Patch 8.1.5 - Rearranging and Removing Portals
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
As we read most everything posted here (and elsewhere) about next week’s content update, we can’t help but be impacted by the subject of transportation portal removal. It’s a subject that’s approaching 5000 replies in one thread alone, and the question raised there, repeatedly, has been, “why?” Here’s the answer to that question.

From the beginnings of World of Warcraft, game designers have had a number of guiding principles. Sometimes these notions change quickly, and sometimes they evolve slowly, but a few guiding principles have remained more or less the same throughout WoW’s history. One such lodestar has been “don’t overuse portals between locations in the world”. Too many eliminations of the distances between places can diminish a sense of the world having a meaningful size.

Of course there’s an equal and opposite design consideration—“don’t make it too inconvenient to get from most places to most other places”. Some amount of convenience is vital. Not every visit to a wondrous landscape is your first. We know when it’s your 100th visit, you don’t want the flight over to be the bulk of your time spent. And of course, some players have chosen to play as Warlocks or Mages specifically because those classes offer unique means of transport.

With new expansions, we’ve made a tradition of removing some of the portals from the previous expansion’s cities. The goal with that is to encourage transportation flow through newer places where players are more likely to interact with other players. We neglected to do that initially following Legion (and we never did that following Mists of Pandaria for various reasons), but we feel that we should have. We’re correcting that now.

Boralus and Dazar’alor will continue to offer portals to a full range of capital cities, as well as to Silithus. The portals to Cataclysm zones will remain intact, and many other modes of transportation, such as Dalaran Signet Rings, Karazhan’s ring, the Timeless Isle trinket, Coordination Cloaks, and boats and zeppelins between many regions, will all be retained and functional.

However, we’ve seen how updates to the game can leave the means of accessing different areas feeling increasingly chaotic. For example— today if you go to the Cleft of Shadows in Orgrimmar, you’ll find it dotted with portals in a way that almost looks sporadic. We’re cleaning that up, and we see this as an opportunity to consolidate a lot of travel into a consistent venue with a consistent look and feel, and room for future growth when needed.

We’ve processed a lot of feedback on this, especially feedback about specific locations that feel like they’re going to become disproportionately inconvenient to reach, and we’ve followed that feedback through to the conclusion that you’re seeing on the PTR. We believe that the numerous remaining means of quick access in the game make most locations quite reachable.

If there are any specific locations that feel as though they’re about to become unreasonably inaccessible, we’re certainly open to adding additional means of travel in the future.

Upcoming Beast Mastery Hunter Changes - Patch 8.1.5
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
There’s a significant set of changes to Beast Mastery coming in the content update next week. These were shipped off toward the PTR yesterday, but haven’t appeared there yet:


For the Heart of Azeroth:
  • Feeding Frenzy’s tooltip damage displayed has been lowered commensurate with Barbed Shot now ignoring armor. Its total effective damage remains unchanged.

As always, you’ll see these (and everything else) in the final update notes, which we’ll publish just before the update goes live.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Upcoming Beast Mastery Hunter Changes - Patch 8.1.5 started by chaud View original post
Comments 338 Comments
  1. Soeroah's Avatar
    Never felt my respect for the WoW developers drop so harshly with one post. It's like they don't want collectors to play any more.
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    Didn't we have this exact same situation a few addons back, where they removed portals from Shattrath and Dalaran just for them to add them back in later again?

    Sheesh, Blizzard is obsessed with players spending time on idle travel. So glad I moved on to FF-XIV.
  1. Lorgar Aurelian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by tripleh View Post
    There trying to convince players/keep players while still pushing the change to live. If more players leave my guess would be some devs or cms might be on the chopping block next round of layoffs. There using the same argument as they did with pathfinder/anti flying. Trying to say it makes the world feel bigger. Vote with your wallets unsub, we know right now that activision is paying attention to how players react. If you allow the devs to win it will only cause them to change more things for there own benefit, not the players. Removing portals is just there way of avoiding fixing meaningful things in game. Classes and other bugs for example. Don't let them lie to you.
    You have to be the pettiest person ever if removing a portal is what gets you to unsub. And really removing portals effects classes and bugs now?
  1. DerpyMcDerp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    You have to be the pettiest person ever if removing a portal is what gets you to unsub. And really removing portals effects clauses and bugs now?
    "You have to be the pettiest person ever if removing your favorite item from the menu at a restaurant is what gets you to stop eating there."
  1. Lorgar Aurelian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by DerpyMcDerp View Post
    "You have to be the pettiest person ever if removing your favorite item from the menu at a restaurant is what gets you to stop eating there."
    So portals were your favourite thing in wow?
  1. Rogalicus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Sheesh, Blizzard is obsessed with players spending time on idle travel. So glad I moved on to FF-XIV.
    The one that forces you to run without mounts in Eureka and where fetch quests around the world is the main story medium? Pray return to Waking Sands, sure.
  1. Low Hanging Fruit's Avatar
    Riot all you want. I get the feeling the whales are all this game needs to keep investors happy. Sadly.
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rogalicus View Post
    The one that forces you to run without mounts in Eureka and where fetch quests around the world is the main story medium? Pray return to Waking Sands, sure.
    *chuckles* Agreed that was bad.
    It's not like that anymore in newer content.

