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Is Metzen saying those fired had no passion? Goodness me he is playing suck-up to his buddies like in all those years, this is just revolting. Ion and J Brack passionate? F off bro.

Originally Posted by lockybalboa

Is Metzen saying those fired had no passion? Goodness me he is playing suck-up to his buddies like in all those years, this is just revolting. Ion and J Brack passionate? F off bro.

Someone got fired ? When ? Or you mean laid off with benefits which is normal for a company.

Metzen is talking absolute garbage.

Positivity and faith in the long run actually DO help

Yeah, but no. Having faith in them while they're going the wrong direction for mostly 2 expansions isn't gonna help them or us.

Originally Posted by starkey

Waiting on Ghostcrawler to blog about something now.

So true... OMG. Another clown who thinks he knows better than the rest of the people... I don't know why mmo-champ loves these two so much...

Fuck those portals look awesome. Shame mages will most likely use the same old vanilla portals in their spells.

So we are not suppose to call out the incompetence of Blizzard? How about no?

Originally Posted by Loveliest

Well... the problem is that, as far as we know, the company was more profitable than ever and not going through a "rough patch". It's one thing to fire people because things are going bad and you need to downsize and another when it's done to optimize costs and get even bigger profits.

100% this. Also when the CEO is getting on average 30 million a year.

Originally Posted by Trumpcat

Chris Metzen begging to support Activision?

No.

If they wanted the support and love of the community they would act like it. Like Blizzard did in years past.

No, they don't care, time and again they prove it and reconfirm it. They care about revenue graphs on the inside meetings weekly presentations.

Go to hell.

where is he begging people to support activision? all i see is him telling people to not be ultra mega dicks to the people whostill work there

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Originally Posted by Declaron

“I loved my job at Blizzard, I loved who I worked with and I loved the worlds we created, the games we created, the people in general, when I saw that the business model was going to be changed I got out, I got out before I got fucked over, none of you can blame me. I won’t be nasty about what’s going on now because I saw it coming, I saw what it would become, I saw what you guys would have to deal with both my old colleagues at Blizzard and the people who payed and played this awesome thing we created that’s now gone to a terrible existence. I don’t say anything nasty because we all know, especially you guys, you need Kap, and once Kaps back I’m back and we can sort all this nonsense out.” ~ Chris Metzen 2019. (Paraphrased)

paraphrased... so not at all what he said, and really what you decided to make up, or can you get me a qoute?

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Originally Posted by Eggroll

No, it is not. It is patronizing, it is arrogant. And it is not his place to tell anyone what to think, say or let alone feel. If Blizzard had a proper PR department they would reassure the players that their favorite worlds are not in peril. But nooo. Instead, we have a player hating, entitled corpse whispering to us from the grave.

Thanks, but no thanks. As much as I appreciate Metzen's past contributions to WoW, his recent comments are completeley out of place. They reek of self pity, self righteousness and arrogance.

except blizz does have PR people who have told us that our favorite worlds are not in peril?
are you blind on purpose?
cause they have literally said "we are hiring more devs, hoping to get content out to you faster"
and "classic wow is still in the works and no delays have been planned so far, we cant wait to experience vanilla with you all again"

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Originally Posted by Kuntantee

So we are not suppose to call out the incompetence of Blizzard? How about no?

no, people want you to critisize and critic.
but there is a difference between that and
'FUCK YOU BLIZZARD, YOU SHOULD HAVE FIRED ION/LORE/GOLDEN INSTEAD, THEY ARE ALL FAILURES AND ALL YOUR DEVS SHOULD BE FIRED, BLIZZARD SHOULD FAIL AND WOW DIE"

cause thats about what the internet is like every day.

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Originally Posted by Loveliest

Well... the problem is that, as far as we know, the company was more profitable than ever and not going through a "rough patch". It's one thing to fire people because things are going bad and you need to downsize and another when it's done to optimize costs and get even bigger profits.

If you have 5 doctors and 0 tax keepers
and because of less patients coming in you now only need 3 doctors...
are you suddenly going to get those 2 doctors and force them into tax keeping jobs? are you going to spend months training them into something they prob wont even like?
or are you going to lay off those 2 doctors, and hire the tax keepers you need?

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Originally Posted by crossbwnz

This is the first time in 23 years I do not have a Blizzard Game to play. I would bounce around between Overwatch, WoW, Diablo, HotS.... Yes it seems this company is in trouble as there is no product the Blizzard community is engaged in (IMO). I can't believe I am playing ESO now for MMO, Apex Legends for Team Based Shooter, etc. I have been waiting for a new Blizzard game for so long but nothing has been developed.

remember back when blizz went almost half a decade without releasing anything new?
mhm, wasnt that aparently the golden age of blizzard?

