Loot Trading in Classic Update

Originally Posted by kamuimac

its your problem

you had chance for loot trading in dungeons now its gone.

shouldnt have whined

beautiful case of shoting yourself in your own foot.

I never whined. At least with loot trading ninjas could still be punished. Now the innocent will be.

Originally Posted by Altarion

Actually, a player's reputation mattered a lot in Vanilla; there is a self-enforcing reason to behave reasonably. Stealing loot gives a player a bad name and no one likes to group with a thief.

I'm aware it was then, but the community is massively different to how it was. I mean hey, maybe it'll slot back into exactly how it was but seeing how toxic the community is now I have my doubts.

Still laugh at all the people who vehemently stated “no changes!” and argued against anybody QoL improvements who are now defending the QoL improvements Blizz is doing.
#nochanges is a real success story so far.

So they're confirming smaller server communities with no cross server nonsense to make player reputation matter again? That is good news indeed for people who know how not to be an asshole in video games.

Originally Posted by oplawlz

That is good news indeed for people who know how not to be an asshole in video games.

Teach me. I need to know!

I dont really get why this has to be argued. Its like some people do want the possibility to be assholes without any consequences.

If not, why not just agree that any thing that might have an impact on your reputation and encourages good behavior is a good thing?

Originally Posted by Laqweeta

Ninja looters and assholes in general will be completely shunned by their entire realm. No groups, no friends, nothing. This is Vanilla, EVERYONE on your realm will know. There are no xfers, name changes, RDF or LFR.

Play nice or be shunned, make your choice. *starts 60 second timer*

As some one who played vanilla

It didn't matter then and it won't matter on Classic. Ninja looting will be alive and well in classic with no major server-wide outrage.

not to mention AFAIK there has been no announcement that people won't be able to pay for name change services and that sort of thing.

Originally Posted by Alcsaar

As some one who played vanilla

It didn't matter then and it won't matter on Classic. Ninja looting will be alive and well in classic with no major server-wide outrage.

not to mention AFAIK there has been no announcement that people won't be able to pay for name change services and that sort of thing.

Then your server was crap. It did matter, I remember specifically avoiding known ninja looters. If you got called out in trade chat too many times, you were screwed. You were resigned to grouping with your guild, and if they had any sense they would kick you and you were double screwed. It rarely happened on purpose, the deterrent was real.

Thankfully I will be playing Classic with a clique of rl friends for our dungeons. Never seen ninja looting as a problem in raids until pugs became more prominent (and was done by the RL).

Originally Posted by Alcsaar

As some one who played vanilla

It didn't matter then and it won't matter on Classic. Ninja looting will be alive and well in classic with no major server-wide outrage.

not to mention AFAIK there has been no announcement that people won't be able to pay for name change services and that sort of thing.

LOL, wtf server did you play on? even with way higher population, community reputation was a big deal. not just anyone could form successful raids in vanilla. ninja looters were ALWAYS scorned.

Originally Posted by BoltBlaster

I think you got it backwards.

With loot trading ninjas could be punished? How do you imagine that? It anything, ninjaing would have become more common because everything could be traded, so people would click need without looking or for friends.

Without loot trading action of clicking need is final, so consequences for ninjaing are more severe and people will look at what they click.

With loot trading enabled the community could still punish ninjas. Now without it the community will punish those that make mistakes.

13 year old Billy who doesn't know how the game works will be hated by the entire server for needing on things that he didn't know wasn't good for him. With loot trading enabled the party could've explained to Billy what he did wrong and asked him to trade the item, now they'll kick him, black list him and brand him a ninja in every chat channel on the server. After Billy have made enough mistakes (since nobody will teach him the ropes) he'll be unable to find groups to anything.

Some of you guys are being a little too 'the sky is falling' here. Yes, people will make mistakes and misloot things, but they will not make the same mistake twice once they learn how it works. The entire server is not going to hate someone because they misloot something once. A lot of us were kids when we played Vanilla and somehow we managed to know how the loot system worked.

Originally Posted by Embriel

With loot trading enabled the community could still punish ninjas. Now without it the community will punish those that make mistakes.

13 year old Billy who doesn't know how the game works will be hated by the entire server for needing on things that he didn't know wasn't good for him. With loot trading enabled the party could've explained to Billy what he did wrong and asked him to trade the item, now they'll kick him, black list him and brand him a ninja in every chat channel on the server. After Billy have made enough mistakes (since nobody will teach him the ropes) he'll be unable to find groups to anything.

It is a Billys problem in the first case - not ours. Not knowing how laws work doesn't make you innocent if you break em.

Originally Posted by Embriel

With loot trading enabled the community could still punish ninjas. Now without it the community will punish those that make mistakes.

13 year old Billy who doesn't know how the game works will be hated by the entire server for needing on things that he didn't know wasn't good for him. With loot trading enabled the party could've explained to Billy what he did wrong and asked him to trade the item, now they'll kick him, black list him and brand him a ninja in every chat channel on the server. After Billy have made enough mistakes (since nobody will teach him the ropes) he'll be unable to find groups to anything.

