System Design in Diablo IV (Part I)

Heart of Azeroth and Legendary Cloak Changes
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
In the Visions of N’Zoth PTR, we’re removing what we called the “infinite” at Heart Level 85. It was intended to allowing for an open-ended increase to Corruption resistance.

We’ve heard a lot of feedback from players, and we agree, that there’s value in being able to reach a point where you’re essentially done with Artifact Power.

  • Increasing the Artifact Level of the Heart after unlocking its final Stamina node will continue to increase the Heart of Azeroth’s item level by 2 per step, but otherwise, major progression will end at Artifact Level 80.

To complement this, we’re adding an item in Visions of N’Zoth that players will earn once they’ve upgraded their legendary cloak to its maximum potential via Horrific Visions or from defeating N’Zoth on Normal, Heroic, or Mythic difficulty, or from fully completing a Horrific Vision with at least one Mask active. This item will fortify the cloak, adding additional Corruption Resistance and allowing players to earn the ability to wear more Corrupted armor pieces as time goes by.

We see this as similar to the way that legendary upgrade items were awarded by Archimonde or Argus the Unmaker at the end of the last two expansions – it should provide players who prefer to not do organized raiding with a way to have an engaging option for pursuing this reward.

WoW Classic - Honor Ranks Upcoming Fix
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Hello.

We’ve found the problem here, and a caching issue is causing some players to still see last week’s Honor.

Rest assured that everyone’s kills are counting as expected, and after an additional realm restart in each region, you’ll have the correct rank for this week.
We’re moving to do those realm restarts as soon as we can following the weekly Honor and Raid reset. These restarts are being scheduled for 3:00 a.m. CET Thursday, November 21 in this region.

Thank you for your patience!
This article was originally published in forum thread: Heart of Azeroth Infinite Trait and Legendary Cloak Changes, Classic Honor Rank Fix started by chaud View original post
Comments 28 Comments
  1. Esper's Avatar
    If you can continue to upgrade the item level of the neck forever, you're never actually done with artifact power. How do they not understand this?
  1. Justpassing's Avatar
    That +2 ilvl will be even a bigger grind when you take into consideration that essences scale with the heart's ilvl.
  1. Th3Scourge's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Justpassing View Post
    That +2 ilvl will be even a bigger grind when you take into consideration that essences scale with the heart's ilvl.
    Not really, the reward vs time effort and scaling of AP required for the next level will make it not worth the investment
  1. Justpassing's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    Not really, the reward vs time effort and scaling of AP required for the next level will make it not worth the investment
    Well, I personally won't grind it but you know it only takes one of those weirdos with a cam to bitch about it and we'll have people whining about it non-stop till Shadowlands
  1. Th3Scourge's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Justpassing View Post
    Well, I personally won't grind it but you know it only takes one of those weirdos with a cam to bitch about it and we'll have people whining about it non-stop till Shadowlands
    I know what you mean, but +2 ilvl probably wont be enough of a reward to justify the 100k AP you'll probably need to hit the next level. Sure there will be people who will do it, but they will probably gain 0.0001% power gain from it
  1. Golden Yak's Avatar
    Frankly, I'd rather have the ever-increasing corruption resist rather than the ilvl boost. Eventually you'd hit the point where you're corruption proof and then you could well and truly stop.
  1. Ophenia's Avatar
    "We've removed the "infinite"... And we added another one because we kinda enjoy it"
  1. MrLachyG's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Justpassing View Post
    Well, I personally won't grind it but you know it only takes one of those weirdos with a cam to bitch about it and we'll have people whining about it non-stop till Shadowlands
    ah fuck I was hoping that once you hit 80 all AP would revert to gold again.
  1. Nymrohd's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    Frankly, I'd rather have the ever-increasing corruption resist rather than the ilvl boost. Eventually you'd hit the point where you're corruption proof and then you could well and truly stop.
    I kind of doubt you'd be able to reach 200+ corruption resistance tbh.
  1. Taeldorian's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    Frankly, I'd rather have the ever-increasing corruption resist rather than the ilvl boost. Eventually you'd hit the point where you're corruption proof and then you could well and truly stop.
    Ehhh farming out the corruption would be far far more important than farming out +2ilvl per neck level. You’d easily have people grinding like madmen to get more corruption resistance because of how insane these items are but I guarantee not many will care to get their neck too high with just ilvl being the reward. You can basically stop at ~85 with ilvl, nothing will matter too much past that and realistically what you farm only matters during progress which is why the corruption resistance shit was looking to be so bad. It leads to putting on more OP items which would cause people to farm it.

