WoW Classic - Burning Crusade Official Blizzard Survey
Yesterday, players on Reddit began reporting that they received an official survey from Blizzard asking questions about a hypothetical Burning Crusade Classic Server. The questions asked are listed below. Thanks to soramac on the classicwow subreddit for the photo!

  • How interested are you in a "Classic" version of Burning Crusade?
  • Thinking about the potential ways a player could start a character in "Classic" Burning Crusade, which of the following would you prefer most?
    • Continue playing my current Classic character on my existing server as it progresses to the Burning Crusade expansion, with the option to transfer to a Classic server that will never progress past level 60.
    • Continue playing my current Classic character on my existing server that will never progress past 60, with the option to transfer to a Burning Crusade server.
    • Start a brand new character from Level 58 on a new Burning Crusade server.
    • Start a brand new character from Level 1 on a new Burning Crusade server.
    • None of the above




Diablo Community Manager Brandy Camel Leaving Blizzard
Diablo Community Manager Brandy Camel, also known as Nevalistis, is leaving Blizzard to take on the role of Dungeons and Dragons Community Manager at Wizards of the Coast! We wish her all the best!

Originally Posted by blizzard (Blue Tracker)
This is, undoubtedly, one of the hardest things I’ve ever had to write. Not gonna lie, it took me a few tries.

March 27, 2020 will be my final day as Diablo Community Manager, and at Blizzard Entertainment. I’m not leaving for any ill reasons; my team here has always been understanding and kind, every developer I’ve had the honor of interacting with has been delightfully passionate, and the decision to leave was ultimately mine alone. I have an opportunity to explore a new and very different adventure, and if you’re curious about that, I’ll share more about it on my personal channels. Sometimes, opportunity presents itself and you just gotta roll the dice.

What I want to focus on is expressing my gratitude to this community. For welcoming me when I stumbled in at the announcement of Reaper of Souls. For making me feel at home as I was trembling on livestream, fighting stage fright while introducing the expansion to the world. For all the smiles, high-fives, hugs, and selfies at conventions (especially BlizzCon). For the absolute conviction and passion for Sanctuary that I see in every player’s post, whether it’s excitement over the latest Season or constructive criticism for your favorite class. Regardless of highs and lows, this is one of the best communities out there, and the heart of it is warm, caring, and filled with people who just want more Diablo.

Thank you for permitting me to be a part of your community. Thank you for reading my weird blogs and tolerating my terrible puns and memes. And thank you for staying awhile to listen. I’ve had an incredible opportunity learn and grow as person that I’ll carry with me the rest of my life, and I can’t wait to delve the depths of the Burning Hells and face down the mother of Sanctuary alongside the rest of you.

Lastly, rest assured that the Diablo community will be left in good hands. I’ve spent a fair amount of my final weeks here preparing to pass the torch to those who will follow in my footsteps and working with the team here to ensure the transition is as smooth as possible. You won’t be left unheard or unacknowledged, but please be understanding while the next folks get settled in. We’re all here to battle the demons of Hell together, after all!

I’ll see you in Sanctuary, adventurers.

DLC#719
DLC #719 has been released!

This article was originally published in forum thread: Burning Crusade Blizzard Survey, Brandy Camel Leaves Blizzard started by Stoy View original post
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  1. Will's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Doomchicken View Post
    Considering how quickly classic has dropped in player numbers is it really worth doing this again with burning crusade? It's not going to be any better in terms of player retention.
    You really don't understand how a business works, do you? Or economics of video games?

    Blizzard made a killing from Classic. Even if everyone had left classic after 1 day, the numbers of re-subscribing (returning) players made the project more than profitable.

    If TBC servers get another crazy surge, it'll be also worth it.

    They don't give a rats ass if retention drops to 1/10th after a week. They've pocketed that money from all those players renewing their game time to check out Classic.
  1. Synical123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    You really don't understand how a business works, do you? Or economics of video games?

    Blizzard made a killing from Classic. Even if everyone had left classic after 1 day, the numbers of re-subscribing (returning) players made the project more than profitable.

    If TBC servers get another crazy surge, it'll be also worth it.

