WoW Classic - Burning Crusade Official Blizzard Survey
Yesterday, players on Reddit began reporting that they received an official survey from Blizzard asking questions about a hypothetical Burning Crusade Classic Server. The questions asked are listed below. Thanks to soramac on the classicwow subreddit for the photo!

  • How interested are you in a "Classic" version of Burning Crusade?
  • Thinking about the potential ways a player could start a character in "Classic" Burning Crusade, which of the following would you prefer most?
    • Continue playing my current Classic character on my existing server as it progresses to the Burning Crusade expansion, with the option to transfer to a Classic server that will never progress past level 60.
    • Continue playing my current Classic character on my existing server that will never progress past 60, with the option to transfer to a Burning Crusade server.
    • Start a brand new character from Level 58 on a new Burning Crusade server.
    • Start a brand new character from Level 1 on a new Burning Crusade server.
    • None of the above




Diablo Community Manager Brandy Camel Leaving Blizzard
Diablo Community Manager Brandy Camel, also known as Nevalistis, is leaving Blizzard to take on the role of Dungeons and Dragons Community Manager at Wizards of the Coast! We wish her all the best!

Originally Posted by blizzard (Blue Tracker)
This is, undoubtedly, one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to write. Not gonna lie, it took me a few tries.

March 27, 2020 will be my final day as Diablo Community Manager, and at Blizzard Entertainment. I’m not leaving for any ill reasons; my team here has always been understanding and kind, every developer I’ve had the honor of interacting with has been delightfully passionate, and the decision to leave was ultimately mine alone. I have an opportunity to explore a new and very different adventure, and if you’re curious about that, I’ll share more about it on my personal channels. Sometimes, opportunity presents itself and you just gotta roll the dice.

What I want to focus on is expressing my gratitude to this community. For welcoming me when I stumbled in at the announcement of Reaper of Souls. For making me feel at home as I was trembling on livestream, fighting stage fright while introducing the expansion to the world. For all the smiles, high-fives, hugs, and selfies at conventions (especially BlizzCon). For the absolute conviction and passion for Sanctuary that I see in every player’s post, whether it’s excitement over the latest Season or constructive criticism for your favorite class. Regardless of highs and lows, this is one of the best communities out there, and the heart of it is warm, caring, and filled with people who just want more Diablo.

Thank you for permitting me to be a part of your community. Thank you for reading my weird blogs and tolerating my terrible puns and memes. And thank you for staying awhile to listen. I’ve had an incredible opportunity learn and grow as person that I’ll carry with me the rest of my life, and I can’t wait to delve the depths of the Burning Hells and face down the mother of Sanctuary alongside the rest of you.

Lastly, rest assured that the Diablo community will be left in good hands. I’ve spent a fair amount of my final weeks here preparing to pass the torch to those who will follow in my footsteps and working with the team here to ensure the transition is as smooth as possible. You won’t be left unheard or unacknowledged, but please be understanding while the next folks get settled in. We’re all here to battle the demons of Hell together, after all!

I’ll see you in Sanctuary, adventurers.

DLC#719
DLC #719 has been released!

This article was originally published in forum thread: Burning Crusade Blizzard Survey, Brandy Camel Leaves Blizzard started by Stoy View original post
Comments 189 Comments
  1. Darkiguan's Avatar
    I think the best thing that could happen is having BC and WotLK since they've been successful....and then taking another path (kinda Multiverse theory). No more Cataclysm....just a new path that fits more with the classic version. They have 15 years of experience, surveys, complaints. It's been a huge laboratory...I think they could make two different WoWs. Retail could continue to grow its way and Classic another way. That way, they'll have best of both world....
  1. DarkBlade6's Avatar
    Keep my Classic character with the option to COPY my character to a TBC server.
  1. Edlarel's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkBlade6 View Post
    Keep my Classic character with the option to COPY my character to a TBC server.
    I like this option, but they would have to implement a way to only ever copy the character once, and that could be more work than they want to put into the system.
  1. Appelgren's Avatar
    Cant wait for Classic BFA.
  1. Synical123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Appelgren View Post
    Cant wait for Classic BFA.
    They will stop where the money stops. AKA wotlk
  1. WernerCD's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jellmoo View Post
    The problem with that line of thinking is that it means nothing ever changes. Yes, if they introduce something new it may change the status quo. But if a product (in this case Classic) has such a weak grip on the entirety of its playerbase that TBC strips it away, then it was an incredibly weak and tenuous grip to begin with.

