Reckful Passes Away

Originally Posted by kodemonkee

It has 100% to do with gaming, internet and the generation now which only sits at home and the only social interaction is via Discord/game chat/whatsapp and their parents and/or brothers and sisters. I have a feeling the younger generation doesn't go outside and talk to other people which is really important for a human.

When I was younger there were no mobile phones when we wanted to meet for the next day with the friends we said it a day before and met there at this and this time. It was really better. Nowadays every little 12 year old kid has a mobile and sits in front of it 24/7 in their room.

It's great having communication. Indeed is great and it is a very important part of the human being. A lot people nowadays talk shy in front of people, so when they sit on computer they just talk everything they haven't been saying in front of anyone that surrounds them. This can be good as it can be bad.

Looks like quite some people do not really know how severe a mental illness is, i have seen it on people with paranoid shezophrenia and they had depression and agression phases/psychosis, too, just in case of hat particular illness they also talk a lot of rubbish like they live in another world talking with people that do not exist at all - here it easy to see how ill a person is and believe it or not, they would kill themselves or attempt suicide over much more illogical things, like mobbing coming from people that do not even exist in the real world - like they hear voices in their head that mobs them and thus they wanted to kill themselves.

Maybe Byron had a little more than just a depression his suicide is certainly not based on logic, instead, what i have seen so far following him on his streams, that he actually made some progress to fight his depression and he seemed to be more calm developing his mmo project everworld and he had quite a numbers of friends, too, travelled the world, too and had fun.

From my point of view, the only bad thing in his life was the suicide of his brother, anything else was merely a little bit of drama everyone could have, just that most people wouldn't stream that.

I think his brother commit suicide on an even younger age than Byron?

Probably, games like Asheron's Call and WoW helped him to hold out longer, beeing a PK and having success on esport tourneys, probably those games distracted his mind to go full depressive mode into suicide.

Not sure, if internet fame did help, to keep one stable, though. I rather thing that was not so helpful, but who knows.

For me at least, his death came a little bit unexpected, after all the progress so far.

Nobody kills himself because of some tweets, or voices he hears in his head, its the illness, that is sure, also Reckful was an intelligent person, probably would have never thought of suicide at this young age without that illness.

His case, shows, how serious mental illnesses are, if there are people that can't explain that at all, maybe watch the happening. It shows in a drastic way how people kill themselves, cause somethign in their brain got changed(in the movies case through flowers and plants)

There was simply no logic reasion to even think about suicide, if you look at Byron's life.

But, he wasn't mentally healthy and his depression too severe after all, so R.I.P. Reckful.

Originally Posted by kodemonkee

There was a guy from another building who filmed the aftermath (if you believe the 4chan /v/ people) looks like he jumped from his flat/balcony. But again, I don't know how trustworthy it is since we all know how 4chan is.

I would trust a better source, like Blue or Becca. Or some of his friends. Even sodapoppin. It's more trustworthy.

Originally Posted by Redroniksre

People kill themselves over "trivial issues" all the time. What you consider to be "trivial" to you, may as well be a much bigger deal to another person. Someone with severe depression already has thoughts going around their head about suicide and general self-bullying. To then see these words come from other people only reinforces these thoughts and can sometimes progress them. Remember kids, just because you have thick skin and are a "tough guy" doesn't mean everyone else does too.

its not me beeing the tough guy with thick skin, its them having mental issues that triggers suicide.

Believe it or not, suicide is not a trivial thing, you don't do this, because you were soft. You do this, because something in your brains says so, and its a kind of insanity.

I met many people with mental illnesses here in vienna, the home of Dr. Freud, its just my personal expierence that i had in my 41 years here.

Suicide usually comes with an illness, if its at a young age, and becomes more obvious, if it happens to seemingly very successful people, too.

There are so many examples to this, like that frontman singer of INXS, Michael Hutchence, he killed hisself, over a trivial thing and who knows what triggered it, his mental illness and drug abuse perhaps and he died at a young age too in his 30ies his persona, characteristics and beheaviour was similar to that of Byron. He seemed cool and successful, but raged over some trivial stuff, most people would rather ignore or handle differently. First comes the outrage then the phase of selfdestruction.


Its on them its in their head, that trigger that suicide, its not just a case of beeing too soft and sensitive, that might be the case, too, but does not lead to suicide. Half the women population would be dead, by now, right?


Lets just accept, that there are really deadly mental illnesses and our society obviously does ignore them. Sentences like: " this person was soft, etc" is another case of ignoring scientific data on the case that it is the illness.

If you are very emotional, you might cry over some things, but do not commit suicide, if you have serious suicidical thoughts, over not so severe things even, you need to see a doctor and get your medical treatment and at a very young age that medical treatment might come too late, many mental illnesses start to trigger in the 20ies, some before that.

And its usually a genetic disposition and nothing anyone could do to prevent it to break out.

I played with him a few times. He played warrior on our RBG team. I was Hpal so we took the flag back to the base and rogue-dodged together. He never said a word on Disc so I quarterbacked. I could tell he was good. I wasn't told he was Reckful until it was over. Glad to have the opportunity. I would have liked to hear his voice.

Originally Posted by Tyrannica

You would not kill yourself over a trivial issue.

