WoW Classic Hotfix - Raid Party XP Bug
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Thanks to player reports and feedback, we’ve identified a bug affecting how XP was calculated for parties of 6 or more players.
We are rolling out a hotfix right now, to all realms, that should correct this. Going forward, XP awarded should be significantly lower for parties of 6 or more players.

Again, thank you very much for your feedback.

Barron's - Activision Stock Potential Price Increase
Reuters recently cited a Barron's report that pointed to a potential stock price growth due the positive reception of World of Warcraft classic.

Barron’s cited reports of hours-long wait times to log into the game, and quoted Blizzard Entertainment, a subsidiary of Activision, as saying World of Warcraft Classic set a record for launch-day concurrent viewers on Twitch, a platform which hosts live-streams of gamers playing which people can watch.

“The business model for World of Warcraft is highly profitable, with a subscription costing $15 a month. If World of Warcraft Classic drives a couple million new subscribers for a few quarters, it would boost the company’s earnings significantly,” Barron’s said.
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  1. Queen of Hamsters's Avatar
    Even if they only retain 200k (going by the dropoff on Twitch), that's 200k players generating a cool extra flow of cash that they didn't have before. They don't need it as such, but it'll still probably pay for the upkeep and still generate profit.

    But I forget, Activision Blizzard making money is never a good thing, coz reasons...
  1. Goradan's Avatar
    Great, Now Kotick is gonna try and milk Classic some more and fuck it up.

    Goodbye nostalgia.
  1. Doctor Funkenstein's Avatar
    LOL.

    Fuck Blizzard.

    "Thanks for the feedback! I mean, most of it was from players knowingly and willfully exploiting what they knew to be a bug, but, you know, good on them. Teehee! As for everyone else, go fuck yourselves." --Blizzard
  1. Kithelle's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by korijenkins View Post
    You're also delusional if you think whiny BFA fans quitting after a few hours because of graphics or difficult quests is representative of the HUGE amount of players who wanted Classic in the first place.

    It wasn't made for the BFA fanboys who enjoy having rewards handed to them with minimal effort, and those players are a tiny minority in WoW's huge playerbase history. I TRULY BELIEVE that, regardless of what you truely belive.
    People are already seeing the lies the vanilla zealots have been spewing for months...it isn't hard...both raids cleared in under a week. This is only week one...released in a slow period for retail.
  1. Aurrora's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Goradan View Post
    Great, Now Kotick is gonna try and milk Classic some more and fuck it up.

    Goodbye nostalgia.
    I know you guys like Classic, but you know what would be even cooler? Classic with loot boxes!
  1. OokOok's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    Even if they only retain 200k (going by the dropoff on Twitch), that's 200k players generating a cool extra flow of cash that they didn't have before. They don't need it as such, but it'll still probably pay for the upkeep and still generate profit.

    But I forget, Activision Blizzard making money is never a good thing, coz reasons...
    You make it sound like it's 200,000 new subs, it's not, it's people who already had a wow sub, it's not "new money"
  1. manoman's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dipzz View Post
    You make it sound like it's 200,000 new subs, it's not, it's people who already had a wow sub, it's not "new money"
    Personally know a couple people that (re)subscribed just for Classic. Their last subscription was during ~BC/Wrath times.
    One is even a fresh starter at Classic because his friends made him play it and now he is hooked.
  1. scelero's Avatar
    I'm glad I didn't have to pay extra for 'Classic'

    And just like vanilla ice cream, it's good for about 2 scoops before you realize you're not a kid anymore.

    That all said, I got tired of people telling me that I'm too low level, when we I go I am healing and top on DMG just wanding. So now, I play BFA and tell people who die to anything to go back to Classic because honestly.... Classic is where new players should start off. It's been proven you don't need more than 10 people by phase 2 of Ony and yet we got people with gearscore requirements and MIN LEVEL requirement. Last time I check, I don't need hit rating to cast a HEAL.

    Seriously, the "Classic" servers were fun at first and in theory sounds good but when responding to the question being asked at blizzcon.... Blizzard was right in stating 'you think you do, but you dont'

    I don't, but at least I got somewhere to send baddies to if I don't like the fact they die to watered down mechanics in BFA.

    Plus, "Classic" servers just replace on time gate with another. It is literally, this for that. At least now it feels rewarding and does get you somewhere. In "Classic" RNG really fucks you.
  1. kosajk's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kyo wolfsfang View Post
    " It was *in* the game and designed that way on Vanilla launch."

