Shadowlands Changes to Combat Potions, Demon Hunters, and New Runeforge Abilities

Shadowlands Alpha - Build 34972

Changes to Combat Potions
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
In this next build of the Shadowlands alpha, combat potions, such as primary stat potions and mana potions, now have a 5 minute cooldown. Additionally, they are no longer limited to one use per encounter. This is intended to make potion use less of a hassle, less expensive, and more decision-oriented in various situations throughout the game.

In raid encounters, players will still have the option of using a potion at the start of an encounter, but using a potion just prior to and as close to the pull as possible will no longer be required. Longer encounters will now offer up more than one moment to use a potion for maximum tactical advantage. Ending a raid boss encounter with a wipe or a win will reset the potion cooldown.

In dungeons, spacing out potion use will place more emphasis on deciding the most important times to use them.

In PvP situations where combat potions are allowed, such as War Mode, Battlegrounds, and Epic Battlegrounds, the rate at which you drop combat can vary greatly. This change will bring a consistent expected cooldown to combat potions when you see enemies consume them.

Please feel free to share your feedback on this change in this thread. Thank you.

FEEDBACK: Demon Hunter Class Changes
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Fair tidings Illidari. The next build of the Shadowlands Alpha will have a number of changes based on your feedback. We’re generally happy with the core kit of both Demon Hunter specializations, but want to improve talent diversity.

Havoc
  • Demonic Appetite - Consuming a soul fragment no longer reduces the cooldown of Eye Beam.
  • Cycle of Hatred - When Chaos Strike refunds Fury, it will reduce the cooldown of Eye Beam (was Metamorphosis) .
    • Developers’ notes: We’ve reconsidered the addition of Eye Beam cooldown reduction to Demonic Appetite, believing it will make that talent a dominant choice in the row. Instead, we’re placing that benefit on Cycle of Hatred, which is competing against other options for AOE damage.
  • Insatiable Hunger: Demon's Bite deals 20% more damage and generates 5 to 10 additional Fury.
    • Developers’ notes: Since this ability only increased the maximum additional Fury that Demon's Bite could generate, it was possible to frequently see no noticeable benefit. The talent will now always result in at least 5 extra Fury generated.
  • Immolation Aura now generates 20 Fury when cast.
  • Burning Hatred: Immolation Aura now generates an additional 60 Fury over 12 seconds.
    • Developers’ notes: We added Immolation Aura back to Havoc baseline because it was a nice mid-tier AOE damage ability that could be shared across the specs. Player feedback made it clear that Fury generation was an important part of the ability, so we moved the initial burst of Fury to the main ability. The Fury generation over time will remain in the talent.
  • Fel Mastery has been replaced with a new talent, Unbound Chaos.
  • Unbound Chaos: While Immolation Aura is active, your inner demon slams into nearby enemies at the end of your Fel Rush, dealing Chaos damage.
    • Developers’ notes: Fel Mastery was a simple buff to Fel Rush damage that required frequent reorientation to your target and as a result primarily saw play alongside Momentum. By binding the damage bonus to Immolation Aura, we feel like the talent can be taken on its own or alongside Momentum.

Vengeance
  • Immolation Aura and Fiery Brand tooltips were changed to show the total amount of damage done over the duration of the spell.
  • Soul Cleave damage increased 20%.
    • Developers’ notes: We often see feedback that Soul Cleave is a low priority button because the passive consumption of soul fragments means no healing is lost if it isn’t pressed, and Spirit Bomb offers more damage and healing per soul fragment. We made a change already that adds additional healing to Soul Cleave for each orb consumed, but also we’re increasing the damage of Soul Cleave as well. We’d like to see Spirit Bomb used intermittently to apply Frailty, but Soul Cleave to be the spec’s primary source of healing and damage.
  • Agonizing Flames no longer increases the damage of Immolation Aura. It now increases its duration by 50%.
    • Developers’ notes: Increasing the duration of Immolation Aura increases the value of the talent’s movement speed buff and creates synergy with other talents like Infernal Armor and the re-design of Charred Flesh mentioned below.
  • Feast of Souls healing increased by 25%.
    • Developers’ notes: This talent is intentionally straightforward, offering an option that makes Vengeance’s primary consumer Soul Cleave better. It’s a fine option, but may need additional tuning to close the gap with the more active options in the row.
  • Charred Flesh has been redesigned: Immolation Aura damage now increases the duration of your Fiery Brand by 0.5 seconds.
    • Developers’ notes: Fire damage alone was not an attractive option when compared to the other options in the row. This interaction with Immolation Aura can significantly increase the uptime of a key defensive ability while also increasing its overall damage. This creates interesting synergies with anything that modifies Fiery Brand or Immolation Aura such as the talents Agonizing Flames and Burning Alive.