    They don't give a rats ass if retention drops to 1/10th after a week. They've pocketed that money from all those players renewing their game time to check out Classic.
    Especially because the framework is already layed out for them, it’s literally free money. I mean we can do some simple math, classic brought in 233% (or something) increase in new subs to wow. Let’s just say lowest number you could guess and say retail had 1mil subs. That means classic, day number one, made 35 million in the first month, obviously it was WAY higher than this because there is probably more people than that and the community is still big. We all know these numbers stayed pretty freakin high for a couple months considering q times took quite a long time to go down even when they allowed more players in.

    Now tbc is basically made for them and getting a number even close to that amount is a no freakin brainer. Anyone thinking they were going to do anything other than release tbc after classic is kidding themselves. Or they just don’t understand simple math and business
  1. Gravity2015's Avatar
    good riddance
  1. Veggie50's Avatar
    To me, the best option would be;

    Allow classic characters to be copied over to a tbc realm (copied, not transfered).

    To this I would add, that I would like there to be some strict limitations. Like, no more than 100g per char, no mail and just 1 bank tab, or something similar. This will make it so new players (or less wealthy players) dont enter a ruined economy.

    The idea of letting new players start at 58 has no appeal for me. I believe this could be as big an economy wrecker as having people transfer in with 10k gold. However, if this is limited to 1 char per realm, I could live with it.

    Any option is good rly, depending on their fine print.
  1. Festisio's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    To me, the best option would be;

    To this I would add, that I would like there to be some strict limitations. Like, no more than 100g per char, no mail and just 1 bank tab, or something similar.
    Spoken like a true pauper.

    That would piss off more of the player base than it would appease.
  1. erifwodahs's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    I hear people say the lore was bad whenever they bring up tbc and quite frankly I don't understand it. At the time, the story was great. I'm curious how vanilla had better lore? Yeah, don't get me wrong, vanilla at the time was a fucking blast, especially just seeing a lot of places you already knew come to life in a way, but the story wasn't really anything to gasp at by any means...
    TBC was bad ass, but lore wise it was... People love these - let's make them into bosses! Someone like Arthas was built and created in w3 and wotlk. Ilidan got redeemed a bit in legion but Vashj and Kaelthas were thrown into raids with some no names because *insert random dumb reason* (IT's JUST COOOL TO FIGHT HIM!). What I mean.. there was no real reasonable transformation for them to be baddies except for "oh btw, Kaelthas is now a Burning Legion bitch so kill him"
  1. Synical123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by erifwodahs View Post
    TBC was bad ass, but lore wise it was... People love these - let's make them into bosses! Someone like Arthas was built and created in w3 and wotlk. Ilidan got redeemed a bit in legion but Vashj and Kaelthas were thrown into raids with some no names because *insert random dumb reason* (IT's JUST COOOL TO FIGHT HIM!). What I mean.. there was no real reasonable transformation for them to be baddies except for "oh btw, Kaelthas is now a Burning Legion bitch so kill him"
    I mean, the sunwell Kael doesn’t make sense I’ll give you that, but did you play it wc3 at all? You know they aren’t just thrown in as bad guys for no reason lol. They were working together with illidan of which was considered bad at the time. Not sure how that’s so hard to understand why they were considered ‘bad’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    To me, the best option would be;

    Allow classic characters to be copied over to a tbc realm (copied, not transfered).

    To this I would add, that I would like there to be some strict limitations. Like, no more than 100g per char, no mail and just 1 bank tab, or something similar. This will make it so new players (or less wealthy players) dont enter a ruined economy.

    The idea of letting new players start at 58 has no appeal for me. I believe this could be as big an economy wrecker as having people transfer in with 10k gold. However, if this is limited to 1 char per realm, I could live with it.

    Any option is good rly, depending on their fine print.
    I agree with the gold, I agree with the mail, I don’t agree with the bank tabs. Just because, there are a lot of cool little things I have in my bank that I like to keep stashed so I understand why this would be bad. And anything hoarded in classic won’t be of any value once tbc hits.