    This is a good change, it’ll certainly alleviate any big grinding outside of just hitting like 75 or whatever it is for the new essence. I’d prefer to have no infinite grinds though so hopefully this’ll be done with by next expansion. However, for the time being it’s a good change.
  1. Suggs's Avatar
    It should just stop at lvl 80 giving corruption increases from 70 to 80 and stam node only, then get fucked off forever so we can move on and concentrate on something more interesting!
  1. Rotted's Avatar
    Whats the legendary cloaks they mentioned? Wikipage anyone?
  1. grexly75's Avatar
    Gotta love it people whinged about the endless AP grind in Legion.. Now they decided to remove the need to endlessly grind AP for the HoA and people are whinging.. I see this as good as they have now given us a set goal now with the HoA..
  1. Nymrohd's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rotted View Post
    Whats the legendary cloaks they mentioned? Wikipage anyone?
    We are getting a legendary cloak in 8.3 that grants corruption resistance and Sanity damage reduction. Wrathion crafts it using the scales of Onyxia and Nefarian.
  1. Velerios's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    "We've removed the "infinite"... And we added another one because we kinda enjoy it"
    First: 2 ilvl exist since 8.0. But i think you meaned the cloak-grind. Grind exist since vanilla, that's this MMO in a nutshell. But here the grind is not endless like the running away from the AP/AK-Grind where next week is better to farm then this week because there are x% less AP-Requirement. No, here you can haven an advantage by playing the game, not by waiting until it's next week. Also the grind is not endless here, because there's a cap how much corruption resistance you need, both a soft and a hard one.

    So compared to the endless AP-Grind it's a massive improvement. And the 2 ilvl does not matter at all.
  1. Lurker1's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Esper View Post
    If you can continue to upgrade the item level of the neck forever, you're never actually done with artifact power. How do they not understand this?
    Thats the point of a MMOrpg anyways to keep you playing.
  1. qactuar's Avatar
    My heart goes out to anyone who can't stop grinding something unless the game actually sets a hard limit to what they're grinding. Me, I'm able to tell when something isn't worth the time investment and simply not do it, even if there's still technically something to be gained.
  1. barackohmama's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Esper View Post
    If you can continue to upgrade the item level of the neck forever, you're never actually done with artifact power. How do they not understand this?
    They understand it perfectly well, but won't admit it. Raiders and collectors are their main cash cows beside releasing new expansions, so they try too keep those busy by adding "endless" things like new time consuming achievements, endless progression etc.
  1. Haidaes's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Yak View Post
    Frankly, I'd rather have the ever-increasing corruption resist rather than the ilvl boost. Eventually you'd hit the point where you're corruption proof and then you could well and truly stop.
    Same heere.

    This currently looks more like we will end up with some weird cases where a bunch of items might essentially just end up dead weight in our bags. It also makes simming even more important, because now I'm probably guaranteed to have multiple corrupted items in my bags and I certainly can't use all of them. Finding the best combination of these is pretty much only doable by iterating the everliving hell out of them in simulations.

    Do we know how they intend to handle the m+ cache?

    Edit: Also potentially adding the endless grind to the cloak isn't really getting rid of the endless grind :P.
  1. kamuimac's Avatar
    so in the end nothing changes

    now instead farming ap you will farm masks .

    yay what a crucial change that solves nothing.

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