    You are a moron. Bugs are not intended.. It wasnt in vanilla, and was not supposed to be in at launch. The issue here is that they had a whole beta period and they didnt catch it to fix on time.
    you could lvlu up on beta up to lvl 40 if i good remember and first place where You could go in bigger group than 5 is LBR which is accessible from lvl 48 so not that serious skip imo and ratheh hard to catch up on beta

    Quote Originally Posted by dipzz View Post
    You make it sound like it's 200,000 new subs, it's not, it's people who already had a wow sub, it's not "new money"
    a lot of my friends that stoped plaing wow for couple years now are back just for clasic so its a lot of extra money for sure, just check how price of tokens and prepaids changed in last month you will see :P
  1. Djheffer's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by scelero View Post
    I'm glad I didn't have to pay extra for 'Classic'

    And just like vanilla ice cream, it's good for about 2 scoops before you realize you're not a kid anymore.

    That all said, I got tired of people telling me that I'm too low level, when we I go I am healing and top on DMG just wanding. So now, I play BFA and tell people who die to anything to go back to Classic because honestly.... Classic is where new players should start off. It's been proven you don't need more than 10 people by phase 2 of Ony and yet we got people with gearscore requirements and MIN LEVEL requirement. Last time I check, I don't need hit rating to cast a HEAL.

    Seriously, the "Classic" servers were fun at first and in theory sounds good but when responding to the question being asked at blizzcon.... Blizzard was right in stating 'you think you do, but you dont'

    I don't, but at least I got somewhere to send baddies to if I don't like the fact they die to watered down mechanics in BFA.

    Plus, "Classic" servers just replace on time gate with another. It is literally, this for that. At least now it feels rewarding and does get you somewhere. In "Classic" RNG really fucks you.

    I think you need friends for classic to be fun. It’s been a blast for me and all my buds. We have a group of about ten of us that all work together and help gear each other up. You should deff keep playing retail because you clearly enjoy it more. And definitely keep sending us those baddies because we love helping all the noobs that actually enjoy the game!
  1. SkagenRora's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    I know you guys like Classic, but you know what would be even cooler? Classic with loot boxes!
    I want Classic with WoW tokens, Or at least some way to P2W like in Retail.
  1. kyo wolfsfang's Avatar
    [QUOTE=kosajk;51563906]you could lvlu up on beta up to lvl 40 if i good remember and first place where You could go in bigger group than 5 is LBR which is accessible from lvl 48 so not that serious skip imo and ratheh hard to catch up on beta

    All dungeons are 10 mans. All except for a few select max lv ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkagenRora View Post
    I want Classic with WoW tokens, Or at least some way to P2W like in Retail.
    NO.. That would ruin the economy and create inflation. Play retail if you want free game time. You can easily get several thousand gold just from raid spamming older raids. Then play the AH.
  1. Elevenmad's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by manoman View Post
    Personally know a couple people that (re)subscribed just for Classic. Their last subscription was during ~BC/Wrath times.
    One is even a fresh starter at Classic because his friends made him play it and now he is hooked.
    I am sure quite a few are new subs, but busines wise its basically just a short term cash grab by Blizz because at the end of the day 'Classic' does have an end. its not and never going to be a on going project, most Players I'm sure will quit once they played through it once, and that's just those that stick it out to the end, sure there will be those hardcore Classic fans that stay but it won't be many, no matter how 'good' a game is it gets a bit boring after multiple playthroughs.

    Classics only been live a week and quite a lot have already completed everything currently available already, there will ofc be further patch updates, but I can guarantee those will be strategically released around the Activision quarterly reports , its just gated cash grabs but eventually it will come to an end, we all know that. One thing for sure they are going to Milk the Classic Hype as much as they possibly can..........its business and its showing results its making money thats ALL they care about
  1. SkagenRora's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kyo wolfsfang View Post



    NO.. That would ruin the economy and create inflation. Play retail if you want free game time. You can easily get several thousand gold just from raid spamming older raids. Then play the AH.
    But buying them would be amazing :O imagine getting 100% mount with the click of a button instead of griding and waiting?
  1. fangless's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Elevenmad View Post
    Classics only been live a week and quite a lot have already completed everything currently available already
    I don't usually remember why I stop looking at MMO-C, but this reminds me. The player base makes a lot of stupid comments.
  1. twothe's Avatar
    #1 reason for me to play Classic instead of BfA: if you do something wrong people don't flame and kick you but instead kindly explain the issue, give you advice on how to do better, and help you to get along.

