Patch 8.1.5 - Rearranging and Removing Portals
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
As we read most everything posted here (and elsewhere) about next week’s content update, we can’t help but be impacted by the subject of transportation portal removal. It’s a subject that’s approaching 5000 replies in one thread alone, and the question raised there, repeatedly, has been, “why?” Here’s the answer to that question.

From the beginnings of World of Warcraft, game designers have had a number of guiding principles. Sometimes these notions change quickly, and sometimes they evolve slowly, but a few guiding principles have remained more or less the same throughout WoW’s history. One such lodestar has been “don’t overuse portals between locations in the world”. Too many eliminations of the distances between places can diminish a sense of the world having a meaningful size.

Of course there’s an equal and opposite design consideration—“don’t make it too inconvenient to get from most places to most other places”. Some amount of convenience is vital. Not every visit to a wondrous landscape is your first. We know when it’s your 100th visit, you don’t want the flight over to be the bulk of your time spent. And of course, some players have chosen to play as Warlocks or Mages specifically because those classes offer unique means of transport.

With new expansions, we’ve made a tradition of removing some of the portals from the previous expansion’s cities. The goal with that is to encourage transportation flow through newer places where players are more likely to interact with other players. We neglected to do that initially following Legion (and we never did that following Mists of Pandaria for various reasons), but we feel that we should have. We’re correcting that now.

Boralus and Dazar’alor will continue to offer portals to a full range of capital cities, as well as to Silithus. The portals to Cataclysm zones will remain intact, and many other modes of transportation, such as Dalaran Signet Rings, Karazhan’s ring, the Timeless Isle trinket, Coordination Cloaks, and boats and zeppelins between many regions, will all be retained and functional.

However, we’ve seen how updates to the game can leave the means of accessing different areas feeling increasingly chaotic. For example— today if you go to the Cleft of Shadows in Orgrimmar, you’ll find it dotted with portals in a way that almost looks sporadic. We’re cleaning that up, and we see this as an opportunity to consolidate a lot of travel into a consistent venue with a consistent look and feel, and room for future growth when needed.

We’ve processed a lot of feedback on this, especially feedback about specific locations that feel like they’re going to become disproportionately inconvenient to reach, and we’ve followed that feedback through to the conclusion that you’re seeing on the PTR. We believe that the numerous remaining means of quick access in the game make most locations quite reachable.

If there are any specific locations that feel as though they’re about to become unreasonably inaccessible, we’re certainly open to adding additional means of travel in the future.

Upcoming Beast Mastery Hunter Changes - Patch 8.1.5
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
There’s a significant set of changes to Beast Mastery coming in the content update next week. These were shipped off toward the PTR yesterday, but haven’t appeared there yet:


For the Heart of Azeroth:
  • Feeding Frenzy’s tooltip damage displayed has been lowered commensurate with Barbed Shot now ignoring armor. Its total effective damage remains unchanged.

As always, you’ll see these (and everything else) in the final update notes, which we’ll publish just before the update goes live.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Upcoming Beast Mastery Hunter Changes - Patch 8.1.5 started by chaud View original post
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  1. Katsutomai's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vrinara View Post
    But he has a point.. The community has become entitled. Whenever blizz does something they think is right, people cry and complain about it. Let's take this situation for example. People are upset about the portals being removed. Right? There has been thousands of people posting backlash on this, when all blizzard wants people to do is see the world they created. Plus it's not hard to just ASK a mage to port you somewhere. That's what mages (Other then the outrageous damage they do) are here to do. I don't really care for the change, since I have all the flight points, and I have a mage. I don't see the big issue here other then people being kinda lazy, and taking the portals we currently have for granted.
    I've played this game for almost 13 years now. I've SEEN the World they've created 27 times now. Before AND after the Cataclysm. I've leveled through every single zone they've put out. I have the Loremaster Achievement. I have the World Explored achievement. I've SEEN the damned world. Their world never changes. There isn't dynamic weather. Dynamic events. Nothing that changes the zones I've seen dozens of times. Making it take longer for players to get places is just adding idiotic tediousness at this point.

