Rank 3 Uldum Accord and Rajani Reputation Essences Now Require Revered
A hotfix implemented tonight has lowered the requirements to purchase the rank 3 version of the following new essences (rank 1 earned from the Black Empire campaign intro quests) from exalted to revered, which lessens the grind by quite a bit!

Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
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  1. Aekero's Avatar
    Not arguing one way or the other as far as bfa being alt friendly or not, but there's no way it's the _least_ alt friendly expansion.... E.g. BC nothing was more convenient on your second character aside from flying.
  1. Marrilaife's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aekero View Post
    Not arguing one way or the other as far as bfa being alt friendly or not, but there's no way it's the _least_ alt friendly expansion.... E.g. BC nothing was more convenient on your second character aside from flying.
    Oh, there was. HC dungeons at start required keys and you needed every rep to revered to get full set of keys - this was nerfed to honored later on (read: easier for alts and latecomers) and at some point rep requirement was completely removed (could be on pre patch?). Also I didn't raid in TBC except entry raids (Kara, Mag, ZA) but I vaguely remember at some point they let you raid TK and BT without having to go through the attunement again?

    Wotlk also had alt friendly changes like making head enchants account bound so you didn't need to regrind the rep, and big thing was introduction of heirlooms, which to this day are a staple for levelling alts. I remember you still needed sons of Hodir on alts (except tanks, who bought honor shoulder enchant from pvp quartermaster), but they introduced a repeatable turn in quest with tradeable tokens (relic of ulduar was it) so you could just "buy off" the rep on an alt. Or grind relics on main and pass them to alts.
  1. Mardux's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Grinding dailies only gives 1k a day
    Unless I have miscalculated so let’s say 2k a day....still not 3 keys

    I have only done uldum dailies and I have gotten 4 keys

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    You missed the skip for mogushan

    The only scenario you can’t skip are the wrathion ones
    If you're alliance getting the 30% bonus with no drawback, you can get very close to 5 keys a week by doing all dailies and the mini-events.

    If you're horde, its 4 keys max.
  1. Marrilaife's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Grinding dailies only gives 1k a day
    Unless I have miscalculated so let’s say 2k a day....still not 3 keys

    I have only done uldum dailies and I have gotten 4 keys
    I mean if you do 3 invasion chests and daily mini visions you'll get 3 keys and a small extra bit.

    Nobody gets 6 keys a week "easy" and with "no grind" to get that many you need to do:
    - invasions 3/ week
    - mini visions daily + farm mobs inside them for extra essences until your sanity runs out
    - all dailies
    - kill rares / loot chests
    - kill mobs for the 6x tokens to create a key for big chest
    (I don't think events give essences just rep, but could be wrong.)

    Like seiously. TLDR: No grind = 3 keys per week. You wanna more keys? Gotta grind.

    The choice is yours, you can probably get by with 3 keys a week if you didn't fall behind anywhere and started week 1.

    I'm not saying you have to grind no matter what, I'm saying you have to grind if you want 5-6 keys instead of 3. Yes, if you just did some dailies not everything you will get more than 3 but less than 6. What's there to be surprised about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mardux View Post
    If you're alliance getting the 30% bonus with no drawback, you can get very close to 5 keys a week by doing all dailies and the mini-events.

    If you're horde, its 4 keys max.
    I'm alliance with no warmode cuz cba getting swarmed by 1 million hords and never allowed to tag a rare and I still think if you do everything you can get 5-6 keys a week but you need to grind rares, chests and mobs in mini-vision.

    At least as horde you can get 10% bonus basically uncontested and if you get ganked you can jump shards and always find one with 0 alliance. Unless you're Australian, then sorry. But still could probably jump into US shard just suffer higher latency.

    Unfortunately I'm EU so I'm not connected with Australian servers in any way.
  1. zantheus1993's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mardux View Post
    If you're alliance getting the 30% bonus with no drawback, you can get very close to 5 keys a week by doing all dailies and the mini-events.

    If you're horde, its 4 keys max.
    Horde with no wm bonus and no mini events
    Assaults are a key and 11k a week
    Mini visions are 12k
    Include dailies which are 14k
    Each week you get 4.7 keys

    So yes that is 4 keys without hardcore farming but it’s not max

    Considering you can hold 7 keys if you include the 25k currency then you are fine not grinding for another month

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    I mean if you do 3 invasion chests and daily mini visions you'll get 3 keys and a small extra bit.

    Nobody gets 6 keys a week "easy" and with "no grind" to get that many you need to do:
    - invasions 3/ week
    - mini visions daily + farm mobs inside them for extra essences until your sanity runs out
    - all dailies
    - kill rares / loot chests
    - kill mobs for the 6x tokens to create a key for big chest
    (I don't think events give essences just rep, but could be wrong.)