    And the level 58 thing was sort of weird to me as well, although I wouldn’t personally (and selfishly I might add) like it, I understand what they are going for 100% and honestly would be completely fine if it was just one character.

    This is what I think they are doing... If tbc hits, there IS going to be a sizeable population that comes to tbc that didn’t want to play classic. I know a ton of people in this category. And I won’t lie, if I were to be in their position and REALLY REALLY REALLY want to play tbc but because I didn’t want to play classic I’m now a month or two behind, that would make the hype a little less big.

    Starting at 58 (at least one char) could have a REAL nice potential to get a big population up and keep it there for longer. So I understand why they would be looking at this option. And honestly I would be ok with it.
  1. Unholyground's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    To me, the best option would be;

    Allow classic characters to be copied over to a tbc realm (copied, not transfered).

    To this I would add, that I would like there to be some strict limitations. Like, no more than 100g per char, no mail and just 1 bank tab, or something similar. This will make it so new players (or less wealthy players) dont enter a ruined economy.

    The idea of letting new players start at 58 has no appeal for me. I believe this could be as big an economy wrecker as having people transfer in with 10k gold. However, if this is limited to 1 char per realm, I could live with it.

    Any option is good rly, depending on their fine print.
    One character copy per faction per account, all other characters start at one. That is the best way to keep the economies intact and prevent abuse without them having to do a bunch of restrictions on what you can bring.
  1. erifwodahs's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    I mean, the sunwell Kael doesn’t make sense I’ll give you that, but did you play it wc3 at all? You know they aren’t just thrown in as bad guys for no reason lol. They were working together with illidan of which was considered bad at the time. Not sure how that’s so hard to understand why they were considered ‘bad’
    .
    I did. Kaelthas was not "bad", they were exiled and as a player you actually rooted for them in W3 because humans were being aholes. In outland they were killing demons. They killed Maevs forces because she was crazy pursuing Ilidan. And what Ilidan did during wota and during legion invasion in w3 was ok. It's just night elfs crazy scared of arcane. You could have easily allied Kaelthas and Ilidan in TBC as you Orcs allied with trolls - common enemy, legion. What we did instead we went into outland to kill "the bad" Ilidan. Why?
  1. Synical123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by erifwodahs View Post
    I did. Kaelthas was not "bad", they were exiled and as a player you actually rooted for them in W3 because humans were being aholes. In outland they were killing demons. They killed Maevs forces because she was crazy pursuing Ilidan. And what Ilidan did during wota and during legion invasion in w3 was ok. It's just night elfs crazy scared of arcane. You could have easily allied Kaelthas and Ilidan in TBC as you Orcs allied with trolls - common enemy, legion. What we did instead we went into outland to kill "the bad" Ilidan. Why?
    Yeah everything you just said points exactly why he would turn into a villain LOL. Also, whats the fascination with people only wanting villains to be this all bad never good characters? That's boring, that's why people loved Arthas so much, he was a good guy, he did what he thought was good for his people and went mad over trying to defeat malganis. He isn't really 'all' evil.

    Same thing with Illidan. From the start he was an enemy/good guy. We had common enemies, but the nightelves deemed him to be dangerous and a 'beast'. He went into outland to fight the burning legion and overthrow them (this is the story during tbc). We thought he was trying to gain an army and enslave the locals there so he had to be dealt with. What you're saying just doesn't make much sense for why you don't understand how this could happen. We screwed him over in wc3 time and time again, he helped us and we still treated him like a tool and warned him to basically just stay the fuck away. If you're upset with the story, it started in WC3 and that's what you should be upset about. TBC just continued on the path that these characters progressions were leading towards.

    As for Kael, yeah it's the perfect story (just like literally every. single. villain. in. warcraft.), he was once on our side, got fucked over or driven mad, and allied with Illidan which at the time we thought was 'bad', and went to outland (with the burning legions command) to take over that world to defeat arthas. Which at the time, the humans/elves/the players character didn't know this was what he was going to do.

    I'm just convinced you guys didn't pay much attention to the story in WC3 because it makes perfect sense.

