WoW Classic - Warsong Gulch Vendors
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
With the patch and battlegrounds now live, we wanted to take a moment to look at the Warsong Gulch vendors. They worked in original WoW and now work in WoW Classic like this:

  • Warsong Gulch vendor lists only appear when you have the required reputation. You should see the text “What items have I earned the right to purchase?” and, when you’re Neutral with your WSG faction, you should find that you don’t have the right to purchase anything.
  • Warsong Gulch vendors will only sell items from their original list of consumables (and one tabard) for now.
  • Additional items that were added to original WoW in patch 1.6 will become available when Blackwing Lair opens in 2020.

See you in the flag room!

WoW Classic - Warsong Gulch and Alterac Valley Now Live!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
The time has come to put your PvP skills to the test. The Warsong Gulch and Alterac Valley Battlegrounds are now available in WoW Classic.

Warsong Gulch
Test your teamwork in this 10v10 capture-the-flag Battleground. The first team to capture three of the opposing team’s flags wins the match and earns Honor toward their PvP ranking.

To join the Battleground, you’ll need to be at least level 10 and visit the Battlemaster in one of the capital cities to queue or, if you’re feeling adventurous, travel to the Battleground in the Northern Barrens (for the Horde) or Ashenvale (for the Alliance).

You’ll be matched up with other players within a specific level bracket as follows:

  • 10–19
  • 20–29
  • 30–39
  • 40–49
  • 50–59
  • 60

Check out Wowhead’s complete guide for tips and strategies to help you and your team make the most of your time in this classic Battleground.

Alterac Valley
Step into Alterac Valley and prepare to engage in a battle for every square meter across this Battleground. You’ll need to coordinate with your team in a 40v40 grudge match to see who will come out on top.

To queue for this Battleground, you’ll need to be at least level 51 at the Battlemasters within the capital cities or head out into Alterac Mountains to queue up there.

You and your team will need to coordinate to complete PvE and PvP objectives to win. You’ll control key locations such as mines, towers, and graveyards, which will help you push further into the map toward the main objective—the opposite faction’s general—Vanndar Stormpike for the Alliance or Drek’Thar for the Horde. You can make this task easier for you and your team by destroying enemy towers and killing the elites guarding the generals.

You’ll also be able to turn in resources that can be looted from mobs and players that can be turned in to gain additional bonuses and aid to your side’s cause of crushing the enemy.

Earning reputation within this Battleground for the Stormpike Guard of the Alliance or Frostwolf Clan for the Horde will open up access to new rewards. You can also gain additional reputation by undertaking a variety of quests within the Battleground.

For a complete guide on this classic Battleground, visit Wowhead.

What are you waiting for? Get in there!
This article was originally published in forum thread: WoW Classic - Warsong Gulch Vendors, Warsong Gulch and Alterac Valley Now Live! started by Stoy View original post
Comments 27 Comments
  1. Grimbolt's Avatar
    I think people wanted pre 1.5 AV for a reason. People simple cap one GY and rush the warmasters to end the EV in 6 to 10 minutes. Either the buffs on the NPCs are not working as they should or AV just sucks in classic.

    Might as well play retail against the bots then.
  1. Kagthul's Avatar
    So ... there's literally no point to playing Warsong at all until BWL opens.

    What a dumpster fire.

    Not that it matters.. you only get Rep from flag caps... andthe fact that Horde aren't even trying to PLAY the WSG matches im in.. they just grab the flag and sit center and "Farm" HKs until they get killed, drop the flag, and Allies cap means you dont get rep.

    What fun.

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    And yeah.. im loving my 22-game losing streak in AV. Rush Van, lose. Because people dont realize this is 1.x AV where the terrain HEAVILY favors Allies.. who can simply ride straight into our base without aggroing a single mob until they hit the relief hut.
  1. Raelyn's Avatar
    Gotta love #nochanges. Glad I stopped playing Classic now. It was a fun distraction for a couple of months, but it quickly got boring for me. I'm happy back in retail with a million more things to do to fill my time.
  1. s0ul's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Raelyn View Post
    Gotta love #nochanges. Glad I stopped playing Classic now. It was a fun distraction for a couple of months, but it quickly got boring for me. I'm happy back in retail with a million more things to do to fill my time.
    Logged onto Retail today. My server was thriving in Legion (Area-52). It was so populated that I had to separate Trade into a different window to prevent the spam. It's completely empty now. Retail is failing to retain players and Classic just had a bunch of people return for BGs. Whether you like or dislike Classic, you have to admit the game is more popular than Retail and that's sad. It's a 15 year old version... Hope Shadowlands is a good expansion because I don't think Retail can take another BFA.
  1. Queen of Hamsters's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by s0ul View Post
    Logged onto Retail today. My server was thriving in Legion (Area-52). It was so populated that I had to separate Trade into a different window to prevent the spam. It's completely empty now. Retail is failing to retain players and Classic just had a bunch of people return for BGs. Whether you like or dislike Classic, you have to admit the game is more popular than Retail and that's sad. It's a 15 year old version... Hope Shadowlands is a good expansion because I don't think Retail can take another BFA.
    I play (login to raid + manage auctions) across 3 servers and they're all just as bustling with people as they were in Legion, + queues are as short as ever for all the content and the server tags (medium, high, full) remain pretty much the same as during BfA launch. I see this even as someone not enjoying the current expansion at this point.

