Coming This Reset - Obtaining Rank 3 Essences on Alts
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
As we announced last Thursday, with scheduled weekly maintenance in each region, a new system will allow players who have Rank 3 Azerite essences on at least one character to more directly acquire those Essences on other characters. This will use a new currency called Echoes of Ny’alotha. Here are more details about the system.

If a Rank 3 Essence has been earned by another character on your account, MOTHER will offer that Rank 3 Essence for 500 Echoes of Ny’alotha. Any player who is eligible to purchase at least one Essence from MOTHER will now receive Echoes of Ny’alotha from a wide range of activities in current content. These are the values we’re planning per activity:

  • Black Empire Assault – 125 Echoes of Ny’alotha
  • Aqir/Amathet/Mantid/Mogu Assault – 75 Echoes of Ny’alotha
  • Horrific Visions – 50 Echoes of Ny’alotha, plus 25 per additional objective completed (i.e. 150 Echoes for a full clear)
  • Emissary Quest – 50 Echoes of Ny’alotha
  • Heroic Darkshore Warfront – 75 Echoes of Ny’alotha
  • Normal/Heroic/Mythic Ny’alotha raid bosses – 15-25 Echoes of Ny’alotha each, once per week per boss
  • Ny’alotha Raid Finder wings – 25 Echoes of Ny’alotha
  • Random Battleground wins – 15-25 Echoes of Ny’alotha
  • Rated Arena wins – 10-25 Echoes of Ny’alotha baseline, scaling up with PvP rank
  • Rated Battleground wins – 35 Echoes of Ny’alotha baseline, scaling up with PvP rank
  • Weekly PvP Cache – 175 to 300 Echoes of Ny’alotha, based on PvP rank
  • Mythic Keystone dungeon end-of-run chest – 3 Echoes of Ny’alotha per Keystone Level (i.e. 30 Echoes of Ny’alotha for a Mythic 10)
  • Weekly Mythic Keystone Cache – 20 Echoes of Ny’alotha per highest Keystone Level

The general goal here is that doing Assaults and associated Horrific Visions should provide enough to get at least one Rank 3 Essence of your choice per week. Doing other content you like (PvP, dungeons, or raids) will increase that significantly, depending on the level of content you’re doing. Of course, Essences can still be earned normally via their associated activities, so if you want to get your Essence of the Focusing Iris directly via Mythic Keystone dungeons and then buy others from MOTHER, that’s now an option. Within a couple of weeks of hitting max-level on your alt, you should be able to obtain your preferred Essences by playing the game as you usually would.

Please note: Echoes of Ny’alotha may appear to replace Azerite in the Emissary and PvP reward panes, however, it does not. Echoes of Ny’alotha are always additive with existing rewards. We believe that it is more important to release this update with a reward display issue than hold the change for a fix. We expect to fix the display issue in the next week or two.

We’ve seen discussion in the community wondering about the motivation for this change, especially considering that we previously signaled that we didn’t plan to make Essences account-wide. We’ve increasingly moved towards making cosmetics (mounts, pets, transmog, titles, etc.) and access to content (World Quest unlocks, dungeon attunements, etc.) account-wide, but we’ve tried to keep power (character levels, items, expansion-specific systems like artifacts or garrisons, etc.) character-specific.

We take this approach for two main reasons. First, a core part of the experience of playing an alt has always been gaining power as you see the game from a different vantage point, and setting your sights on a goal, whether that’s just reaching max level, or achieving a certain PvP rank, or raiding at a specific difficulty. Thus, every reward that’s account-wide becomes one fewer goal to strive for on alts. Second, while many players enjoy playing multiple characters, and while having alts offers a number of advantages, we’re wary of making it feel as though focusing on a single main character is objectively the wrong way to play the game. If more power rewards are multiplied across all characters on an account, not having multiple max-level alts would be inefficient.

That philosophy led us to initially decide against having Essences be an account-wide unlock, though it was the topic of significant and repeated internal discussion among the development team. The activities that reward Essences are all things that we believe are important to do at least once so that you become familiar with zones and stories, or to engage in aspects of the game that you may not have had a reason to try. If you are just returning to Battle for Azeroth or experiencing it for the first time, the goal of acquiring all of your Essences will lead you through many aspects of Warcraft’s endgame.

More recently, as we continued to revisit the subject, especially in light of ongoing Shadowlands design, we came to see subsequent playthroughs of the same content for the same player differently. While we still firmly believe that each character should have a progression arc of power gains, the player behind those characters understandably may not want to repeat the exact same arc multiple times when they feel they have exhausted the variety or rewards an activity might hold. So if you’ve thoroughly worked with Nazjatar followers to earn your Rank 3 Memory of Lucid Dreams, or delved into Battlegrounds and Island Expeditions enough to earn Rank 3 Blood of the Enemy, we understand why you might not want to feel required to repeat that experience. This is the same philosophy that’s informing our plans for leveling in Shadowlands, where alts can pick and choose their path through level-up content once you’ve completed the linear narrative experience once on a character.

