Targeted Corruptions and Faster Cloak Empowerment - Now Live
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
All players in this region (Americas and Oceania) should now be seeing Echoes of Ny’alotha dropping at 5x the previous rate, for all characters who have the Legendary cloak, as well as faster steps to Rank up the cloak.

As previously stated, we’re working on bringing the Contaminants items to their vendor (MOTHER), and while we don’t yet have an exact time when that’s going to happen, it could be in the next day or two.

Targeted Corruptions and Faster Cloak Empowerment

We’re working on an update to the game that we expect to roll out in the coming week. We plan to make improvements to the process of obtaining Corrupted items on max-level characters and also streamline upgrading the legendary cloak Ashjra’kamas.

Our goal with this update is to speed up the power progression of new level 120 characters, while giving established endgame players more agency in pursuing the Corruption effects they most desire.

More Echoes
In our last update, we added Echoes of Ny’alotha, a new currency available from most Visions of N’Zoth content, which can be used to directly purchase Rank 3 Essences that have already been unlocked on a different character. We plan to expand the availability and purpose of this new currency. Now, once any character completes the legendary cloak questline, they will immediately begin earning Echoes of Ny’alotha from all of the usual sources.

Echoes of Ny’alotha will be much more abundant than before. As we expand the usefulness of Echoes of Ny’alotha, we want to ensure that players who haven’t felt the need to accumulate them don’t feel disadvantaged, so we will be increasing both the droprates of Echoes and their costs by a factor of 5. This means that when these changes take effect, a Major Assault will award 625 Echoes, up from 125. The cost to purchase an Essence will also increase by the same factor, from 500 to 2500 Echoes.

If you are planning to purchase a Rank 3 Essence with Echoes of Ny’alotha that you’ve already earned, you should do so now, before these costs change.

Improving Ashjra’kamas
We’re also reducing the requirements for any quest step in upgrading the cloak from Ranks 1 to 15 that previously required multiple Horrific Visions. Each Rank can now be achieved in a single Horrific Vision. For example, upgrading your Rank 13 cloak to Rank 14 will now require 2 Torn Pages of “The Final Truth” (was 6), so if you’re currently in possession of 2 or more pages, you’ll turn them all in and immediately complete that quest. The following quest to upgrade from Rank 14 to 15 will then require that you go get 2 more new Torn Pages (was 8).

The requirements for further minor upgrades to the cloak after Rank 15 with Malefic Cores have not been changed.

MOTHER will also offer Vessels of Horrific Visions in exchange for Echoes of Ny’alotha, providing an additional source of access to Horrific Visions that does not require completion of Assaults.

Choosing Your Corruption
In addition to any unlocked Essences, MOTHER will now also offer several new Preserved Contaminants, which allow for a specific Corruption effect (and the associated Corruption penalty) to be applied to a selected item. The inventory of available Preserved Contaminants will change twice each week, mirroring the Assault cadence, and will cycle through all available Corruption effects at various levels of potency.

You can use a Preserved Contaminant to apply the Corruption you purchased to any uncorrupted item that can be Corrupted, much like an enchant. Here are some sample costs for MOTHER’s updated offerings:

Item - Cost (Echoes of Ny’alotha)
  • Vessel of Horrific Visions - 1750
  • Rank 3 Essence - 2500
  • Masterful I - 3000
  • Siphoner I - 4250
  • Twilight Devastation I - 6250
  • Siphoner II - 6300
  • Ineffable Truth II - 6750
  • Racing Pulse III - 7875
  • Echoing Void III - 12000
  • Twilight Devastation III - 15000

Important Notes
We highly suggest that you purchase any Rank 3 Essences that you want and can afford as soon as possible.

Due to a technical limitation, items that have been cleansed cannot be re-corrupted. We are looking into whether it will be possible to fix this, but we don’t want to hold up the whole system in the meantime.

All of the previous ways that Corrupted items and Vessels can be acquired are still in place. The changes above are meant to supplement those sources and provide you with more options and control in pursuing your goals.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Targeted Corruptions and Faster Cloak Empowerment started by chaud View original post
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  1. Vinictus's Avatar
    Great, so people who don't have alts wont collect any
  1. Raelbo's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pratt View Post
    So rank 3 essences won't actually be easier to acquire?
    Not as a result of this change, no. But a lot of them have become easier over time as we've become better geared.