Please continue to reply with your thoughts on Demon Hunters in Shadowlands!

Shadowlands Alpha - Runeforge Legendary Abilities
You can see the Death Knight, Warrior, and Mage Runeforge Legendary Abilities here.
Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
Shaman (Elemental, Enhancement, Restoration)
  • Ancestral Reminder Bloodlust or any similar effects last an additional 20.0 sec on you, and you gain an extra 10% Haste from any Bloodlust type effect. (Hand, Trinket slot)
  • Deeptremor Stone Earth Elemental has a permanent Earthquake attached to it. (Legs, Wrist slot)
  • Deeply Rooted Elements Casting Stormstrike has a 5.1% chance to activate Ascendance for 6.0 sec. (Neck, Body slot)
  • Chains of Devastation Casting Chain Heal makes your next Chain Lightning instant cast. Casting Chain Lightning makes your next Chain Heal instant cast. (Shoulder, Waist, Weapon Main Hand slot)

Shaman (Elemental)
  • Skybreaker's Fiery Demise Flame Shock damage over time critical strikes reduce the cooldown of Fire Elemental by 1.0 sec, and Flame Shock has a 30% increased critical strike chance. (Waist, Trinket, Weapon Main Hand slot)
  • Elemental Equilibrium Dealing direct Fire damage increases the damage of your next Frost spell by 30%. Dealing Frost damage increases the damage of your next Nature spell by 25%. Dealing Nature damage increases the damage of your next Fire spell by 20%. (Feet, Wrist slot)
  • Echoes of Great Sundering When you consume 6 or more stacks of Fulmination with Earth Shock, your next Earthquake will be instant cast and deal 6% additional damage. (Body, Finger slot)
  • Windspeaker's Lava Resurgence When you consume 6 or more stacks of Fulmination with Earth Shock, gain Lava Surge and increase the damage of your next Lava Burst by 6%. (Wrist, 2H Weapon slot)

Shaman (Enhancement)
  • Doom Winds Dropping Windfury Totem grants you 100% inceased chance to gain Windfury Weapon for 8 sec. This can only occur once every 60 sec. (Neck, Legs slot)
  • Legacy of the Frost Witch Consuming 5 stacks of Maelstrom Weapon will reset the cooldown of Stormstrike and cause your next Stormstrike to deal 100% increased damage. (Shoulder, Hand slot)
  • Witch Doctor's Wolf Bones Increases the chance to gain a stack of Maelstrom Weapon by 5%, and whenever you gain a stack of Maelstrom Weapon, the cooldown of Feral Spirits is reduced by 2.0 sec. (Body, Trinket slot)
  • Primal Lava Actuators Each time Flame Shock deals Periodic damage, increase the damage of your next Lava Lash by 10% and reduce the cooldown of Lava Lash by 0.5 sec. (Hand, Finger slot)

Shaman (Restoration)
  • Jonat's Natural Focus Healing Wave and Healing Surge increase the healing done by your next Chain Heal by 0%, stacking up to 0 times. (Legs, Feet slot)
  • Spiritwalker's Tidal Totem After using Mana Tide Totem, the cast time of Healing Wave and Chain Heal is reduced by 50%, and the mana cost of Chain Heal and Healing Wave is reduced by 100% for 10 sec. (Feet, 2H Weapon slot)
  • Primal Tide Core Every 4 casts of Riptide also applies Riptide to another friendly target near your Riptide target. (Neck, Finger slot)
  • Earthen Harmony Earth Shield healing is increased by 300% if your Earth Shield target is below 50% health, and Healing Wave adds a stack of Earth Shield to your target, up to 9 maximum stacks. (Waist, 2H Weapon, Weapon Main Hand slot)

Priest (Discipline, Holy, Shadow)
  • Cauterizing Shadows When Shadow Word: Pain expires on a target, 5 allies within 20 yards of the target are healed for 6% of their maximum health. (Legs, Wrist slot)
  • Priest - Restored Faith Leap of Faith instead causes you to leap to your target, and has 2 charges. (Hand, Trinket slot)

