Ion Response - Mythic N'Zoth Rumor, Patch 8.3 HandyNotes Addon, Fan Art, DLC 714

Originally Posted by Yarathir

Something that wasn't an anticlimactic deus ex machina. And plenty of people agree with me.

How was the beam a deus a machina? It was exactly what we were sent to do.

(besides nearly getting tentacle raped)

Originally Posted by Ghostile

How was the beam a deus a machina? It was exactly what we were sent to do.

(besides nearly getting tentacle raped)

Because it solved the entire problem that people in-universe threw a hysterical fit over in one go, and even in the case where it all goes wrong (i.e. player gets corrupted), it still oneshot kills the big issue and pretty much wipes it out of existence.

We go from "noo, nooo an old god is unleashed, it's the end of the world" to "well the old god is generously containing himself to uldum and vale of eternal blossoms and only occasionally trying to spook us" to "eh, we use the reorigination thingamjig on him and call it a day."

Plus the whole conceptual notion is the same as for Deathwing's demise, except that it's the Dragon Soul for him.

But hey, let's use the reorigination beam for everything else in the future. Maybe we can even have it cross into the Shadowlands and take out the Jailer. B)

Originally Posted by Yarathir

Because it solved the entire problem that people in-universe threw a hysterical fit over in one go, and even in the case where it all goes wrong (i.e. player gets corrupted), it still oneshot kills the big issue and pretty much wipes it out of existence.

We go from "noo, nooo an old god is unleashed, it's the end of the world" to "well the old god is generously containing himself to uldum and vale of eternal blossoms and only occasionally trying to spook us" to "eh, we use the reorigination thingamjig on him and call it a day."

Plus the whole conceptual notion is the same as for Deathwing's demise, except that it's the Dragon Soul for him.

But hey, let's use the reorigination beam for everything else in the future. Maybe we can even have it cross into the Shadowlands and take out the Jailer. B)

Did.. you play the game at all during the patch?

Old god is unleash, pushing for the titan engines in Uldum and Vale so he can fuck the planet up with them.

The only thing that can solve this fast enough is manipulating the engine of reorigination to blast nzoth from point blank, which requires triangulation (which is done during nyalotha raid) and close proximity, which nearly fails due to Nzoth assaulting the chamber.

As for the mind control dropping, I wouldn't say it's too far fetched that the combination of the cloak and the proximity to the world-soul can disrupt a sprouting mind control.

Why this won't be used in the future? It was mentioned early on that it can spare energy for a single blast.

Originally Posted by Ghostile

Did.. you play the game at all during the patch?

Old god is unleash, pushing for the titan engines in Uldum and Vale so he can fuck the planet up with them.

The only thing that can solve this fast enough is manipulating the engine of reorigination to blast nzoth from point blank, which requires triangulation (which is done during nyalotha raid) and close proximity, which nearly fails due to Nzoth assaulting the chamber.

I have played it and nothing changes what I said. N'Zoth affected nothing. He made some spooky visions and gooped over Uldum and Vale. We go into Halls of Origination at least three times to get rid of one invader or another, but yet it isn't considered a big enough issue to station any forces there. Just clean out the nuisances now and then.


There were no stakes and no intrigue. A boss that could've had his own expansion was tossed in the trash and all we got to show for it was a cheaped down Lord of the Rings cutscene. Now watch the multiple Saurfang cinematics, consumer. That's where the real interest lies.

Originally Posted by Ghostile

Why this won't be used in the future? It was mentioned early on that it can spare energy for a single blast.

Oh, so hacking together a justification for this is only sensible once to get rid of a threat that was built up since Cataclysm and arguably before. Doing it any more would be silly, or something?

No, the thing exists, as you said, so now Blizzard has an out to use it whenever they wish to cheaply dispose of a big threat. Next time they'll just make you farm Originum for a while, instead of Azerite.

Originally Posted by Yarathir

I have played it and nothing changes what I said. N'Zoth affected nothing. He made some spooky visions and gooped over Uldum and Vale. We go into Halls of Origination at least three times to get rid of one invader or another, but yet it isn't considered a big enough issue to station any forces there. Just clean out the nuisances now and then.


There were no stakes and no intrigue. A boss that could've had his own expansion was tossed in the trash and all we got to show for it was a cheaped down Lord of the Rings cutscene. Now watch the multiple Saurfang cinematics, consumer. That's where the real interest lies.

Oh, so hacking together a justification for this is only sensible once to get rid of a threat that was built up since Cataclysm and arguably before. Doing it any more would be silly, or something?