    I think the issue is that this sort of line of thinking doesn't take into account the option of people not playing WoW at all. People leaving the game completely. Multiple game types (Retail, Classic, TBC) will absolutely split the playerbase, but at the same time, a split playerbase is still a better one that people leaving altogether because they are unable to play what they want.
    "The problem with that line of thinking is that it means nothing ever changes" That's the exact opposite of my line of thinking and the post I made...

    My line of thinking is "even if they change nothing, Classic will die" because a static game - generally - is a game that will lose people over time.

    It's like you literally didn't read my post? You: "that this sort of line of thinking doesn't take into account the option of people not playing WoW at all" My post LITERALLY talks about WoW turning into ghost towns. It's right there in your quote of my post. Hint: Ghost towns occur because people leave.

    My point is simple: No matter what they do - whether keeping it as is or releasing expansions or anything in between - it will affect Classic. Release TBC Classic? It'll affect Classic. Do nothing? It'll affect classic.

    Maybe the community can handle a half a dozen Classic Servers locked at 60 and post Naxx... I don't think it can. Those servers will get bored of Naxx, AB and AV and eventually die off. Maybe their can be progression servers where Classic get reset every couple of years with "changes"? Different time tables? Different settings other than "classic" classic? Maybe current classic gets upgraded to TBC and a few servers of Classic start over from 0? SO many options...

    I think it's going to be interesting and fun to see what they do... BUT they don't have the option of "doing nothing after Naxx" because that WILL end in dead classic servers. Which is the exact opposite point you say I made.
  1. FelPlague's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kinjin View Post
    I shudder to think how bad it is at Blizzard right now if you would rather be a Dungeons and Dragons Community Manager at Wizards of the Coast.
    what?
    Working with THE wizards of the coast, is like THE DREAM for SO MANY people, thats D&D ffs.
    Who cares about diablo, when you got fucking D&D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edlarel View Post
    I like this option, but they would have to implement a way to only ever copy the character once, and that could be more work than they want to put into the system.
    no it wouldnt... it is super simple...
    cause idk if you know, but when you server transfer they make a copy of your character, then delete the old one.
    its not some huge super hard thing to make sure you can only transfer each character once.

    A great way to do it would be to just use their systems already in.
    when you transfer a charecter it is marked as having transferred, meaning it can NEVER transfer again, just like ow back in the day once a charecter was server changed, it got marked with a X month cooldown.
    instead they would make the cooldown FOREVER.
  1. jellmoo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by WernerCD View Post
    "The problem with that line of thinking is that it means nothing ever changes" That's the exact opposite of my line of thinking and the post I made...

    My line of thinking is "even if they change nothing, Classic will die" because a static game - generally - is a game that will lose people over time.

    It's like you literally didn't read my post? You: "that this sort of line of thinking doesn't take into account the option of people not playing WoW at all" My post LITERALLY talks about WoW turning into ghost towns. It's right there in your quote of my post. Hint: Ghost towns occur because people leave.

    My point is simple: No matter what they do - whether keeping it as is or releasing expansions or anything in between - it will affect Classic. Release TBC Classic? It'll affect Classic. Do nothing? It'll affect classic.

    Maybe the community can handle a half a dozen Classic Servers locked at 60 and post Naxx... I don't think it can. Those servers will get bored of Naxx, AB and AV and eventually die off. Maybe their can be progression servers where Classic get reset every couple of years with "changes"? Different time tables? Different settings other than "classic" classic? Maybe current classic gets upgraded to TBC and a few servers of Classic start over from 0? SO many options...

    I think it's going to be interesting and fun to see what they do... BUT they don't have the option of "doing nothing after Naxx" because that WILL end in dead classic servers. Which is the exact opposite point you say I made.
    Oh it's entirely possible that I misunderstood your point, stranger things have happened. My apologies.

    I'm not entirely certain that I agree with your assessment though, since this was always a known quantity. With a finite amount of content, some people will only stay for so long. I have to believe that this was planned from the get go. I doubt that the current number of servers is ultimately sustainable, but I do think that a core group of servers can definitely continue to thrive. While PVE content is essentially finite, PVP could definitely continue to thrive. Also those that care more for the ambiance of Classic will stick around even if all raid content is trivialized.