    Honestly, I would just watch videos like this if you are bored, it makes way more sense

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEi0z3Bdd8M
  1. Izzy77's Avatar
    good job!
    I'm just convinced you guys didn't pay much attention to the story in WC3 because it makes perfect sense.
  1. Highelf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    I mean... one of the four horseman was a loot piñata in vanilla, and what exactly was retconed during tbcs lifetime? I’m not speaking about what’s retconned now I’m talking at that time. Is just all the things I here people say about the lore in tbc just sounds like what you said. Doesn’t really seem to make sense and the things mentioned can also be used against vanilla
    Not at all.
  1. Onikaroshi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    One character copy per faction per account, all other characters start at one. That is the best way to keep the economies intact and prevent abuse without them having to do a bunch of restrictions on what you can bring.
    Nah, that sounds horrible.

    Make us transfer, I don't want to leave my 60s behind though, I went into TBC with all my 60s, would rather do it here too. If I don't get to take over my characters I'm not going to play (unless they opt for free 58s, that'd be fine)
  1. Lawzen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Starfals View Post
    No thanks, i was up for the classic one cuz well.. that's how it all started. It was the one i (and most people) remember the least cuz it was soo many years ago. TBC is the one i remember the most, that and Wrath. It was the peak in WoW player base too. So most people know about it and its much more recent. If they make TBC, I'm afraid it might kill off classic or drastically reduce its numbers. Everyone in my guild is already talking how they will leave for TBC.. i guess classic was never meant to last long.

    Shame. This is why private servers are golden. You find some expansion and you stick with it. If you give the option to go forth, most people take it and leave the old thing behind. The few that stay will have a bad experience cuz the game is an MMO. You just need the people.

    Oh well, it was good while it lasted I guess. I thought it might last much longer but alas.. probably not.
    No s***. Vanilla is massively subpar compared to TBC.
  1. Synical123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Highelf View Post
    Not at all.
    Standard comment on this topic.

    “Hey look at these examples and storylines that sort of make what you said, make no sense”

    “No”
  1. Highelf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    Standard comment on this topic.

    “Hey look at these examples and storylines that sort of make what you said, make no sense”

    “No”
    your examples only exist through YOUR lense. Standard reply to a standard statement.
  1. Synical123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Highelf View Post
    your examples only exist through YOUR lense. Standard reply to a standard statement.
    No they don’t. Everything I said is literally events that happened and were current during the time of tbc and wc3 I didn’t say a single thing that’s opinion based.

    The poster above mentioned it didn’t make sense to make these guys ‘bad’ guys when they were 100% already considered bad guys by the alliance (and horde technically).

    If you dislike that story, that’s fine. But the problem didn’t start in tbc, this is where it was heading through wc3. Full stop. Not an opinion
  1. Highelf's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lawzen View Post
    No s***. Vanilla is massively subpar compared to TBC.
    completely disagree. but you do you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synical123 View Post
    No they don’t. Everything I said is literally events that happened and were current during the time of tbc and wc3 I didn’t say a single thing that’s opinion based.

    The poster above mentioned it didn’t make sense to make these guys ‘bad’ guys when they were 100% already considered bad guys by the alliance (and horde technically).

    If you dislike that story, that’s fine. But the problem didn’t start in tbc, this is where it was heading through wc3. Full stop. Not an opinion
    The story and lore in TBC are very weak and kind of come out of no where in times.
  1. Synical123's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Highelf View Post
    completely disagree. but you do you

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    The story and lore in TBC are very weak and kind of come out of no where in times.
    What does this mean? Give me a specific example so I can actually discuss your claims. This is exactly what I’m talking about, your arguments come out of nowhere and don’t make sense as well.
  1. Cracked's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Highelf View Post
    completely disagree. but you do you

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    The story and lore in TBC are very weak and kind of come out of no where in times.
    Whereas the story in vanilla doesn't come out of nowhere at all.. let's be honest, the story in wow until Cata was very pocketed. It created a nice picture if you look at it together but the narrative has always been a weak point.

    That said, I don't think lore is weak in tbc.. AT ALL. Just pay attention to it, the details in Karazhan, TK or Black Temple are amazing as far as individual stories go.

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