    Unless you can provide some evidence to your claims in terms of revenue and current sub numbers and daily users, you're just flinging bullshit. As is customary amongst the Classic crowd, for sure.

    One would think that the whole "Retail's dying lul!"-narrative would change now that Classic fans have their version and are literally playing it thanks to the revenue stream from Retail, but no...
  1. Lurker1's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by s0ul View Post
    Logged onto Retail today. My server was thriving in Legion (Area-52). It was so populated that I had to separate Trade into a different window to prevent the spam. It's completely empty now. Retail is failing to retain players and Classic just had a bunch of people return for BGs. Whether you like or dislike Classic, you have to admit the game is more popular than Retail and that's sad. It's a 15 year old version... Hope Shadowlands is a good expansion because I don't think Retail can take another BFA.
    More like your making stuff up it's the other way around for my server in retail being over population while my classic server is pretty much dead by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    I play (login to raid + manage auctions) across 3 servers and they're all just as bustling with people as they were in Legion, + queues are as short as ever for all the content and the server tags (medium, high, full) remain pretty much the same as during BfA launch. I see this even as someone not enjoying the current expansion at this point.

    Unless you can provide some evidence to your claims in terms of revenue and current sub numbers and daily users, you're just flinging bullshit. As is customary amongst the Classic crowd, for sure.

    One would think that the whole "Retail's dying lul!"-narrative would change now that Classic fans have their version and are literally playing it thanks to the revenue stream from Retail, but no...
    There to busy making stuff up instead of playing that old turd of a game.
  1. lagiacrux's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    I play (login to raid + manage auctions) across 3 servers and they're all just as bustling with people as they were in Legion, + queues are as short as ever for all the content and the server tags (medium, high, full) remain pretty much the same as during BfA launch. I see this even as someone not enjoying the current expansion at this point.

    Unless you can provide some evidence to your claims in terms of revenue and current sub numbers and daily users, you're just flinging bullshit. As is customary amongst the Classic crowd, for sure.

    One would think that the whole "Retail's dying lul!"-narrative would change now that Classic fans have their version and are literally playing it thanks to the revenue stream from Retail, but no...
    so you are comparing a game that just got a big content patch with a game that hadnt had a patch for months. seems about a right ...
  1. kranur's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by s0ul View Post
    Logged onto Retail today. My server was thriving in Legion (Area-52). It was so populated that I had to separate Trade into a different window to prevent the spam. It's completely empty now. Retail is failing to retain players and Classic just had a bunch of people return for BGs. Whether you like or dislike Classic, you have to admit the game is more popular than Retail and that's sad. It's a 15 year old version... Hope Shadowlands is a good expansion because I don't think Retail can take another BFA.
    Lies. Or you just went into some obscure part of a city. Obviously you won't have your entire server in a single place (drooling in Org as they wait for the Ony buff) since there are a lot more options where you can hang out. Now tell me again how glorious the classic BG's are.

    Always wondered, why are you not playing classic and instead are complaining on the forums about how bad bfa is?
  1. Alaenore's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by s0ul View Post
    Logged onto Retail today. My server was thriving in Legion (Area-52). It was so populated that I had to separate Trade into a different window to prevent the spam. It's completely empty now. Retail is failing to retain players and Classic just had a bunch of people return for BGs. Whether you like or dislike Classic, you have to admit the game is more popular than Retail and that's sad. It's a 15 year old version... Hope Shadowlands is a good expansion because I don't think Retail can take another BFA.
    In EU EN, Retail right now has 9 servers shown as full, and 14 as high. Classic has 1 full, 15 high.
    If retail is dying, then by your metric Classic is already dead, and that's without counting all the other regions and medium / low pop servers.
  1. justandulas's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alaenore View Post
    In EU EN, Retail right now has 9 servers shown as full, and 14 as high. Classic has 1 full, 15 high.
    If retail is dying, then by your metric Classic is already dead, and that's without counting all the other regions and medium / low pop servers.
    They use different metrics between classic and retail to determine realm population

    My realm will list medium retail and 50 people won’t even be online. Not in guild I mean total in game.

    One of the big reasons for classics success or perceived population over retail is that they handle the realm population issue better and it feels more lively because it’s more crowded

    There are a handful of populated retail realms that everyone basically migrated to, and the majority of realms are ghost towns. Out of stubborn pride, stupidity, or being cheap on servers and greedy for $... they refuse to merge retail servers so most of us play on dead realms and won’t pay to transfer characters, guilds, etc cuz we shouldn’t have to pay hundreds to transfer

    Meanwhile, a classic realm like Herod has queue times with more players in it than I’ve seen in retail realms total in 10+ years

    Blizz inaction has led to the perception that retail realms are dead, because most are and their solution is “pay us to move”
  1. gonzajd777's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbolt View Post
    I think people wanted pre 1.5 AV for a reason. People simple cap one GY and rush the warmasters to end the EV in 6 to 10 minutes. Either the buffs on the NPCs are not working as they should or AV just sucks in classic.