No, the thing exists, as you said, so now Blizzard has an out to use it whenever they wish to cheaply dispose of a big threat. Next time they'll just make you farm Originum for a while, instead of Azerite.

You could have just said you have a unhealthy hateboner for blizzard and everything they do nowadays is terrible :P

Originally Posted by Ghostile

You could have just said you have a unhealthy hateboner for blizzard and everything they do nowadays is terrible :P

You could've just said you have no argument.

But I suppose calling me le hater who just doesn't wanna like Blizzard or WoW is an easier way to handwave things. B)

Originally Posted by qwerty123456

Lore says that the old gods are just parasites that the void lords tossed all over the universe hoping to hit a world soul. They are basically cannon fodder whose one job is to make a dark titan. Just because old god fanboys wish they were more important doesn't mean they are.

-Ten years spent building up to the final old god.
-Six years hyping up the old god threat, since Sargeras was so terrified of them that is why he created the Legion in the first place.
-Four years hyping N'zoth's master plan, what with the Emerald Nightmare raid and the whispers from Xal'atath.
-One year hyping N'zoth wrecking Azeroth after he was released at the end of the Azshara raid.
-N'zoth finally takes center stage
-Worst fight and lore since decades with a laughable dragonball lazor cinematic
-"Just because old god fanboys wish they were more important doesn't mean they are"

You are pathetic

Originally Posted by Yarathir

We go into Halls of Origination at least three times to get rid of one invader or another, but yet it isn't considered a big enough issue to station any forces there. Just clean out the nuisances now and then.

You didn't pay attention then. When we first go there we find out it is being invaded by the Amathet who we clear out and thwart. Then we go meet with the Uldum Accord who agreed to station forces outside there to help defend it. This can be seen when the Amathet assault is up.

Then the second time you go there Magni makes a mention that someone defeated all the station forces and that it is bad. Third time is Mother teleporting you back to the source (vision) so we don't see if more forces have arrived.

So yes it was a big enough issue to put forces there. Just like the Rajani agreed to protect the Engine of Nalak'sha.

Originally Posted by Lucetia

You didn't pay attention then. When we first go there we find out it is being invaded by the Amathet who we clear out and thwart. Then we go meet with the Uldum Accord who agreed to station forces outside there to help defend it. This can be seen when the Amathet assault is up.

Then the second time you go there Magni makes a mention that someone defeated all the station forces and that it is bad. Third time is Mother teleporting you back to the source (vision) so we don't see if more forces have arrived.

So yes it was a big enough issue to put forces there. Just like the Rajani agreed to protect the Engine of Nalak'sha.

I did pay attention and I was referring to actually big deal forces, like a good amount of Alliance/Horde protection, considering it's a thing that can wipe out the entire planet.

I also know it's the Amathet one time. The point is: something that could clean the life off the entire planet is a point of interest for different groups that want to use it to wipe out all life on Azeroth and every time, the errand boy player has to go in and clean one nuisance or another from it. Gameplay is gameplay, maybe, but it's complete nonsense in story context.

Originally Posted by Vilendor

-Ten years spent building up to the final old god.
-Six years hyping up the old god threat, since Sargeras was so terrified of them that is why he created the Legion in the first place.
-Four years hyping N'zoth's master plan, what with the Emerald Nightmare raid and the whispers from Xal'atath.
-One year hyping N'zoth wrecking Azeroth after he was released at the end of the Azshara raid.
-N'zoth finally takes center stage
-Worst fight and lore since decades with a laughable dragonball lazor cinematic
-"Just because old god fanboys wish they were more important doesn't mean they are"

You are pathetic

Sargeras wasn't frighted of the old gods. He was of the void lords and a corrupted titan. But thanks for calling me pathetic when you don't even know lore. Sargeras and the burning legion were the main threat of the entire warcraft universe until we learned about void lords. And yet he and the legion were finished off in a patch.

Originally Posted by Yarathir

I did pay attention and I was referring to actually big deal forces, like a good amount of Alliance/Horde protection, considering it's a thing that can wipe out the entire planet.

I also know it's the Amathet one time. The point is: something that could clean the life off the entire planet is a point of interest for different groups that want to use it to wipe out all life on Azeroth and every time, the errand boy player has to go in and clean one nuisance or another from it. Gameplay is gameplay, maybe, but it's complete nonsense in story context.