Priest (Discipline)
  • The Penitent One Power Word: Radiance has a 50% chance to cause your next Penance to fire 3 extra bolts. (Wrist, 2H Weapon slot)
  • Crystalline Reflection Power Word: Shield instantly heals the target for [ 30% of Spell Power ] and reflects 30% of damage absorbed. (Body, Finger slot)
  • Kiss of Death Reduces Shadow Word: Death's cooldown by 8 sec and causes its damage to trigger Atonement. (Feet, Wrist slot)
  • Clarity of Mind During Rapture, Power Word: Shield costs 20% less mana and applies 6 second longer Atonements. (Waist, Trinket, Weapon Main Hand slot)

Priest (Holy)
  • The Alabaster Lady Prayer of Mending healing has a 8% chance to grant you Apotheosis for 8 sec. (Hand, Finger slot)
  • Harmonious Apparatus Circle of Healing, Holy Fire, and Prayer of Mending reduce the cooldown of Holy Word: Sanctify, Holy Word: Chastise, and Holy Word: Serenity by 4s. (Body, Trinket slot)
  • Flash Concentration Each time you cast Flash Heal, your next Heal cast within 15s has its casting time reduced by 0 sec and healing increased by 10%, stacking up to 3 times. (Shoulder, Hand slot)
  • Priest - Divine Image When you use a Holy Word spell, you have a chance to summon an image of a Naaru at your side. For 15 sec, whenever you cast a spell, the Naaru will cast a similar spell. (Neck, Legs slot)

Priest (Shadow)
  • Priest - Painbreaker Psalm Shadow Word: Death consumes 6 sec of Shadow Word: Pain and Vampiric Touch, instantly dealing that damage to the target and generating 10 Insanity. (Waist, 2H Weapon, Weapon Main Hand slot)
  • Shadowflame Prism Your Shadowfiend or Mindbender deals 20% additional damage as Shadowflame damage, and the cooldown on Shadowfiend and Mindbender is reduced by 40%. (Neck, Finger slot)
  • Call to the Void Mind Flay has a chance to spawn a Void Tendril that channels Mind Flay at your target for 10 seconds, generating 3 insanity when it deals damage. (Feet, 2H Weapon slot)
This article was originally published in forum thread: Shadowlands Changes to Combat Potions, Demon Hunters, and New Runeforge Abilities started by chaud View original post
Published on 2020-07-01 07:57 PM
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  1. Knolan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Thank god. Nothing more frustrating than a mage or hunter accidently pulling too early and you don't get to prepot. Probably best change I've seen so far this expansion.
    Being real, how frequently does this happen?

    I wouldn't mind it they cleaned pot buffs to avoid prepot if that is the issue.

    I don't like the 5 minutes cooldown change, as it affects other areas of the game and I like carrying pots with me, it is that extra stuff that I can do before hand and gives me some edge on PVP.
  1. Pregnant Orc's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Blowmeup View Post
    So they really going to leave Shadow as trash arent they?
    Unless they have some ace up their sleave where they remove Voidform but keep Insanity as a resource they seem intent on keeping Shadow trash.
  1. glowpipe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Knolan View Post
    Being real, how frequently does this happen?

    I wouldn't mind it they cleaned pot buffs to avoid prepot if that is the issue.

    I don't like the 5 minutes cooldown change, as it affects other areas of the game and I like carrying pots with me, it is that extra stuff that I can do before hand and gives me some edge on PVP.
    In less serious guilds with the current server lag we got in wow now. Way to often. We had it happen 3-4 times per nyalotha raid
  1. [Apok]'s Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Knolan View Post
    Being real, how frequently does this happen?

    I wouldn't mind it they cleaned pot buffs to avoid prepot if that is the issue.

    I don't like the 5 minutes cooldown change, as it affects other areas of the game and I like carrying pots with me, it is that extra stuff that I can do before hand and gives me some edge on PVP.
    I don't like the change either.

    In less serious guilds with the current server lag we got in wow now. Way to often. We had it happen 3-4 times per nyalotha raid
    How does a "less serious guild" suddenly experience more server lag?

    Barely ever see it happen apart from the occaisional mistake.