    Might as well play retail against the bots then.
    always, ALWAYS have something to cry for dont you?
  1. justandulas's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by gonzajd777 View Post
    always, ALWAYS have something to cry for dont you?
    I think he’s right tbh. When people want classic av, they wanted it warts and all. 5-20 hour battles

    Instead, they got the retail av with classic characters put in.

    It’s a huge mistake in an otherwise successful classic launch period. But using the wrong av is a mistake and there’s forum after forum asking them to change. Even as far back as pre launch people were asking them to reconsider and use the original av

    At least wsg is perfect
  1. ONCHEhap's Avatar
    Please,AV did not come in this patch.

    1.12 AV did,and it's a version that's further from old AV than BfA AV is
  1. crewskater's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker1 View Post
    More like your making stuff up it's the other way around for my server in retail being over population while my classic server is pretty much dead by now.

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    There to busy making stuff up instead of playing that old turd of a game.
    The same could be said about you making stuff up. Come back with some evidence instead of anecdotal nonsense.
  1. Gratlim's Avatar
    Remember to get exalted with AV rep before you ask for a reversal to old AV I know I will do it before Blizz nerf it and give old AV back because of online pressure. Soon revered!
  1. Queen of Hamsters's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker1 View Post
    More like your making stuff up it's the other way around for my server in retail being over population while my classic server is pretty much dead by now.

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    There to busy making stuff up instead of playing that old turd of a game.
    Well, there are total across all regions far more Retail servers at High/Full than Classic ones, and we already know that Retail servers carry more people overall to begin with. That's before looking at Medium and even Low Pop servers.

    So yeah, whenever they attempt to prop up their preferred game by saying that Retail has fewer players, they're just being simple-minded.
  1. Thanatu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kranur View Post
    Lies. Or you just went into some obscure part of a city. Obviously you won't have your entire server in a single place (drooling in Org as they wait for the Ony buff) since there are a lot more options where you can hang out. Now tell me again how glorious the classic BG's are.

    Always wondered, why are you not playing classic and instead are complaining on the forums about how bad bfa is?

    Honest when I last logged in I /who'd the main cities and raid during standard raid hours and it was dead dead on Stormreaver.

    Saw maybe 100 people across the zones and my normally booming, near if not the top guild on server at times, only had 1 person online. Nobody had been using guild chat and I know this cause you can see chat history now. Seems to me like Retail players are waiting til next patch drops in hopes for something worth their while. Only people I saw were running M+ , tons of people running people for tokens n such still.

    My guess is that we will see uptick when next very promising patch drops, but the next expansion better be very good or Classic is going to divide the play base too heavily for it to maintain its current server number. I hope that WoW's future is bright but I am in the boat the ship has set sail for sure.
  1. Lurker1's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    Well, there are total across all regions far more Retail servers at High/Full than Classic ones, and we already know that Retail servers carry more people overall to begin with. That's before looking at Medium and even Low Pop servers.

    So yeah, whenever they attempt to prop up their preferred game by saying that Retail has fewer players, they're just being simple-minded.
    More like morons like that moron that just replyed to me what a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewskater View Post
    The same could be said about you making stuff up. Come back with some evidence instead of anecdotal nonsense.
    Because it's so hard looking at the retail and classic listing then compare them lol keep telling yourself that the evidence is right there in front of your face you fool.
  1. kranur's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatu View Post
    Honest when I last logged in I /who'd the main cities and raid during standard raid hours and it was dead dead on Stormreaver.

    Saw maybe 100 people across the zones and my normally booming, near if not the top guild on server at times, only had 1 person online. Nobody had been using guild chat and I know this cause you can see chat history now. Seems to me like Retail players are waiting til next patch drops in hopes for something worth their while. Only people I saw were running M+ , tons of people running people for tokens n such still.

    My guess is that we will see uptick when next very promising patch drops, but the next expansion better be very good or Classic is going to divide the play base too heavily for it to maintain its current server number. I hope that WoW's future is bright but I am in the boat the ship has set sail for sure.
    I think the majority of classic players don't even come from bfa. They're mostly private players or peoplenwho weren't playing bfa anyway. When classic launched, most of my friends list was in classic with 1-2 on retail. Now it's 1-2 classic, 2-3 retail.
  1. crewskater's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker1 View Post
    Because it's so hard looking at the retail and classic listing then compare them lol keep telling yourself that the evidence is right there in front of your face you fool.
    I wasn't aware they released the numbers. I just googled it and came up short. You're more than welcome to prove me wrong.

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