    I don't think it was ever really a problem that any of them was too hard to acquire, so much as that repeating the process for each alt was just a pain - an issue that they solved with the Echoes of Nya'Lotha already.
  1. neik's Avatar
    One very tangible way to play the game.

    It's a win-win situation and I love it.
  1. Jasper Kazai's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Athulua View Post
    That does not answer my question.

    Until that point i was getting ZERO echoes of ny'alotha because I don't run any alts. I just play my main toon and was not receiving anything.

    Will i start getting them starting tomorrow?
    It technically does answer your question, but you just don't know it because you don't know what they are.
    Echoes were gained from doing world quest emissaries, assaults, visions, raiding, battlegrounds, Mythic+, etc. You, as someone who only plays one character, did not get any because their only purpose up until now was to buy catch-up rank 3 essences for alts (or for characters that had multiple specs and you had a rank 3 of let's say a tank essence on some other character). So, it didn't give you any because it served no purpose. Most people who don't switch around mains were also not getting them on their mains. But now, everyone will be getting them. "We plan to expand the availability and purpose of this new currency. Now, once any character completes the legendary cloak questline, they will immediately begin earning Echoes of Ny’alotha from all of the usual sources." That means everyone.
    So just do all the things, pretty much. Emissaries, assaults, raid, etc.
  1. Tojara's Avatar
    There's a couple shitty things about this, namely that it should've been part of the core patch months ago. The values could've been altered greatly to make it 'harder' to get, but the core of the system is welcome to say the least. Perhaps they drew this up on a white board months prior to the patch releasing with full intentions of dripping easier acquisition methods, curbing RnG and making it easier for alts to catch up. Or perhaps they're actually ignorant and come up with shit on the fly that sounds good. Regardless, timing is everything and if you're playing the game and didn't plan on stopping it's a welcome change. Not sure how people can argue otherwise, it's literally what people wanted and you're getting it. If you take the theory that they've been stringing us along in an attempt to prolong subs between the expansion end, then carry on. I'll point out however that they've been doing systems like this at the end of an expansion since MoP though.

    Echoes as a resource should've been core at the start of 8.3 though with catch up for alts and targeted corruptions for others. It kind of sucks that my main gets a little fucked by having R3 of all essences (which means I never got any echoes for playing the game for the past 3 1/2 months), while others who have R3 essences on different characters will have a bit of a leg up. I'll concede however that this isn't as big of a deal as many people are making it out to be, simply because you can only use so much corruption anyway and it's not like you can plaster it on everything. Them multiplying it by a factor of 5 is welcome, but truly if they wanted to make it more of an even playing field it should've been a factor of 10 to 20 (seriously, there are some people with tens of thousands of echoes).

    Personally the core concept of shit not being gated and allowing people to catch up quickly if they put the work in should be standard practice. Doing the legendary questline in MoP if you were months behind sucked. Doing the legendary questline in WoD if you were months behind sucked too. Ironically being months behind in Legion wasn't that big of a deal at the end of the expansion, but catching up the trinket from Argus was equally as shitty. See the trend? Being behind on the cloak really sucks, and being limited by vessels was shitty. Now if I someone actively wants to play and get caught up on the cloak, they can literally get to R15 in a single week if they play enough, and I think that's a wonderful change. Not sure why they're preventing people from getting the additional cloak resistance, but Blizzard always seems to have a hard line on certain catch up mechanics.