    For all those people saying it's no longer required, it was never required for the most part, it was a choice.

    idk maybe it's a change to help our their terrible raid encounter q&a team who forgot to prepot when testing the hardest difficulty raid.
  1. chiddie's Avatar
    I’m super casual player but I don’t use potions since ages. Almost forgot they still exist
  1. cuafpr's Avatar
    anything that helps end the pre-pot thing is welcomed
  1. Maslenka's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Knolan View Post
    I don't like the 5 minutes cooldown change, as it affects other areas of the game and I like carrying pots with me, it is that extra stuff that I can do before hand and gives me some edge on PVP.
    Lol mate. Do you really believe "failed prepots" was sole reason to implement this change? No, no, no, just no. The main goal was stealth nerf to m+ and open world pvp where nearly 100% uptime on potion feels just wrong.
  1. Relapses's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Maslenka View Post
    Lol mate. Do you really believe "failed prepots" was sole reason to implement this change? No, no, no, just no. The main goal was stealth nerf to m+ and open world pvp where nearly 100% uptime on potion feels just wrong.
    More accurately, it's the fact that if you're not at 100% uptime on potions you're "doing it wrong." Needing to use 20 potions in a dungeon, each costing 1-200g, is a bit extreme.

    OT: I like this change. The biggest problem is that it nerfs utility potions (and almost unfairly so). If they add separate CDs for defensive and offensive potions that would be an easy fix but I think this kind of goes against the whole impetus behind the change in the first place which is to make things more simple. /shrug -- it could be be worse.
  1. Tesshin83's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Blowmeup View Post
    So they really going to leave Shadow as trash arent they?
    Trollish comments about Shadow Priests being bad has to stop. They are fine. Just some other specc took its place as fotm after 8.2.

    Please dont ask Blizzard to use resources on something that isn't broken.
  1. Mamut's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tesshin83 View Post
    Trollish comments about Shadow Priests being bad has to stop. They are fine. Just some other specc took its place as fotm after 8.2.

    Please dont ask Blizzard to use resources on something that isn't broken.
    Except it is broken. Ask anyone who played SP in Shadowlands, they are trash. Also noone here is talking about damage numbers because they can be easily buffed/nerfed. If you have no idea what you are talkibng about then dont talk anything, atleast you wont look like idiot.
  1. Velerios's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pregnant Orc View Post
    Unless they have some ace up their sleave where they remove Voidform but keep Insanity as a resource they seem intent on keeping Shadow trash.
    Best way would it to simply add a talent like they did it for hunters with lone wolf. Just that this makes the class play actually better!

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Mamut View Post
    Except it is broken. Ask anyone who played SP in Shadowlands, they are trash. Also noone here is talking about damage numbers because they can be easily buffed/nerfed. If you have no idea what you are talkibng about then dont talk anything, atleast you wont look like idiot.
    I personally don't know anyone who wouldn't say that Shadow Priest on Alpha is the worst class in the game by a far amount.
  1. Seratox's Avatar
    Will this mean that rocket boots are gonna have a 5 minute cooldown now too?
  1. huldu's Avatar
    Shadow Priest... why is voidform still a thing? How hard is it just to remove that garbage from the game. Does anyone actually like the voidform mechanic?
  1. Zka's Avatar
    Finally a good change. Prepotting has been retarded, glad to see it gone.
  1. kaid's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tesshin83 View Post
    Trollish comments about Shadow Priests being bad has to stop. They are fine. Just some other specc took its place as fotm after 8.2.

    Please dont ask Blizzard to use resources on something that isn't broken.
    The fact that their DPS numbers are still solid does not mean the class is in bad shape. Blizz has just tuned the number to bandage it. The whole concept of how they are doing void form is basically broken. They can't balance it either its somewhat useful and then the uber high end raiders will find ways of abusing it to get stupid DPS burst or its not and it just feels like a really long build up for nothing and feels god awful when soloing. In raids they largely are okay just because the targets last long enough to make the current incarnation of void form make at least some sense.
  1. Froziro's Avatar
    Talk about destroying DH.

    It was fine as it was Blizzard! This just sucks tbh.
  1. Knolan's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Maslenka View Post
    Lol mate. Do you really believe "failed prepots" was sole reason to implement this change? No, no, no, just no. The main goal was stealth nerf to m+ and open world pvp where nearly 100% uptime on potion feels just wrong.
    Well, I can see the m+ argument, on which case, nerf it there =p

    Nobody cares about open world PVP, it is supposed to be broken =p

    I hope they break the cooldown between defensive and offensive pots then, 5 minutes CD on BGs will be quite annoying.

    EDIT:
    https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/item...-action-potion OUCH ='(
  1. kokodesuka's Avatar
    Are they joking with those Priests Legendaries? Some of them were Glyphs? Even Sephuz/Pyrdaz would've been better addition.
  1. TyrannicalPuppy's Avatar
    Really fail to see how Blizzard is happy with demon hunter's extremely lackluster core moveset, but... what do I know, right...
  1. Sharnie786's Avatar
    I want to know if stat/combat potions share a cooldown with mana potions.
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