Most people don't know shit about reorigination or where its located. Did you not pay attention? The first group is a splinter group of Tolvir who are lead by a hidden old god minion. Then later on as he had help from the people who protected/ran it N'Zoth then goes after it with his own buddies. Pretty much nobody else knew how to run it nor what it was and on top of that any Horde or Ally stationed their would have riled up the other faction and probably start another war.

The fact is Blizzard set it up as the ultimate way to deal with the Old Gods like what a decade ago? Just because you feel its dbz doesn't mean its some cheap easy way to deal with em.

Originally Posted by qwerty123456

Sargeras wasn't frighted of the old gods. He was of the void lords and a corrupted titan. But thanks for calling me pathetic when you don't even know lore. Sargeras and the burning legion were the main threat of the entire warcraft universe until we learned about void lords. And yet he and the legion were finished off in a patch.

Of course Sargeras was afraid of the Old Gods. You don't have to be afraid of somebody's direct physical might to be scared of them.
He was scared of the Old Gods because they could corrupt growing World Souls and turn them into Dark Titans. So yes, he was scared of the Old Gods and what they could do, to the point that he preemptively sliced entire planets in two to avoid any Old God getting to a World Soul.

Originally Posted by qwerty123456

Most people don't know shit about reorigination or where its located. Did you not pay attention? The first group is a splinter group of Tolvir who are lead by a hidden old god minion. Then later on as he had help from the people who protected/ran it N'Zoth then goes after it with his own buddies. Pretty much nobody else knew how to run it nor what it was and on top of that any Horde or Ally stationed their would have riled up the other faction and probably start another war.

The fact is Blizzard set it up as the ultimate way to deal with the Old Gods like what a decade ago? Just because you feel its dbz doesn't mean its some cheap easy way to deal with em.

Literally irrelevant because in 8.3, there are groups with evil intentions that do know about reorigination and plan to very deliberately use it to wipe out life on Azeroth. That means you're going to have to have a serious force guarding it, not WoW's equivalent of the mall cops.

Yes, and Blizzard could've also had Med'an come in and oneshot N'Zoth. See? They set it up, therefore it can't be a bad way to deal with N'Zoth.

Originally Posted by Lucetia

Granted I'm not saying it's about the money or not, but you are forgetting some key factors. 1 artist made this in less than a year and while true there is more than that behind the scenes. Getting gear to work with various models takes a bit as well as making sure abilities don't break them, etc.

The main truth is we don't know how much time or people are actually devoted to 1 set of armor. All we can do is guess. We just know how quickly someone makes a 2D image, etc. Since the images only show the front with no movement, sides or backs.

This is specific about concepts/creativity done by 1 artist in less than a year in their spare time, for fun. In reality, these sets would be done by a lot of artists and modelers. So not only would this be done faster but a lot of it would be done in parallel to each other. And artists do not mess with the stats of the gear, stat balancing is no extra work than what is already being done and do not require the visuals of the set to do. Plus they're already doing cosmetic sets with no stats...

Blizzard is also a multi-billion dollar company, they can afford to bring on more people to their biggest cash cow product. The only hang ups this brings is training and cross team communication, things that are the fault of Blizzard's management structure and not of the hiring/labor itself.

Edit: Another thing to add, it didn't actually take them a year to do these, just how much they did over that given time. It would have been less if they were actually doing this as a job instead of just a fun side project.

Originally Posted by Yarathir

Of course Sargeras was afraid of the Old Gods. You don't have to be afraid of somebody's direct physical might to be scared of them.
He was scared of the Old Gods because they could corrupt growing World Souls and turn them into Dark Titans. So yes, he was scared of the Old Gods and what they could do, to the point that he preemptively sliced entire planets in two to avoid any Old God getting to a World Soul.


Literally irrelevant because in 8.3, there are groups with evil intentions that do know about reorigination and plan to very deliberately use it to wipe out life on Azeroth. That means you're going to have to have a serious force guarding it, not WoW's equivalent of the mall cops.

Yes, and Blizzard could've also had Med'an come in and oneshot N'Zoth. See? They set it up, therefore it can't be a bad way to deal with N'Zoth.

Sure technically he was afraid of what an old god could do but other than corrupting a world soul there's literally nothing they could do to frighten/harm him. If I go to a malaria heavy place I may do preventative measures to lower my chances of catching it but I'm not cowering in fear at the sight of mosquitoes especially when I return home where there are billions of them but no chance of getting malaria. I'm scared of what I can catch from them(in certain areas) not the mosquito itself.