    In General I like SEs no BS stance when it comes to travel. You can fly from day 1 and there are teleport pylons in every zone.
    I certainly spent a lot less time on travel in XIV compared to WoW, where 30% of my gametime was tabbed out travel when doing my daily rounds.
    Another + of XIV is that they don't pester you with dumb trash mobs every 5 seconds.
  1. DerpyMcDerp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    So portals were your favourite thing in wow?
    No. My time is my favorite thing in WoW.

    To continue with my analogy above, I don't mind waiting 5-10 minutes for a table at lunch. I'm not waiting 15-20. I just timed it on the PTR, and it takes about 2 minutes 20 seconds to fly from Uldum to Caverns of Time. It takes two minutes to fly from Paw'don Village to Siege of Orgrimmar portal. It takes about a minute and a half to fly from Blasted Lands to Karazhan. It takes 3 minutes 30 seconds to fly from Ironforge to Old Dalaran Crater to head to do the Valentine's Day dailies.

    This is all on top of the fact that now low level alts cannot get ANY quick portal to Ironforge anymore for Thanksgiving because the devs deviously figured out they could lock the portals away behind a level 110+ quest in Boralus.

    So, yes. Portals are my favorite thing in WoW. That's why my main is a mage, and I have a very hard time enjoying any of my 12 alts which hover in the 110 to 114 range.

    You should focus less on what you enjoy about the game, and start caring more about what is keeping all the other people around you playing the game. Because, if enough of them quit, you won't have a game to enjoy.

    Just look at all the guild threads where people bemoan how their guild collapsed after the end of an expansion because key members decided not to play anymore.
  1. Pacster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    You have to be the pettiest person ever if removing a portal is what gets you to unsub. And really removing portals effects classes and bugs now?
    Ah come on. You know how it is with the glass full of water. It's the last small drop that forces you to clean up...;-)

    In my case it was another time sink. One of soooo many(and this here might just be another artficially created time sink as well)...but that one sent me over the edge at the end of last expansion. I just couldn't fool myself any longer that it would get better...
  1. craigw's Avatar
    you people are bitching about portals for no reason at all. there are numerous ways to get around without portals. numerous rings have hearths. capes have hearths, toys have hearths ( there is a toy that allows you a portal to black temple by sacrificing critters which are literally everywhere), 3 different hearthstones in your inventory right now, there is a portal to icecrown on a tabard, renting a mage. god you people bitch about anything. myself after checking my toon has 17 items that give a portal somewhere close to anywhere I need to be and im not a mage. what in the fuck are you guys actually bitching about.
  1. DerpyMcDerp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by craigw View Post
    you people are bitching about portals for no reason at all. there are numerous ways to get around without portals. numerous rings have hearths. capes have hearths, toys have hearths ( there is a toy that allows you a portal to black temple by sacrificing critters which are literally everywhere), 3 different hearthstones in your inventory right now, there is a portal to icecrown on a tabard, renting a mage. god you people bitch about anything. myself after checking my toon has 17 items that give a portal somewhere close to anywhere I need to be and im not a mage. what in the fuck are you guys actually bitching about.
    "You people are bitching about Cheesecake Factory discontinuing the one type of cheesecake you like. There are like so many other flavors. You should just eat them and like it!"
  1. Pacster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by craigw View Post
    you people are bitching about portals for no reason at all. there are numerous ways to get around without portals. numerous rings have hearths. capes have hearths, toys have hearths ( there is a toy that allows you a portal to black temple by sacrificing critters which are literally everywhere), 3 different hearthstones in your inventory right now, there is a portal to icecrown on a tabard, renting a mage. god you people bitch about anything. myself after checking my toon has 17 items that give a portal somewhere close to anywhere I need to be and im not a mage. what in the fuck are you guys actually bitching about.