    All in all the game play loop is good for alts and mains right now, it's just a shame it took a few months for it to transpire. Little salty on not having echoes, but I really don't care that much. If you're behind on the cape, you can get R15 cloak in 1 week by doing content and buying as many vessels as possible. If you're behind on essences on alternate characters you can still buy essences, and if your corruptions are shitty you can target them. The only thing they truly need to fix is the ability to corrupt cleansed items again, otherwise the whole loop for the majority of players becomes awfully weird. Rewarding raiders is fine in my opinion, but you break the game by rewarding high iLvL pieces from caches (PvP, M+) or visions by assuring corruption come tomorrow, unless that corruption is literally the one you want anyway. It's sad, but unless they can fix that issue, 9 times out of 10 the best source of gear is going to be praying for loot that isn't corrupted to begin with.
  1. valax's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    The vendor changes twice a fucking week. Are you fucking serious?
    Why , yes .. yes I'm serious. There are 19 corruption effects with 3 tiers , all of which is randomized . So yes i'm fucking serious , the first time you might see a twilight devastation rank 3 or an infinite stars rank 3 might as well be next month.

    What is the downside of putting everything out there for the start? That who is already raiding heroic and mythic gets an advantage ? They already have a gear advantage to anybody who is catching up now. Also 4 months into the patch who cares.
  1. Tiwack's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Soisoisoi View Post
    Finally. No more RNG.

    E: I've just read it properly. Nope. They've put it on a random fucking cycle. WHY?! So when you can't get online and it's the one you want, or it's the one you want and can't afford it until it changes and you're waiting? Literally zero reason to do that. Just have them all available permanently. Fml blizzard do some random pointless shit sometimes.
    The reason is to inflate user-traffic on their charts and make the game seem 'alive' to the userbase.

    I could've not gotten the essences for my offspecs and would've been loaded with echoes by now in preparation for this. Makes me wonder why they made them stop dropping altogether. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinictus View Post
    Great, so people who don't have alts wont collect any
    Indeed, they seem to forget the grounds for these dropping in the first place. Some won't have seen a single echo while others will be loaded with them despite ignoring their existence.
  1. Geisl's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Soeroah View Post
    Oh, there is a definite end cap? thought it was just gonna keep ramping up til Shadowlands.
    Yeah sadly they should uncap it!! LOL

    It's not like it'll be useable in shadowlands anyway.
  1. Darknessvamp's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    we want to ensure that players who haven’t felt the need to accumulate them don’t feel disadvantaged, so we will be increasing both the droprates of Echoes and their costs by a factor of 5.

    You were saying?
    So you completely glossed over the rest of my post where I quoted that exact line and pointed out how it wasn't an explanation for why they're increasing the cost of essences? I even addressed the fact that increasing the drop rate benefits everyone yet increasing the cost disadvantages everyone and does the exact opposite of what they're claiming. "players who haven’t felt the need to accumulate them" are still behind those who have been and are at a bigger disadvantage if they want to work towards essences for alts before they get started on corruptions and current players now have to earn even more echoes to purchase the essences they have been working towards even if they are slightly ahead on getting corruptions.
  1. tehealadin's Avatar
    I am not too bothered with the corruption, I will still be sharding or vendoring most of the loot I get anyway as most of it is for slots that wouldn't be an upgrade. Though it would be nice to have something to spend echoes on.
  1. Eazy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    Indeed, they seem to forget the grounds for these dropping in the first place. Some won't have seen a single echo while others will be loaded with them despite ignoring their existence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vinictus View Post
    Great, so people who don't have alts wont collect any
    But echoes are going to drop for everyone that finished cloak quest. Even mains.

    At least that what I understoon from the main page.
  1. ashblond's Avatar
    Why the hell would anyone in Blizzard think this corruption is a better idea than WF/TF? Just who thought this genius idea????
  1. Edlarel's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vinictus View Post
    Great, so people who don't have alts wont collect any
    With the update, everybody will earn echoes, and will earn them at 5x the rate they are now, which is why rank 3 essences will also go up in price to keep the increase relative in that aspect while still opening up space for characters to choose between essences and corruption.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    Indeed, they seem to forget the grounds for these dropping in the first place. Some won't have seen a single echo while others will be loaded with them despite ignoring their existence.
  1. Vilendor's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by agentsi View Post
    They didn't want this in for the initial release, and it makes perfect sense. Would've prevented people from upgrading their cloak and pushed them towards having more dps. But leave it to you nerds to complain about them doing anything.
    So what? People play the game how they want and not how Actizzard planned it for you to play it?! HERESY!!!!!!! How dare they!?