    I think the interesting thing here is that Blizzard actually has quite a few options to play with, and given their questionnaire they seem very well aware. Ultimately though, my point is that I hate the argument of "I don't want something to be implemented on the off chance that it may somehow inconvenience me", especially when it comes to a major feature that quite a few people are asking for, and doubly so when what you fear is bound to occur regardless.
  1. Gallahadd's Avatar
    Honestly... Once was enough of Classic for me. I'd probably come back for TBC and 100% come back for WLK, if they released them though!
  1. Highelf's Avatar
    Whatever options lets me stay at Classic without that content and items getting worthless in the first TBC dungeon. That's why I didn't play BC when it came out.
  1. Synical123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Highelf View Post
    Whatever options lets me stay at Classic without that content and items getting worthless in the first TBC dungeon. That's why I didn't play BC when it came out.
    You missed out on the best version of WoW my friend
  1. Highelf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    You missed out on the best version of WoW my friend
    Eh, the lore and story is terrible which is big for me and I've never been a fan of flying. But classes were in a good spot. The questing is more of the same for the most part. The zones are meh, nothing really stands out for me.
  1. GreenJesus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by cozzri View Post
    Actually, Titan is Destiny; why do you think it was in the blizzard launcher?
    Actually Call of duty is Titan. Why do you think it was in the blizzard launcher?
  1. Synical123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Highelf View Post
    Eh, the lore and story is terrible which is big for me and I've never been a fan of flying. But classes were in a good spot. The questing is more of the same for the most part. The zones are meh, nothing really stands out for me.
    I hear people say the lore was bad whenever they bring up tbc and quite frankly I don't understand it. At the time, the story was great. I'm curious how vanilla had better lore? Yeah, don't get me wrong, vanilla at the time was a fucking blast, especially just seeing a lot of places you already knew come to life in a way, but the story wasn't really anything to gasp at by any means...
  1. Queendom's Avatar
    As much as I liked TBC in days of glory, I have absolutely no intent to play it.
    PvE will be as dumb as Classic (or even dumbed since more people actually played TBC and know what to do, might even click the cube on Maggi),
    and if you want Arena, there are places that exist since Cata.
  1. Highelf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    I hear people say the lore was bad whenever they bring up tbc and quite frankly I don't understand it. At the time, the story was great. I'm curious how vanilla had better lore? Yeah, don't get me wrong, vanilla at the time was a fucking blast, especially just seeing a lot of places you already knew come to life in a way, but the story wasn't really anything to gasp at by any means...
    I won't go in to how TBC is generally accepted as to having bad lore and story. Vanilla had the luxury of riding of some familiarities like you said of WC3 but they still developed some nice ones that didn't retcon or not make any sense or turn characters in to loot pinatas.
  1. Synical123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Highelf View Post
    I won't go in to how TBC is generally accepted as to having bad lore and story. Vanilla had the luxury of riding of some familiarities like you said of WC3 but they still developed some nice ones that didn't retcon or not make any sense or turn characters in to loot pinatas.
    I mean... one of the four horseman was a loot piñata in vanilla, and what exactly was retconed during tbcs lifetime? I’m not speaking about what’s retconned now I’m talking at that time. Is just all the things I here people say about the lore in tbc just sounds like what you said. Doesn’t really seem to make sense and the things mentioned can also be used against vanilla
  1. Will's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Doomchicken View Post
    Considering how quickly classic has dropped in player numbers is it really worth doing this again with burning crusade? It's not going to be any better in terms of player retention.
    You really don't understand how a business works, do you? Or economics of video games?

    Blizzard made a killing from Classic. Even if everyone had left classic after 1 day, the numbers of re-subscribing (returning) players made the project more than profitable.

    If TBC servers get another crazy surge, it'll be also worth it.

    They don't give a rats ass if retention drops to 1/10th after a week. They've pocketed that money from all those players renewing their game time to check out Classic.
  1. Synical123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    You really don't understand how a business works, do you? Or economics of video games?

    Blizzard made a killing from Classic. Even if everyone had left classic after 1 day, the numbers of re-subscribing (returning) players made the project more than profitable.

    If TBC servers get another crazy surge, it'll be also worth it.

    They don't give a rats ass if retention drops to 1/10th after a week. They've pocketed that money from all those players renewing their game time to check out Classic.
    Especially because the framework is already layed out for them, it’s literally free money. I mean we can do some simple math, classic brought in 233% (or something) increase in new subs to wow. Let’s just say lowest number you could guess and say retail had 1mil subs. That means classic, day number one, made 35 million in the first month, obviously it was WAY higher than this because there is probably more people than that and the community is still big. We all know these numbers stayed pretty freakin high for a couple months considering q times took quite a long time to go down even when they allowed more players in.

    Now tbc is basically made for them and getting a number even close to that amount is a no freakin brainer. Anyone thinking they were going to do anything other than release tbc after classic is kidding themselves. Or they just don’t understand simple math and business
  1. Gravity2015's Avatar
    good riddance

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