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Originally Posted by roboscorcher

What if I told you that companies were made out of human beings?

What if I told you that most gamedevs are the opposite of cash-grabbing opportunists, often taking pay cuts to work on the project they love?

Would that change your mind? Probably not, as most gamers have no idea how hard it is to maintain a profit in this industry.

ehhh debatable, you cant say "most gamedevs" cause thats just disengenious, being a game dev is like every other job in the world.
yes many will do it because "its their passion" but many more will do it cause.. you need to fucking work in life to live.

Originally Posted by FelPlague

where is he begging people to support activision? all i see is him telling people to not be ultra mega dicks to the people whostill work there

All I see is him asking the community to support the company the same way they ask the employees to be grateful for working for an esteemed name with low wages. I've been in one of those big names, they want you to feel grateful you work for them. Chris is asking for fan loyalty, he is trying to recruit the love for Blizzard. If the company management wanted fan loyalty, which includes "people not being dicks to them", or they were concerned with the "love for Blizzard" they would act to earn it, just like Blizzard of the past did.

And if any developer or designer in Blizzard has their feelings hurt by the backlash of the fans they should consider who they are working for.

Blizzard/Activision earn what they get. But hey, many people are trashing at the food at McDonalds and many people are trashing about other companies, that doesn't stop them from being prosperous. Such as EA.

So spare your melodramatic sentiments. If you have a problem with the backlash against them maybe look into what's causing it.

Raging against a company that pays enormous sums to non-gamer non-developer glorified positions, some of the highest in the world, which declares huge profits and then lays off hundreds of people is justified. Recruit corporate love somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Trumpcat

All I see is him asking the community to support the company the same way they ask the employees to be grateful for working for an esteemed name with low wages. I've been in one of those big names, they want you to feel grateful you work for them. Chris is asking for fan loyalty, he is trying to recruit the love for Blizzard. If the company management wanted fan loyalty, which includes "people not being dicks to them", or they were concerned with the "love for Blizzard" they would act to earn it, just like Blizzard of the past did.

And if any developer or designer in Blizzard has their feelings hurt by the backlash of the fans they should consider who they are working for.

Blizzard/Activision earn what they get. But hey, many people are trashing at the food at McDonalds and many people are trashing about other companies, that doesn't stop them from being prosperous. Such as EA.

So spare your melodramatic sentiments. If you have a problem with the backlash against them maybe look into what's causing it.

Raging against a company that pays enormous sums to non-gamer non-developer glorified positions, some of the highest in the world, which declares huge profits and then lays off hundreds of people is justified. Recruit corporate love somewhere else.

So question, you are happy those 800 people got fired?
are you glad?
cause when you say "FUCK BLIZZARD" you are saying "YOU PEOPLE WORKING AT BLIZZARD FUCKING SUCK"

I mean I admire the support he is giving for his former company but even he needs to take a step back and realise that the Blizzard of today is not the one he worked at 25 odd years ago.

It's a hollow shell of it's former self that cares more about profits and "time played metrics" than making enjoyable experiences. Least in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Trumpcat

Chris Metzen begging to support Activision?

No.

If they wanted the support and love of the community they would act like it. Like Blizzard did in years past.

No, they don't care, time and again they prove it and reconfirm it. They care about revenue graphs on the inside meetings weekly presentations.

Go to hell.

Exactly. I mean if you want a game where the dev team gives a damn then FF14. Other honorable mentions would be Warframe, ESO and GW2.

The way they've acted as of late they deserve what they get in terms of community reaction. Lack of clarity on BFA features/systems, announcing a mobile phone game to a dedicated PC (and possibly console) audience, Ion trying to paint himself as the victim in recent interviews and god knows what else.

The devs clearly don't care about an enjoyable experience anymore. Just how much they can keep that MAU metric up.

Originally Posted by FelPlague

except blizz does have PR people who have told us that our favorite worlds are not in peril?
are you blind on purpose? cause they have literally said "we are hiring more devs, hoping to get content out to you faster"
and "classic wow is still in the works and no delays have been planned so far, we cant wait to experience vanilla with you all again"

Yeah, seems like nobody's believing it though. WoW devs have lost too much player trust from WoD onwards, BfA was another huge step down again. Actions speak louder than words. Unless they are giving the players a stable delivery of polished content the next one or two years down the line nothing they say will do any good.