    Like seiously. TLDR: No grind = 3 keys per week. You wanna more keys? Gotta grind.

    The choice is yours, you can probably get by with 3 keys a week if you didn't fall behind anywhere and started week 1.

    I'm not saying you have to grind no matter what, I'm saying you have to grind if you want 5-6 keys instead of 3. Yes, if you just did some dailies not everything you will get more than 3 but less than 6. What's there to be surprised about.

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    I'm alliance with no warmode cuz cba getting swarmed by 1 million hords and never allowed to tag a rare and I still think if you do everything you can get 5-6 keys a week but you need to grind rares, chests and mobs in mini-vision.

    At least as horde you can get 10% bonus basically uncontested and if you get ganked you can jump shards and always find one with 0 alliance. Unless you're Australian, then sorry. But still could probably jump into US shard just suffer higher latency.

    Unfortunately I'm EU so I'm not connected with Australian servers in any way.

    I can’t type out all the math again but it’s 3 without WM and only assaults and visions

    An extra with dailies
    Probably get the last 3k from the stuff you do during assaults

    Relatively easy for 4
    Bit of a grind for 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    I mean if you do 3 invasion chests and daily mini visions you'll get 3 keys and a small extra bit.

    Nobody gets 6 keys a week "easy" and with "no grind" to get that many you need to do:
    - invasions 3/ week
    - mini visions daily + farm mobs inside them for extra essences until your sanity runs out
    - all dailies
    - kill rares / loot chests
    - kill mobs for the 6x tokens to create a key for big chest
    (I don't think events give essences just rep, but could be wrong.)

    Like seiously. TLDR: No grind = 3 keys per week. You wanna more keys? Gotta grind.

    The choice is yours, you can probably get by with 3 keys a week if you didn't fall behind anywhere and started week 1.

    I'm not saying you have to grind no matter what, I'm saying you have to grind if you want 5-6 keys instead of 3. Yes, if you just did some dailies not everything you will get more than 3 but less than 6. What's there to be surprised about.

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    I'm alliance with no warmode cuz cba getting swarmed by 1 million hords and never allowed to tag a rare and I still think if you do everything you can get 5-6 keys a week but you need to grind rares, chests and mobs in mini-vision.

    At least as horde you can get 10% bonus basically uncontested and if you get ganked you can jump shards and always find one with 0 alliance. Unless you're Australian, then sorry. But still could probably jump into US shard just suffer higher latency.

    Unfortunately I'm EU so I'm not connected with Australian servers in any way.

    I can’t type out all the math again but it’s 3 without WM and only assaults and visions

    An extra with dailies
    Probably get the last 3k from the stuff you do during assaults

    Relatively easy for 4
    Bit of a grind for 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    I mean if you do 3 invasion chests and daily mini visions you'll get 3 keys and a small extra bit.

    Nobody gets 6 keys a week "easy" and with "no grind" to get that many you need to do:
    - invasions 3/ week
    - mini visions daily + farm mobs inside them for extra essences until your sanity runs out
    - all dailies
    - kill rares / loot chests
    - kill mobs for the 6x tokens to create a key for big chest
    (I don't think events give essences just rep, but could be wrong.)

    Like seiously. TLDR: No grind = 3 keys per week. You wanna more keys? Gotta grind.

    The choice is yours, you can probably get by with 3 keys a week if you didn't fall behind anywhere and started week 1.

    I'm not saying you have to grind no matter what, I'm saying you have to grind if you want 5-6 keys instead of 3. Yes, if you just did some dailies not everything you will get more than 3 but less than 6. What's there to be surprised about.

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    I'm alliance with no warmode cuz cba getting swarmed by 1 million hords and never allowed to tag a rare and I still think if you do everything you can get 5-6 keys a week but you need to grind rares, chests and mobs in mini-vision.

    At least as horde you can get 10% bonus basically uncontested and if you get ganked you can jump shards and always find one with 0 alliance. Unless you're Australian, then sorry. But still could probably jump into US shard just suffer higher latency.

    Unfortunately I'm EU so I'm not connected with Australian servers in any way.

    I can’t type out all the math again but it’s 3 without WM and only assaults and visions

    An extra with dailies
    Probably get the last 3k from the stuff you do during assaults

    Relatively easy for 4
    Bit of a grind for 5
  1. Bennett's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Wrong. The pages from before rank 12 are locked to only 2 a run, it doesn't matter if you do 2 bonus objectives and then wipe on boss you still get 2, same as someone who does a full clear. The ranks after 12 require lost areas and again, can only obtain 2 per run and you get the 2 per run regardless of if you can kill the final boss or not.

    lol @ "impossible".