    Blizzard has consistently removed convenience, fun and pruned the hell out of shit for the past 3(4?) Expansions for seemingly NO REASON.
  1. Vrinara's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    Thats not entitlement. It is called feedback. We have seen the world , especially in old content. Removing the portals is only doing one thing, increasing time played metric. Stop shilling for a company that does not give 2 shits about ts customers. Are you hoping to get your job back with blizzard ?
    You could just ask a mage to port you.. >.> It's not that hard.
  1. Eleccybubb's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vrinara View Post
    You could just ask a mage to port you.. >.> It's not that hard.
    Or they could just not remove the stuff in the first place for no actual reason?
  1. Vrinara's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Katsutomai View Post
    I've played this game for almost 13 years now. I've SEEN the World they've created 27 times now. Before AND after the Cataclysm. I've leveled through every single zone they've put out. I have the Loremaster Achievement. I have the World Explored achievement. I've SEEN the damned world. Their world never changes. There isn't dynamic weather. Dynamic events. Nothing that changes the zones I've seen dozens of times. Making it take longer for players to get places is just adding idiotic tediousness at this point.

    Blizzard has consistently removed convenience, fun and pruned the hell out of shit for the past 3(4?) Expansions for seemingly NO REASON.
    I will say, I wish they had updated the world alittle bit this expansion. But I stand by what I say. You can ask a mage to port you. It's not hard. Just politely whisper them and say "Can I get a port please?"
  1. Eleccybubb's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vrinara View Post
    I will say, I wish they had updated the world alittle bit this expansion. But I stand by what I say. You can ask a mage to port you. It's not hard. Just politely whisper them and say "Can I get a port please?"
    Or again. Blizzard could not remove convenience for no good reason and then proceed to shit on a 5000 page thread with a crap tier "we hear you but fuck you" response?

    Not hard either.
  1. Vrinara's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Or they could just not remove the stuff in the first place for no actual reason?
    This is what I mean. Everyone has taken the Dalaran portals for granted. In Cata they removed all the ports to the other cities. Same with Wrath for Shattrath. You had to realize they weren't gonna be there forever. Just ask a mage. It's not hard.. I know I am coming off as defending this. It's mainly because I don't care about it. I am more trying to get people to realize it's not to big of a deal because we have mages.
  1. Eleccybubb's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vrinara View Post
    This is what I mean. Everyone has taken the Dalaran portals for granted. In Cata they removed all the ports to the other cities. Same with Wrath for Shattrath. You had to realize they weren't gonna be there forever. Just ask a mage. It's not hard.. I know I am coming off as defending this. It's mainly because I don't care about it. I am more trying to get people to realize it's not to big of a deal because we have mages.
    Yeah and most Mages are dicks and expect you to pay them for sitting there and casting.

    I should know because I used to do it.
  1. Katsutomai's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vrinara View Post
    I will say, I wish they had updated the world alittle bit this expansion. But I stand by what I say. You can ask a mage to port you. It's not hard. Just politely whisper them and say "Can I get a port please?"
    Screw having to bother (and pay) another player for something I had BEFORE Blizzard decided to fuck around with stuff for the sake of fucking around with stuff. Besides that Mages don't fucking have Portals to Caverns of Time.
  1. Vrinara's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Yeah and most Mages are dicks and expect you to pay them for sitting there and casting.

    I should know because I used to do it.
    I'm not a dick =) I would gladly port people for free! I am a nice person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsutomai View Post
    Screw having to bother (and pay) another player for something I had BEFORE Blizzard decided to fuck around with stuff for the sake of fucking around with stuff. Besides that Mages don't fucking have Portals to Caverns of Time.
    For one. I play a mage, and whenever someone askes me (Nicely and not be an ass to me) I gladly port them to where they want. You can also just take a FP or Fly to the COT. Again, it's not hard.
  1. Leadsop's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Poe View Post
    Let's buff the only 100% mobile spec in the game so it can do more damage while casters who are punished for movement.....

    BFA getting worse by the week
    You're a moron. What the fuck do you care if another class in your raid is doing more damage?

    The entitlement in this game/community is staggering. Can't see the forest for the trees. I WANT TO TOP THE METERS FUCK YOU FOR DOING DAMAGE OH WAIT WHY ARE WE WIPING.
  1. Katsutomai's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vrinara View Post
    I'm not a dick =) I would gladly port people for free! I am a nice person.