Thank you again for your patience as we’ve worked through these questions, and for all of your feedback! You’ve helped guide us to these improvements to the system. This is the sort of conversation that we revisit every time we consider how upcoming systems will interact with multiple characters. We hope to get it right more quickly next time.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Coming This Reset - Obtaining Rank 3 Essences on Alts started by Lumy View original post
Comments 43 Comments
  1. Doffen's Avatar
    Seems allright this. Glad I saved all my vision runs on my chars for next reset for the guaranteed corruption. 6-7 runs on each char I think I have spare, thats around two bis essences for each. Couple of weeks of doing content I am doing anyway and I got the essences I need.
  1. Very rare pepe's Avatar
    This is acceptable, not that bad. Thanks blizzard for once, might come back for a month and see how it goes now!
  1. jallfo's Avatar
    It's too little too late for me, I've already decided I'm done with 8.3 for awhile. That said, I am really happy they didn't go a full RNG route here. It's nice to see a deterministic route to get 1-2 a week with not too bad of effort (once you get the m+ caches rolling in)
  1. Sir Riptor's Avatar
    One question I have is what is the use of the Echoes on your main? I already have all rank 3 essences on him so is the currency just useless?
  1. Onikaroshi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Riptor View Post
    One question I have is what is the use of the Echoes on your main? I already have all rank 3 essences on him so is the currency just useless?
    Some currencies just are, maybe make it a goal to see how high you can get it :P
  1. otaXephon's Avatar
    Reminds me a helluva lot of VP. Not complaining but now I can get things I do want (Essences) without having to do content I don't like (those stupid fucking Nazjatar follower dailies). Good change.
  1. EyeOculus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Riptor View Post
    One question I have is what is the use of the Echoes on your main? I already have all rank 3 essences on him so is the currency just useless?
    It states that players which are eligible to buy at least one essence get the the drops. Sounds like you don't get any Echoes if you already have every essence available on your character.
  1. Biomega's Avatar
    Too little too late, I'm afraid.

    It's kind of the same thing that happened with Legiondaries, and I'm not sure I want to reward such design decisions. Do I really want to send the message that it's okay to keep this mindless grind systems in as long as it's fixed at some point after the current expansion has basically been concluded? Don't think so.

    But that's a decision everyone has to make for themselves.
  1. EyeOculus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Do I really want to send the message that it's okay to keep this mindless grind systems in as long as it's fixed at some point after the current expansion has basically been concluded? Don't think so.
    This system is asking one thing from you.
    Play the game.
    It isn't a grind if the resource is gained alongside the normal content you do anyway playing a twink.
  1. glowpipe's Avatar
    Today my guild went on break until shadowlands. We had our last official raid. I can guarantee they wouldn't have if this shit came earlier. We would have focused on alt runs. No one wanted to because of the essence grind and this is simply too late, people quit already.
    Hope blizzard learn their lessons for shadowlands.
  1. Absintheminded's Avatar
    Another currency to farm lol k
  1. Kiwijello's Avatar
    " a new system "

    We don't want new systems. They aren't interesting. Just stop...
  1. Razgard's Avatar
    To be frank, even without considering the technical aspect of the change (which surprised me, cause it seems on the more realistic side, i expected it way grindier), i am glad to see them sharing their thoughts on why they went back on their word, and hope they continue to listen.

    Also, considering how much negative feedback and comments they get, I for one praise them for this change and hope they listen more and adjust quicker to the community feedback.
  1. Dracullus's Avatar
    It's way, way faster that I expected, honestly. And looks like you gain those only if you are eglible to buy any, so it won't be another useless currency in your tab.

    For all people that will complain, I wonder what your prediction was before you saw this blue post.
  1. Doffen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    It's way, way faster that I expected, honestly. And looks like you gain those only if you are eglible to buy any, so it won't be another useless currency in your tab.

    For all people that will complain, I wonder what your prediction was before you saw this blue post.
    Yeah, I expected 1000 for each to be honest. It's a nice surprise. And visions giving so much, doing full clears/masks as it is now anyway on the alts. 3 Visions and a emissary and you have one rank 3 BiS essence. Three more and another emissary, another. Two assaults and mythic 15+ weekly cache with 300, a third and so on.
  1. aceperson's Avatar
    as far as i can tell, it looks like it will take about a week or a little less for a new alt to farm one essence. thats a bit too slow in my book.
  1. Count Zero's Avatar
    Well this is about as good as it could have been. I think it's a good compromise between nothing and just full-on free account-wide essences.
  1. Ielenia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by aceperson View Post
    as far as i can tell, it looks like it will take about a week or a little less for a new alt to farm one essence. thats a bit too slow in my book.
    From the 7 emissaries alone you get in a week, you get 350 echoes. 1 major assault + 2 minor assaults = 275. Just from those, you can get one rank 3 essence, and still have 125 left.

    If you raid normal Ny'alotha, assuming a full clear, nets you from 180 to 300 in a full clear. Assuming worst luck, you'll end up with 305 echoes. Two more full visions clear (150 each), or one full visions clear and one LFR wing clear, and you'll be able to buy a second rank 3 essence.

    Two essences per week is not slow, by any metric.
  1. Lolsteak's Avatar
    Unlocking Essences on alts is a grind so they introduce a grind to avoid the grind?

    Pass
  1. 8bithamster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolsteak View Post
    Unlocking Essences on alts is a grind so they introduce a grind to avoid the grind?

    Pass
    main assault 125
    2x minor assault 150
    2x horrific vision 300
    4x Emissary 200

    + 3 * <M+ level>
    + 20 * <M+ level> in weekly chest

    This is if you take it super casually, so a +10 once a week and doing the above would net you just over 1000 of the currency, which is 2 essences per week!



    How is that as much of a grind as compared to grinding follower xp or rep?

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