    One that sacrifices critters? When was that introduced?
    Yes, there are many portals...and up to the last expansion I had them all(I thought at least. Never heard about that critter thing. I only had a medaillon I think for the temple port...no critters involved there). What you ignore is that many of them need quite some time and gold to get. So you can still get everywhere but Blizz is forcing you to spend more time in game to get that mobility. Which on the other hand ruins their argument again...cause it is STILL possible to make the world feel small, it just ain't that easy to achieve anymore. Is that customer friendly? Well, you be the judge...
  1. DerpyMcDerp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    "You think you want portals and convenience, but you actually don't."

    Most people have played this game for years. We're already well aware of how big the world is. Thanks.
    Don't you people have PHONES?! Can't you just play Diablo Immortal on your phone while on a gryphon or something?
  1. Lorgar Aurelian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacster View Post
    Ah come on. You know how it is with the glass full of water. It's the last small drop that forces you to clean up...;-)

    In my case it was another time sink. One of soooo many(and this here might just be another artficially created time sink as well)...but that one sent me over the edge at the end of last expansion. I just couldn't fool myself any longer that it would get better...
    I really just don’t see how any one would give up something they enjoy because it takes an extra minute to get there. If you haven’t already unsubbed because wow still has content you enjoy spending an extra minute to get there shouldn’t be a game changer.
  1. DerpyMcDerp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I really just don’t see how any one would give up something they enjoy because it takes an extra minute to get there. If you haven’t already unsubbed because wow still has content you enjoy spending an extra minute to get there shouldn’t be a game changer.
    Then you would be a perfect employee for Blizzard.

    Also, you kind of miss the part about "something you enjoy." You know how when something you enjoy changes to make you NOT ENJOY IT ANYMORE it kind of stops being something you enjoy? You get that, right?
  1. craigw's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacster View Post
    One that sacrifices critters? When was that introduced?
    Yes, there are many portals...and up to the last expansion I had them all(I thought at least. Never heard about that critter thing. I only had a medaillon I think for the temple port...no critters involved there). What you ignore is that many of them need quite some time and gold to get. So you can still get everywhere but Blizz is forcing you to spend more time in game to get that mobility. Which on the other hand ruins their argument again...cause it is STILL possible to make the world feel small, it just ain't that easy to achieve anymore. Is that customer friendly? Well, you be the judge...
    fractured necrolyte skull purchased with timewalking tokens bc vendor. your bitching about grinding (time) to get items in an MMO? patch 7.2.5 750 tokens is what it costs
  1. Lorgar Aurelian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by DerpyMcDerp View Post
    Then you would be a perfect employee for Blizzard.

    Also, you kind of miss the part about "something you enjoy." You know how when something you enjoy changes to make you NOT ENJOY IT ANYMORE it kind of stops being something you enjoy? You get that, right?
    So again are portals your favourite thing in wow? Is all you do jump in and out of portals all day because it’s The only thing you enjoy about wow?
  1. Vrinara's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Joker of Muerte View Post
    Yep, they shouldnt have said that. That just stirred up the hornets nest in that 5k+ reply topic even more.
    I agree. but we gotta remember that the WoW Community, well atleast many of the people in it at Entitled people. Who feel entitled to everything. I personally don't care for the change, cause it just gets me out into the world. Now if they had removed Flight paths I'd be upset.

    Also that BM buff. I mean Bm is already beastly but oof. That is gonna be nice.
  1. craigw's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by DerpyMcDerp View Post
    "You people are bitching about Cheesecake Factory discontinuing the one type of cheesecake you like. There are like so many other flavors. You should just eat them and like it!"
    the flavor is all the same. a portal/hearth to where you need to be. take out the portal to org you like, there are still items that get you to org. take out portals to shrattrah there are still items that get you to shattrath. take out portals to old dal, there are still items that take you to old dal. try again.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Playintrafic View Post
    Yeah because BM needs buffs...
    yeah they do, what game you playing. they are bottom dps with the top doing 25% more dps. if you see BM hunters tearing it up over the other classes, well then those other classes are being played by shit players.

Site Navigation