Lol, 99% of the people playing classic will be 30year old wow veterans. I prefer a system that works well for this 99% over one that suits your hypothetical Billie who likely won't even exist. This 13 year old will spend a year lvling and will likely quit before ever doing serious group content.

Originally Posted by willemh

Lol, 99% of the people playing classic will be 30year old wow veterans. I prefer a system that works well for this 99% over one that suits your hypothetical Billie who likely won't even exist. This 13 year old will spend a year lvling and will likely quit before ever doing serious group content.

I'm not really interested in this issue, but just browsing some topics.

I had to say this post has an exceptional amount of assumptions, baseless percentages, mistakes and hyperbole. It's astonishing that you mention something being hypothetical in your post. It was quite entertaining.

Also, his name was Billy. Not Billie.

Mind if I roll need

Originally Posted by Alcsaar

As some one who played vanilla

It didn't matter then and it won't matter on Classic. Ninja looting will be alive and well in classic with no major server-wide outrage.

not to mention AFAIK there has been no announcement that people won't be able to pay for name change services and that sort of thing.

It's hilarious that people think that someones "reputation" will be "foiled" after he'll be accused of ninja looting in /1 or something. Usually people just laugh at those who accuse people of such things, and no one actually bothers with making screenshots of chat where loot rules are described, so most of the time "ninja" can say that he reserved that piece of loot, and his guildies and friends will gladly back it up (since most likely the did reserved it before adding pugs in their raid).

Even then, this guy just got his hands on a sweet piece of loot and became valuable character in late-vanilla, he won't be kicked from anywhere, in anything, depending on gear he may get poached because of that extra attention. Who would pass on a full-stocked tank warrior in late vanilla? Nobody. Even if he is a total asshole your guild will still have him around, because he makes a good training dummy for boss to hit and making a new one will take months.

Anyways, people romanticizing this whole "server reputation" thing are going to have bad time when they'll realize that most players won't give a damn about them yelling "ninja looter!" at someone

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Originally Posted by Embriel

I never whined. At least with loot trading ninjas could still be punished. Now the innocent will be.

How can you accidentally ninja loot? It's not like we are playing a version where FFA-by-default exists or loot master doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by xact4

Then your server was crap. It did matter, I remember specifically avoiding known ninja looters. If you got called out in trade chat too many times, you were screwed. You were resigned to grouping with your guild, and if they had any sense they would kick you and you were double screwed. It rarely happened on purpose, the deterrent was real.

Jesus, imagine you being called out in trade chat too many times by some angsty teen, because you disagree with him that Metallica - The One IS THE BEST SONG IN THE WORLD YO.

I'd say if things like you describe happened on your server - it was a crap server.

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Originally Posted by chrisisvacant

LOL, wtf server did you play on? even with way higher population, community reputation was a big deal. not just anyone could form successful raids in vanilla. ninja looters were ALWAYS scorned.

Sadly, ninja looters usually were guys in charge of things, so these "guys don't invite him!" didn't" worked that well. You had an option to pass on raiding with him completely, and miss out of couple of raids (and would you really care about a rogue ninja if you play, say, a mage? or a priest? Not much, your gear is safe).

We had couple of known ninjas on warsong on horde side, they were shunned, players spammed a lot of crap on them in global chat, but one of them was leading raids and his guild was one of the biggest, and second was a well geared tank. They also were very chill about all that crap because i don't remember them ever responding to bullshit thrown at them, at some point i even considered that people simply were talking lies about them

No one will care about 5m loots after the initial rush anyway... Seems logical to me that they won't pay GM's (it costs a lot to pay people) just to transfer blue gear (!!) because it was looted by "mistake". I've never contacted a gm for a blue loot because it took a lot of time to get an answer back then.

Originally Posted by Malum

I'm not really interested in this issue, but just browsing some topics.

I had to say this post has an exceptional amount of assumptions, baseless percentages, mistakes and hyperbole. It's astonishing that you mention something being hypothetical in your post. It was quite entertaining.

Also, his name was Billy. Not Billie.

Thanks for your amazing addition to the subject. Yes my whole point was based on the fact that in my opinion 13yo will be a tiny minority of the playerbase, and thus it would be bad to base policies on those minorities.

That is indeed my assumption, my opinion, that I voiced. Guess what, that's what discussion boards are for.

Originally Posted by bornlol

idk on illidan in wrath people would ninja VOA boss 90% of the time, you had to make your own group or you would be screwed. The server was so populated, unless you were a popular well known player you had no reputation.

Idk how this will apply to vanilla though cause it's not as easy to build a 40man pug in 5minutes

Illidan was in TbC but never mind that. By that time I was raiding with my guild so as far as TbC goes I was referring to 5man dungeons and common behaviour in general both inside and outside of WoW..

Also I honestly don't know but did anyone actually PUG BT, SSC and MtH?