't Fallout or Skyrim, where a choice early on changes the entire game - an MMO can't really do that, or Blizzard don't have the talent or leadership to pull that off.

Originally Posted by Aeula

They’re reducing the exp required to level

I saw but I can't be too excited because if I made $10/hr one year, then you cut my pay to $3/hr the next, but raise it to $7/hr the following year I'm making more but still not making what I was.

Originally Posted by Aeula

I think they’ve made it even faster than pre-7.3.5 in some areas.

That would be interesting, I'd have to do some research to see what the nerf/buff numbers are.

Be a traitor an receive a toy..
Do the right thing, and get NOTHING except worthless azerite..

Hmmmmm

Originally Posted by Adamas102

The branching paths idea isn't bad at all. What needs to be killed is the "collect them all!" mentality, and it DEFINITELY shouldn't dictate how they design the game.

There is a solution to that, have an alt go the other path with toys, gg, you get best of both worlds!

Great, for continuing to fight for the Horde and support my war-chief Sylvanas I lock myself out of getting the cloak toy
Why is the reward only available to those who turn traitor?

Originally Posted by Kuhnai182

Fair play to blizzard this actually seems pretty cool. I hope the choices are meaningful down the line and they really make it count for something.

Some really cool defining moments in games that have stuck with me are both actually in GTA 4 and 5 where you make an important decision that affects the rest of the game. E.g killing Playboy X or Dwayne, or Michael or Trevor etc.

Choices are meaningful? You new? It's an illusion! It all leads to the same result. They only do it cause they don't want ppl bitching.. Any RPG in the last 20 years has more story choice than WoW.....it's a single line narrative don't get your hopes up cause you gotta slight difference of flavor. Like I said they are only catering to the sylvanas lovers/haters.

Originally Posted by Drusin

I saw but I can't be too excited because if I made $10/hr one year, then you cut my pay to $3/hr the next, but raise it to $7/hr the following year I'm making more but still not making what I was.



That would be interesting, I'd have to do some research to see what the nerf/buff numbers are.

1-60 remains slower than in 7.3.5. But 61-110 are all receiving a nerf and the exp required to level from 61-110 was never buffed in 7.3.5. So those levels will definitely be faster.

Originally Posted by tru

Choices are meaningful? You new? It's an illusion! It all leads to the same result. They only do it cause they don't want ppl bitching.. Any RPG in the last 20 years has more story choice than WoW.....it's a single line narrative don't get your hopes up cause you gotta slight difference of flavor. Like I said they are only catering to the sylvanas lovers/haters.

It's a poll. The story will take one direction, or another. There will be winners and losers. The community will have colletively made a choice about how the story should unfold. If this is actually what they are experimenting with, this could be a cool new dawn for the game. Or not, who knows. But I like to think it will matter what you choose, in the indirect sense that they will go with whatever most people opted for, at least if it's very very clear like 70-30 or more.