We have people dealing with N'Zoth's shit all over the place and it wasn't guarded by mall cops. It's guarded by the people the Titans themselves chose to protect it. If anything its the Horde/Alliance's/players fault for leaving before clearing out every baddie. And at the end the entrance is sealed and we deal with the shit that was set up previous so its not like it keeps getting invaded repeatedly.

Originally Posted by Yarathir

Of course Sargeras was afraid of the Old Gods. You don't have to be afraid of somebody's direct physical might to be scared of them.
He was scared of the Old Gods because they could corrupt growing World Souls and turn them into Dark Titans. So yes, he was scared of the Old Gods and what they could do, to the point that he preemptively sliced entire planets in two to avoid any Old God getting to a World Soul.


Literally irrelevant because in 8.3, there are groups with evil intentions that do know about reorigination and plan to very deliberately use it to wipe out life on Azeroth. That means you're going to have to have a serious force guarding it, not WoW's equivalent of the mall cops.

Yes, and Blizzard could've also had Med'an come in and oneshot N'Zoth. See? They set it up, therefore it can't be a bad way to deal with N'Zoth.

You are trying so hard to remain correct you can’t even see you’re wrong and move on. Multiple people pointed out no deus ex Machina occurred, you still insist even though there are facts being presented.
You stated no forces protect the array in Uldum yet multiple people have pointed out there are, in fact, NPCs protecting it.
The point is, you’re arguing a point that doesn’t exist and has been shown to be wrong. If you don’t like how it was handled, that’s fine. Lots of people dislike the in game cinematic. I liked it, but I think they still should have had a follow up one with fully rendered cutscene involving the characters like they normally do. As for N’zoth, I don’t know how Blizzard have hyped him up for 10 years. Do you say this because he has a cult that have been seen from time to time? So what. That’s not hyping him up, just that he can manipulate people, something he does in the final battle.
I think at this point you just want to argue to keep doing it because you get enjoyment out of it, or you’re just stubborn. No one with actual facts thrown at them would keep arguing like you do unless they are just that insecure they have to keep trying.

On mythic this fight should have been carapace going into last, without a break. Actually decreasing the bosscount on mythic by 1, because you do both fights in one. Ofc without the "secret phase trash mob kill" we got instead.

Originally Posted by Eapoe

You are trying so hard to remain correct you can’t even see you’re wrong and move on. Multiple people pointed out no deus ex Machina occurred, you still insist even though there are facts being presented.
You stated no forces protect the array in Uldum yet multiple people have pointed out there are, in fact, NPCs protecting it.
The point is, you’re arguing a point that doesn’t exist and has been shown to be wrong. If you don’t like how it was handled, that’s fine. Lots of people dislike the in game cinematic. I liked it, but I think they still should have had a follow up one with fully rendered cutscene involving the characters like they normally do. As for N’zoth, I don’t know how Blizzard have hyped him up for 10 years. Do you say this because he has a cult that have been seen from time to time? So what. That’s not hyping him up, just that he can manipulate people, something he does in the final battle.
I think at this point you just want to argue to keep doing it because you get enjoyment out of it, or you’re just stubborn. No one with actual facts thrown at them would keep arguing like you do unless they are just that insecure they have to keep trying.

I think you're projecting a bit, and getting frustrated just because I won't budge to your "nuh uh." Nothing I said is wrong.

There are no serious forces expended to guard the thing that can wipe out all life on Azeroth and is the primary target of more than one faction of enemies in the patch. This is not a goalpost switch, this is pedantry. "Y-yeah technically there were like.. a few mall guards that were around to.. I guess shoo some faceless away. OWNED."

And the facts also remain that there was nothing really done to deal with N'Zoth in a meaningful way. The character loses, but it didn't matter, because in the end, through the power of love and Azeroth, they still get to play their role as an anchor point so that N'Zoth can explode and a 20 second cutscene of him exploding and Ny'alotha disappearing can happen. That's garbage writing and anticlimactic, no matter how you spin it.

N'Zoth has been a presence since at least Cataclysm, arguably earlier-- but Cataclysm is when they officially assigned a name to him, since he was now the primary force steering Deathwing, the Twilight Hammer and everything surrounding it, and since then, there have been plenty of things hinting to him or stuff connected to him, like the puzzle box. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but any halfway decent company would deal with it with more fanfare than what Blizzard did.

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Originally Posted by qwerty123456

Sure technically he was afraid of what an old god could do but other than corrupting a world soul there's literally nothing they could do to frighten/harm him. If I go to a malaria heavy place I may do preventative measures to lower my chances of catching it but I'm not cowering in fear at the sight of mosquitoes especially when I return home where there are billions of them but no chance of getting malaria. I'm scared of what I can catch from them(in certain areas) not the mosquito itself.