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    You mean a non existent effort? Because mains get far more vessels then they will ever need to max their cloak, and alts can max it barely playing the game. lolz. Again catchup mechanic doesn't inherently mean "you get it cause your main did it! yay!" It means you get it faster, and you do like I already proved.
    You don't get it faster though

    Let's assume you have 2 players, both of which never fail the minimum requirements to get their upgrades -

    player 1 starts week 1 of the patch
    player 2 starts in week 25 of the patch

    It takes both players exactly the same amount of visions to reach rank 15, the difference player 2 could go and get his done as quick as he is able to, player 1 had to wait for rank 15 to be physically attainable. That's a time gate, not a catch up mechanic. A catch up mechanic reduces the amount of work required to bring people up to speed. That's not happening here, getting your cloak to rank 15 as soon as it's unlocked, or in 6 months time - will demand the same amount of work
  1. Marrilaife's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    I can’t type out all the math again but it’s 3 without WM and only assaults and visions

    An extra with dailies
    Probably get the last 3k from the stuff you do during assaults

    Relatively easy for 4
    Bit of a grind for 5
    Yeah basically. I'm not gonna grind all the dailies 7 days a week on alts. So I just take my 3 guaranteed keys for them.

    On your main it might not feel like a grind to do all dailies in both zones with a bit of rares, chests and events. But if you start adding alts into the mix, it becomes too time consuming. Doing mini vision + 3 assaults is not so bad because visions take 5 mins per day and assaults is 3x 20 mins per week. Doing dailies is way too time consuming on alts especially if you have to do 3x rare in a zone, and not only you need to find them, but you might not be able to solo them so would need to find people for that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Grinding dailies only gives 1k a day
    Unless I have miscalculated so let’s say 2k a day....still not 3 keys
    Dailies give 250 essence per daily and there are 6-8 dailies counting both zones a day so that's 1,5-2k essence per day by grinding the dailies, definitely adds up to 2 extra keys per week. Now if you want 6th key you'll have to do all the optional sources.
  1. zantheus1993's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    Yeah basically. I'm not gonna grind all the dailies 7 days a week on alts. So I just take my 3 guaranteed keys for them.

    On your main it might not feel like a grind to do all dailies in both zones with a bit of rares, chests and events. But if you start adding alts into the mix, it becomes too time consuming. Doing mini vision + 3 assaults is not so bad because visions take 5 mins per day and assaults is 3x 20 mins per week. Doing dailies is way too time consuming on alts especially if you have to do 3x rare in a zone, and not only you need to find them, but you might not be able to solo them so would need to find people for that as well.

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    Dailies give 250 essence per daily and there are 6-8 dailies counting both zones a day so that's 1,5-2k essence per day by grinding the dailies, definitely adds up to 2 extra keys per week. Now if you want 6th key you'll have to do all the optional sources.
    14k max from every daily doesn’t make 2 extra keys

    Also if you throw an alt into the mix then that’s on you. Until rank 9 I think you only need to run one vision a week right now

    You get 4 free keys from intro so rank 5 first week
    Second week you get those 3 runs so boom rank 8
    Third week boom 9.5
    Fourth week all caught up
  1. Marrilaife's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    Also if you throw an alt into the mix then that’s on you.
    "BFA is alt unfriendly"
    "No it's not, but it's your fault for wanting to play one anyway."
    This discussion in a nutshell.
  1. zantheus1993's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    "BFA is alt unfriendly"
    "No it's not, but it's your fault for wanting to play one anyway."
    This discussion in a nutshell.
    No you see when some people discuss an old character it’s that you can have them kept up with your main through more or less minimal effort but you say that you have to have the alternate character running as much as you’re main and farming as much as you’re main that’s on you

    You seem to have also skipped the fact that I pointed out you can have an alt character caught up with your man on the clock after only four weeks of minimal prep


    right now I have four alt characters that are all caught up with my main except by three cloak levels because fuck storm wind

    I just capped another character and will have it ready to join my alt army in maybe three hours of gameplay


    I do not want to keep those characters as progressed as my man on the cloak however I do the assaults on them and the New World boss nothing else and except for the newest one they are all item level 440 to item level 445


    You want your old character to be caught up with your man on your cloak if that is how you want to do it and you see the only way to keep up with it is by grinding then you cannot complain about the grind because let’s be honest the grind is about as painful as walking on hot sand
  1. Vynx's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by kaid View Post
    Better than they were but still pretty glacial rep gains.
    And WQ week is coming but we won't benefit from it, except those pet battles :|
    The distaste I had for Mechagon dailies are nothing compared to Uldum and Vale ones.
    Because of this and cloak maintenance, I went from 5 to 2 toons I keep up.

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