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    For one. I play a mage, and whenever someone askes me (Nicely and not be an ass to me) I gladly port them to where they want. You can also just take a FP or Fly to the COT. Again, it's not hard.
    Jesus Christ.. I'm done with you. Welcome to Ignore.
  1. Dystemper's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Katsutomai View Post
    Jesus Christ.. I'm done with you. Welcome to Ignore.
    I am with you,, had to put that obvious paid shill on ignore as well
  1. crewskater's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Or they could just not remove the stuff in the first place for no actual reason?
    So players are expected to pay to travel?
  1. Vrinara's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Katsutomai View Post
    Jesus Christ.. I'm done with you. Welcome to Ignore.
    Okay then? What exactly have I done to annoy you? I've been nothing but nice here and not rude to you one single time, when you've cursed and been rude to me. I am just stating my opinion after all, just like you. Right to free speech after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    I am with you,, had to put that obvious paid shill on ignore as well
    I am not paid for one.. And that is an ignorant thing to say when I've been nothing but nice while you guys have cursed at me and have been well. Dicks to me. I've stated my opinion, not my fault you two are lazy.
  1. Kelathos's Avatar
    Make the world feel big? What?

    WoW is a themepark, the Devs purposefully abandon the entire existing world each new expansion. This is not a sandbox game. Otherwise you'd give us weapon skills back, and other inconveniences. Travel time to old rides do not make any sense. It's just another inconvenience without substance to back it up.

    There is no logical reason to make a bad change like this.
  1. Vrinara's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Leadsop View Post
    You're a moron. What the fuck do you care if another class in your raid is doing more damage?

    The entitlement in this game/community is staggering. Can't see the forest for the trees. I WANT TO TOP THE METERS FUCK YOU FOR DOING DAMAGE OH WAIT WHY ARE WE WIPING.
    While I feel that this is alittle rude, I have to agree that it feels like many in the community feel entitled, and kinda lazy. We've taken the portals for granted. It's not hard to just ask a mage or take a flight path somewhere. Or even fly there. We should be lucky they haven't taken flying form Azeroth, Outlands, Northrend, Pandaria and Draenor. But instead the community goes into uproar.. I get what people are saying, but the constant rude and cries over portals being removed. Portals that weren't going to stay forever is kinda silly.
  1. SirCowdog's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vrinara View Post
    I think they just want people to see the world they worked so hard on.
    I have some ocean-front property and a bridge to sell you. Also, if you can send me your personal info and credit card info, there's a desperate nigerian prince who needs your help.


    Ok, on a more serious, non-sarcastic note: Removing the portals has nothing to do with making us appreciate the world. It's not about making the world feel bigger. It's exactly the same nonsense spouted when flying got restricted. It's 100% about taking agency away from players in order to extent the time it takes to do anything in-game.

    People really need to stop giving Blizzard the benefit of the doubt. I don't care how much fun you're having, or how much of a fanboy you are. As long as you keep making excuses and rationalizing everything for them, they'll keep taking things away from the game.

    What's next? They cut mount speed to make you experience the world? And after that, maybe restrict us to RP walk speed because they want us to see what they worked on?
  1. Nightheart's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Katsutomai View Post
    Jesus Christ.. I'm done with you. Welcome to Ignore.
    You kinda just proved her right by ignoring her. How pathetic on your part bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dystemper View Post
    I am with you,, had to put that obvious paid shill on ignore as well
    Paid Shill? LOL I bet you are one of those kids on WoW who thinks everyone who defends something is either paid off or a kid. What a loser.
  1. Katsutomai's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightheart View Post
    You kinda just proved her right by ignoring her. How pathetic on your part bro.

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    Paid Shill? LOL I bet you are one of those kids on WoW who thinks everyone who defends something is either paid off or a kid. What a loser.
    I ain't got time for White Knights. Someone defending a bad decision just for the sake of defending it and deflecting when you bring up valid reasons it's a bad decision aren't worth arguing with. So stop White Knighting for her.
  1. KainneAbsolute's Avatar
    I think no one complain for portals and even with portals WoW is still big.

    Lorewise, I will take it as a strike of the labor union of Portal MAGES

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