We have people dealing with N'Zoth's shit all over the place and it wasn't guarded by mall cops. It's guarded by the people the Titans themselves chose to protect it. If anything its the Horde/Alliance's/players fault for leaving before clearing out every baddie. And at the end the entrance is sealed and we deal with the shit that was set up previous so its not like it keeps getting invaded repeatedly.

Your analogy is nonsense. You know a mafia boss might be physically weaker than you, right? But would you still fear one for factors that aren't direct physical might? Sargeras went on his whole crusade and cut planets in half just on the off chance that they could possess a World Soul and therefore be infected by Old Gods. The Old Gods might not be able to stand up to Sargeras in a physical competition, but Sargeras still fears them and what they can do.

You can diminish this all you want, but it doesn't look favorable when you go "Uhm, actually you're not scared of somebody unless they intimidate you with brute physical strength."

And I was not really throwing out blame towards any in-game group, so I'm not sure why you're talking about fault. I'm saying it's dumb from a story point that there's not at least half an army guarding a place that can wipe out all life on Azeroth. Could be any army, but at least the Alliance and Horde should take some interest in trying to protect it, especially in 8.3, as I said, when it's a clear objective for more than one faction of enemies.

Originally Posted by Yarathir

Your analogy is nonsense. You know a mafia boss might be physically weaker than you, right? But would you still fear one for factors that aren't direct physical might? Sargeras went on his whole crusade and cut planets in half just on the off chance that they could possess a World Soul and therefore be infected by Old Gods. The Old Gods might not be able to stand up to Sargeras in a physical competition, but Sargeras still fears them and what they can do.

You can diminish this all you want, but it doesn't look favorable when you go "Uhm, actually you're not scared of somebody unless they intimidate you with brute physical strength."

And I was not really throwing out blame towards any in-game group, so I'm not sure why you're talking about fault. I'm saying it's dumb from a story point that there's not at least half an army guarding a place that can wipe out all life on Azeroth. Could be any army, but at least the Alliance and Horde should take some interest in trying to protect it, especially in 8.3, as I said, when it's a clear objective for more than one faction of enemies.

My analogy is in no way nonsense and much better than yours as its not the mosquito or old god that could kill a titan but the potential of its "infection". Mafia boss has weapons and underlings and even if they are weaker than you can still do damage to you. Titan's are so beyond Old gods in terms of power that even the void lords who toss old gods around the universe like they are a dime a dozen are jealous of their power. Old gods and mosquitos only have one potential threat to a titan/human. The void lords you could possibly compare to a mafia boss as they are much closer to titans in power (human to human) as well as having minions and can potentially recruit another human(dark titan) to kill you(titan). And thats not even mentioning that the sizes are much more accurate in my comparison as well.

I'm saying we are at fault because we(alliance/horde/heroes) were the ones that went in and just left after clearing a couple guys and left it in the hands of the Tolvir. Horde and Alliance just recently stopped fighting and would have still have bad blood between them which is much easier to manipulate. The entrance has been destroyed and Mother has a connection to it not like there needs to be millions of people protecting it especially when shits going down all over the place.

Originally Posted by qwerty123456

My analogy is in no way nonsense and much better than yours as its not the mosquito or old god that could kill a titan but the potential of its "infection". Mafia boss has weapons and underlings and even if they are weaker than you can still do damage to you. Titan's are so beyond Old gods in terms of power that even the void lords who toss old gods around the universe like they are a dime a dozen are jealous of their power. Old gods and mosquitos only have one potential threat to a titan/human. The void lords you could possibly compare to a mafia boss as they are much closer to titans in power (human to human) as well as having minions and can potentially recruit another human(dark titan) to kill you(titan). And thats not even mentioning that the sizes are much more accurate in my comparison as well.

I'm saying we are at fault because we(alliance/horde/heroes) were the ones that went in and just left after clearing a couple guys and left it in the hands of the Tolvir. Horde and Alliance just recently stopped fighting and would have still have bad blood between them which is much easier to manipulate. The entrance has been destroyed and Mother has a connection to it not like there needs to be millions of people protecting it especially when shits going down all over the place.

If you go around haphazardly destroying planets in fear of another being's capability, even if not their direct physical prowess, then you are afraid of what they are and what they can do.

It's really as simple as that. Sargeras fears them, but not because they can kill him, but because they can bring about a Dark Titan. His whole Legion was built upon this fear (post all of the retcons), and whether you want to regard it or not, it's a fear of what the Old Gods can do.