    I play this game for fun, and BfA community is the exact opposite.
  1. Sensa1's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dipzz View Post
    You make it sound like it's 200,000 new subs, it's not, it's people who already had a wow sub, it's not "new money"
    a lot of it is "new" money and some of it is "longer" money (i.e. retail subs that would've otherwise unsubscribed during the latest retail lull that kept their subscription going instead to play Classic)...no one knows the exact combo but from Blizzards perspective it's padding their profits substantially more than if Classic wouldn't have been released, it's upping their MAU dramatically and bolstering their share price all of which are great for Blizzard and potentially will benefit Retail since Classic has minimum on going costs.

    Additionally, all kinds of people like myself resubbed solely for Classic. How solely you may ask? Well, I subscribed just before name reservation and between then and the launch of Classic spent a total of 5 mins in BFA, sending all my gold to one toon for future Token purchases, and that's despite having a max lvl toon able to do current content.

    You couldn't pay me to play Retail though I'm happy to pay Blizzard for the opportunity to play Classic and don't mind that my sub fee is partially supporting Retail because I'm happy to have a version of the game I like and glad you have a version you like. Too bad the Retail haters of Classic couldn't see it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorotia View Post
    People are already seeing the lies the vanilla zealots have been spewing for months...it isn't hard...both raids cleared in under a week. This is only week one...released in a slow period for retail.
    It's getting boring reading your constant attacks on Classic at every opportunity you get...you haven't gotten bored of it yet eh?

    No one was lying. And the raids get progressively more difficult, mechanics wise and gear check wise, later in the cycle of Vanilla. Ony and MC were the easiest Raids in Vanilla. No one ever said anything different. There are also entire elements of Classic that are harder than their counterparts in Retail where you have to fall asleep at your keyboard to die while levelling or doing LFR for instance.

    But you can also lie by omission and you do that often. Equating what was done by the top private server guild in the world to a boss/raid that was substantially nerfed as a result of it being attempted with Patch 1.12 itemization adjustments, nerfs, double the debuff slots, years of practise, add-ons and communication tools not available originally and an exp bug exploit with the original 1.3 patch version of the raid just proves you're quite content to ignore any evidence to the contrary in your ongoing crusade to trash Classic.

    Please grow up and realize that Classic has been a boon to Blizzard and the franchise. My sub is subsidizing the version of the game you prefer. There's excitement and energy around the franchise again. Some people coming back or new players attracted to Wow as a result may try Retail. Blizzards profits are up. Classic has minimal ongoing costs so they may spend more money on Retail development.

    If you could just stop being the bitter little whiny malcontent that your posts demonstrate you are and stop biting off your nose to spite your face you'd realize that Classic's success will ultimately benefit retail. Once you get that through your thick skull you'd realize that instead of constantly crapping on Classic you should be wishing it to succeed and embrace it because Retail will be better off in the long run if you did. Of course it takes a mature individual to be able to see that.
  1. Armourboy's Avatar
    There is a lot of " new money " being made right now despite what some may think. Out of a guild of 20-25 players, only 5 that I know of still had a sub when Classic launched. One I know of hasn't played since early TBC. Couple of others have only been on since Wrath sporadically. Heck we even have a new player who has never played WoW at all.

    Trying to pigeonhole who is or isn't playing at this point is silly because from my perspective they are coming from all different angles.
  1. taurendeathknight's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by korijenkins View Post
    It wasn't made for the BFA fanboys who enjoy having rewards handed to them with minimal effort.
    I've been playing since vanilla and I've gotta say, 'minimal' effort?

    Top raid content is at least 100x harder than classic raid content, did you not just see Apes clear MC with people not even at the level cap? Try clearing Firelands/Ragnaros on heroic without people geared or at the level cap. Honestly vanilla bosses are loot pinatas, 2 mechanic, tank and spanks that spit out loot, DPS specs spam one button rotations to do top damage. Pretty 'hard'.

    Loot aisde, cutting edge is the pinnacle of rewards, not loot - that's just means to an end. You do not get cutting edge achievements with 'minimal' effort. Unless you're carried.

    So let's not get into comparisons.

    I work pretty hard for my rewards thank you very much.
  1. Tharkkun's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kyo wolfsfang View Post
    " It was *in* the game and designed that way on Vanilla launch."

    You are a moron. Bugs are not intended.. It wasnt in vanilla, and was not supposed to be in at launch. The issue here is that they had a whole beta period and they didnt catch it to fix on time.
    It was a design change back in 2004 after realizing players were abusing raid exp mechanics in dungeons. The bug was forgetting to carry over that change to classic WoW because they wanted the most authentic experience.

    Just like changing how hunter pets would automatically summon themselves after dismounting or landing at a flight path. That was a design change. Then suddenly that stopped working in a later patch so it was now a bugfix.

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