I can still hear them saying new character models will be as the old ones, just better resolution. Yeah, never happened. Ion twisting things in his attorney speak, and yeah, all the patronizing. And no, Chris Metzen has no right to tell anyone how to feel, or what to think or to say. Shoo already, old man.

Originally Posted by Eggroll

No, it is not. It is patronizing, it is arrogant. And it is not his place to tell anyone what to think, say or let alone feel. If Blizzard had a proper PR department they would reassure the players that their favorite worlds are not in peril. But nooo. Instead, we have a player hating, entitled corpse whispering to us from the grave.

Thanks, but no thanks. As much as I appreciate Metzen's past contributions to WoW, his recent comments are completeley out of place. They reek of self pity, self righteousness and arrogance.

You pretty much hit the hammer on the nail.

Not sure why Metzen is commenting, or what he's commenting on.
But Blizzard needs to know they seriously shot themselves in the foot last Blizzcon,. his comment certainly won't help in fixing that.
It certainly sounds more patronizing than helpful.

Originally Posted by Eggroll

Yeah, seems like nobody's believing it though. WoW devs have lost too much player trust from WoD onwards, BfA was another huge step down again. Actions speak louder than words. Unless they are giving the players a stable delivery of polished content the next one or two years down the line nothing they say will do any good.

I can still hear them saying new character models will be as the old ones, just better resolution. Yeah, never happened. Ion twisting things in his attorney speak, and yeah, all the patronizing. And no, Chris Metzen has no right to tell anyone how to feel, or what to think or to say. Shoo already, old man.

Yeah the dev team just does not deserve any respect or good grace anymore imo. They've wasted whatever chances they had with me personally. They were on the right track in Legion and just nosedived with BFA.

They clearly do not care about their community anymore. The Q and As show it. Literally addresses nothing important, wastes an hour or so of time telling us shit we already know and so on.

As I said if you want a dev team that gives a damn, communicates with it's players and actually cares about making first and foremost an enjoyable game experience then I'd try the 4 games I listed above.

Originally Posted by Pendragon

Metzen is talking absolute garbage.


Yeah, but no. Having faith in them while they're going the wrong direction for mostly 2 expansions isn't gonna help them or us.

Yup. Why should I support a company I've come to dislike? They're not the blizzard that pulled me in 14 years ago, they're the ones that made me dislike the game and finally made me quit after so long. I want them to fail miserably

Glad to finally see some nerfs done to healers in pvp. Always was fucking absurd that you'd need at least 3 or more players to
kill one because they could infinitely (seemingly) spam heals on themselves and never run out of mana to do so.

FFS, Still missing portals for Caverns of Time, Ironforge, and Blasted Lands. Why is this not getting a response from Blizzard?

Originally Posted by dblanch369

FFS, Still missing portals for Caverns of Time, Ironforge, and Blasted Lands. Why is this not getting a response from Blizzard?

Ironforge you have the tram to get there.
blasted lands is upstairs in the tower.
caverns of time is not meant to be there, you want a portal there go to dalaran. which HAS A PORTAL there

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Originally Posted by Renedric

Yup. Why should I support a company I've come to dislike? They're not the blizzard that pulled me in 14 years ago, they're the ones that made me dislike the game and finally made me quit after so long. I want them to fail miserably

so dont support them if you dont like them.
he is not saying "GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY" he is saying dont punish those who were not fired, cause some people were fired.

Originally Posted by Renedric

Yup. Why should I support a company I've come to dislike? They're not the blizzard that pulled me in 14 years ago, they're the ones that made me dislike the game and finally made me quit after so long. I want them to fail miserably

I don't want them to fail miserably but yeah agree on supporting. They are not the Blizzard that had that passion with games like Broodwar anymore.

I mean I wish Blizzard and hell even Activision would wake up and smell the coffee but it's unlikely and in the future this will just come back to bite them. Not in like a year or two but a long way down the road it will.

Hence why my money's gone to Zenimax and Square for a monthly sub these days. Far better value and a more enjoyable experience. And if anyone is looking for a new MMO right now I'd highly recommend FF14 and ESO.

Originally Posted by Eleccybubb

I mean I admire the support he is giving for his former company but even he needs to take a step back and realise that the Blizzard of today is not the one he worked at 25 odd years ago.

I don't want to be this guy, but, I think he knows way better than any of us how "Blizzard of today" is doing, and what has changed and what not.

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People who wants blizzard or ATVI to fail and then come to rage here after the layoff are hypocrites, or just so naive that people working there would have magical jobs once the company fails, stupidity at it's finest.