Well, sure, blame either faction if you want, the point is that it lacked protection for something that is more dangerous than a nuclear missile. I know that's done to facilitate gameplay, but that doesn't make it any less silly.

Originally Posted by Lucetia

How is it not true at all? People hated Ghostcrawler and said as soon as he is removed things will get better. Same is happening with Ion.

People didn't like Ghostcrawlers decisions but he very clearly outlined WHY he was doing them and provided reasoning that made sense. People like Celestalon and

I said nothing at all that remotely even explained the differences. All I said is people wanted Ghostcrawler gone for similar reasons they want Ion gone (ie harming the game).

People said the same about mike morhaime, people said the same about jeff, people said the same about chris met, people said the same about celestion, people said the same about alex A.

people see something they dont like, then choose whoevers name they know and blame them.
its just a cycle.

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Originally Posted by Kathranis

Yes, but I'd argue it's also easier to create something cool when the theme is as narrow as "vulpera monk" or "dark iron shaman." That's very specific and easy to hone in on compared to "Uldir plate" or "Nazjatar cloth."

I think one of the issues with doing sets based on armor type rather than class is that the theme has to become more broad. The tradeoff is you get to do more themes overall, at least ideally. The later content seasons in BFA didn't maintain the unique Warfront/PVP sets that made the tradeoff actually worth it in Seasons 1 and 2. Of course, there's also heritage armor in the mix...

I mean, we can calculate pretty easily the total number of new armor sets added in both expansions:

Legion:

• Demon Hunter Starter + Order Sets x 3
• Quest 1 x 4 Armor Types
• Quest 2 x 4 Armor Types
• Dungeon 1 x 4 Armor Types
• Gladiator x 4 Armor Types
• Season 1 x 12 Classes
• Season 2 x 12 Classes
• Dungeon 2 x 4 Armor Types
• Season 3 x 12 Classes
• Dungeon 3 x 4 Armor Types
• Rare Argus Sets x 2 Armor Types

Battle for Azeroth:

• Horde Quest x 4 Armor Types
• Alliance Quest x 4 Armor Types
• Horde Dungeon x 4 Armor Types
• Alliance Dungeon x 4 Armor Types
• Raid Season 1 x 4 Armor Types
• Horde Season 1 x 4 Armor Types
• Alliance Season 1 x 4 Armor Types
• Raid Season 2 x 4 Armor Types
• Horde Season 2 x 4 Armor Types
• Alliance Season 2 x 4 Armor Types
• Brawler's Guild Set x 1
• Season 3 x 4 Armor Types
• Season 4 x 4 Armor Types
• Heritage Armor x 10 Allied Races
• Heritage Armor x 6 Core Races

Unless I miscounted, BFA has introduced about 65 new sets, while Legion introduced... 65 new sets.

Now, that's not including recolors of old gear like the Order Hall gear in Legion (except for Demon Hunters, which was new) or the Island Expedition gear in BFA. I also grouped pre-purchase gear (DH for Legion, Heritage Armor for BFA, Eternal Traveler for Shadowlands) with their respective expansions.

I'm pretty sure I didn't miss anything, so the two expansions are actually pretty damn comparable when you look at the whole picture.


Edit: I forgot that there were only rare drop Argus sets for plate and cloth. So actually they both seem to have exactly 65 new armor sets, unless I missed some.

Dont forget there is also heritage armor sets, and also there is the different upgraded versions of the warfront/pvp sets.
there was the level 1, level 2, and level 3, of season 1 and 2.

Also you forgot the x4 benthic sets.

Originally Posted by Yarathir

If you go around haphazardly destroying planets in fear of another being's capability, even if not their direct physical prowess, then you are afraid of what they are and what they can do.

It's really as simple as that. Sargeras fears them, but not because they can kill him, but because they can bring about a Dark Titan. His whole Legion was built upon this fear (post all of the retcons), and whether you want to regard it or not, it's a fear of what the Old Gods can do.

Well, sure, blame either faction if you want, the point is that it lacked protection for something that is more dangerous than a nuclear missile. I know that's done to facilitate gameplay, but that doesn't make it any less silly.

Sargeras was driven mad. He also stabbed the shit out of Azeroth even though he wanted to fuck her. He also thought that after he destroyed everything he could remake it. If a dark titan could be created any other way he would destroy that too. Just because Old gods are currently the only known way that possibly happens doesn't mean its a fear of them its of what they could do.