    Get some help.
    I agree, get some help, you'll need a surgeon to remove your head from Actizzard's aZZ
  1. tehealadin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ashblond View Post
    Why the hell would anyone in Blizzard think this corruption is a better idea than WF/TF? Just who thought this genius idea????
    Yea I actually preferred TF.
  1. Zephire's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    The reason is to inflate user-traffic on their charts and make the game seem 'alive' to the userbase.

    I could've not gotten the essences for my offspecs and would've been loaded with echoes by now in preparation for this. Makes me wonder why they made them stop dropping altogether. Oh well.
    This is interesting because what you say could be true. It could also be a mix or even a side effect of this.

    The scenario is as follow:
    You want to play the game and have fun while doing it.
    You don't really know exactly what makes it fun, maybe firends, maybe challenge, maybe farm? It even depends on which mood you're in.
    It's a sub based game so they'd want you to play it and pay and they can't only focus on draging things out because you would not have fun.

    The questions are:
    If you had everything from the beginning, would it be more fun? Maybe. Would you stay subbed as long as you do now? Maybe, maybe not. Would it be more fun but over a shorter period meaning you'd be bored more quickly? Possibly. How do they achieve a good middleground?

    They can't tripple the sub cost but they need money to keep improving the game. It's solved with more time and lower sub cost. Which in turn mean content draught. Which leads to boredom and decline of subs.

    At the end of the line, we all want the game to be good, we all want to play it and Blizzard want a game you like and want to play. Many factors to take in consideration when designing activities and new systems.

    Then there's the playerbase. Some want this, some want that and others doesn't want anything. They all contribute to the game so how do Blizzard make changes without pushing one side of the playerbase away? Would the game be better if they did push one sida away? Would the sub model work without droping in quality?

    There's also the good 'ol "they didn't know" or "they didn't think of X or Y". It happens as well.

    Main point being: focus more on what you like and if WoW isn't the game for you any more, move on (maybe post a "why" for Blizzard to see). There are so many nice things to experience other than WoW

    They do increase the gain by a lot to reduce the benefit from hoarding Echoes. I have like 10-15k on my main and that's not really that much if a Twilight Dev costs 15k. If you start from zero, then you need to spend a fifth of my farm time to get the same amount. Sure, it's time but it's not that bad. It sucks for those with zero Echoes sure, but if they didn't increase the cost and gain, you'd be so unreasonable behind it wouldn't even be funny.
    Quote Originally Posted by ashblond View Post
    Why the hell would anyone in Blizzard think this corruption is a better idea than WF/TF? Just who thought this genius idea????
    Don't know but I do agree with that person. Corruption is great! (although a little flawed but it's getting better!)
  1. Eosia's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Domixux View Post
    This is definitely wrong. I started late in 8.3 so i only have one char with essences unlocked. This char recently started to get echos. I think they are either tied to a specific cloak level or a specific upgrade in the chamber tree thing (i recently got the one on the very bottom so its probably the trigger)
    Depends on the class/spec combination.
  1. Lahis's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Geisl View Post
    Yeah sadly they should uncap it!! LOL

    It's not like it'll be useable in shadowlands anyway.
    You can reach the 125 cap early September at the earliest. If they manage to push Shadowlands out on November, that would give little over a month of playtime with capped cloak (or 12-15 more resistance if the cloak was uncapped) when prepatch hits circa month before SL launch.
  1. Unholyground's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ashblond View Post
    Why the hell would anyone in Blizzard think this corruption is a better idea than WF/TF? Just who thought this genius idea????
    It is fine, thankfully they axed all this kind of gear bullshit in Shadowlands and gear is finally normal again.
  1. Soisoisoi's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by keymil View Post
    Not disagreeing with you in that specific case, but to be honest if you're not able to login just once during a whole 4 days cycle then I have no idea why do you care / need specific corruptions. Logging in once a week you already won't be able to afford it, and what do you even need that for, then?
    For the times when you can login so you can play the game and not feel like you're miles behind just because you didn't get chance to login the previous week? Not difficult to understand.

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