That's not how mental illness works. When someone with suicidal ideation makes the commitment to go through with it, the inciting incident is usually the straw that broke the camel's back after many, many near-misses where they decided against it. When you're already coping with intense feelings of helplessness, irrelevance, or other similar feelings, getting a tidal wave of people telling you to off yourself can have the same effect as, metaphorically-speaking, pushing someone and letting gravity do the rest of the work.

So yes, a 'trivial thing' can be an inciting incident, but it's important to note these are usually prolonged situations. Cyberbullying, to run with a previously-used example, does have established effects on peoples' mental well-being, and prolonged use of social media has been found to hold direct correlations with rising anxiety and depression in under-40s (although it's one of many contributing factors, it is a contributing factor). Humans are ultimately social creatures, and even the most introverted or self-sufficient person generally seeks positive attention/reinforcement from peers and role models.

Consistent negative attention over a long period of time cranks up the brain's natural tendency to remember negative situations (a leftover survival mechanism from our ungabunga days when bad experiences were memorized to prevent dying to those same circumstances later, same place the fight-or-flight response comes from) and drown out the positive experiences, even if objectively there are fifty positive experiences for every tweet saying 'Kill yourself, nobody wants you around.' This is exacerbated exponentially if you're dealing with suicidal ideation already.

Sorry for the wordy response. This is something where a lot of context comes into play and it bears restating that the human brain is simultaneously an extremely complicated and very basic organism, and this paradox is why what seems trivial to you or I can be the inciting incident that causes someone to stand on a bridge and lean forward.

Originally Posted by keldarepewpew

But it has to do with the gaming community there is a really loud vocal minority wich is so toxic it affects peoples mental state, people dont realise their words can have a big impact in games, You say we come here to escape the real world problems but toxic people bring those problems here and ridicule you for them, on top of that alot of people enable the behaviour by acting asif that behaviour is funny. How is that not a problem in the community. Acting asif this has nothing to do with gaming is putting your head in the sand. His last posts were litteraly riddled with people telling to kill himself. How the fuck is that not an issue with our community ????

report those people and get them banned. yes its that simple.

i had such situation in wow once - there was dude angry at me for something - i kept ignoring his angry whispers , he kept harrasing me so i called blizzard infoline (yes it was years ago ) and ensured he got banned.

you have tools for it in game. if people dont use them its their problem .

for me information about servers merges is milion times more important then the one about reckful .

yes yes im terrible human being i know.

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Originally Posted by FuxieDK

I've been playing, without breaks, for over 13 years, and never heard of him before.

I've never understood the reason to single out a few individuals. I know of more than one person who played the game and died, they never got a page on MMO-C..

im willing to bet that much more people know about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEpv7YxnLCQ

then who reckfull was.

If you don't know him, never heard of him or just don't care about him then you really do not need to post at all. Posting to say so is just very disrespectful.

He was known by many and will be missed by many.

Originally Posted by Thage

That's not how mental illness works. When someone with suicidal ideation makes the commitment to go through with it, the inciting incident is usually the straw that broke the camel's back after many, many near-misses where they decided against it. When you're already coping with intense feelings of helplessness, irrelevance, or other similar feelings, getting a tidal wave of people telling you to off yourself can have the same effect as, metaphorically-speaking, pushing someone and letting gravity do the rest of the work.

So yes, a 'trivial thing' can be an inciting incident, but it's important to note these are usually prolonged situations. Cyberbullying, to run with a previously-used example, does have established effects on peoples' mental well-being, and prolonged use of social media has been found to hold direct correlations with rising anxiety and depression in under-40s (although it's one of many contributing factors, it is a contributing factor). Humans are ultimately social creatures, and even the most introverted or self-sufficient person generally seeks positive attention/reinforcement from peers and role models.

Consistent negative attention over a long period of time cranks up the brain's natural tendency to remember negative situations (a leftover survival mechanism from our ungabunga days when bad experiences were memorized to prevent dying to those same circumstances later, same place the fight-or-flight response comes from) and drown out the positive experiences, even if objectively there are fifty positive experiences for every tweet saying 'Kill yourself, nobody wants you around.' This is exacerbated exponentially if you're dealing with suicidal ideation already.

Sorry for the wordy response. This is something where a lot of context comes into play and it bears restating that the human brain is simultaneously an extremely complicated and very basic organism, and this paradox is why what seems trivial to you or I can be the inciting incident that causes someone to stand on a bridge and lean forward.

lets not take my words out of context, it seems to be a very bad habit here on mmo-c, i obviously wrote much more than those few words, but thanks anyways for your long reasionable reply.

But to clarify:

"You do not kill yourself over a trivial issue, if you are mentally stable without an severe illness"

My point is, people should finally accept that illnesses like that of reckful are very severe and deadly and only this, did kill him in the end. Not some "bad" expierence in life or negative reactions of people. That might trigger it, but isn't the reasion to even think about commiting suicide.

I do not know his medication or if he had one on that day, what i know 100%, is, that its is the illness not some people on the internet making fun of him, that took his life. Look at one of his older brothers who did also commit suicide? No twitter, Twitch, social media could have had an effect, just genetic disposition and how severe it will break out.

He could have died way sooner, too, because of that illness! Somehow he managed to hold out and i thought, he did made some progress to combat his depression or whatever illness he really had, usually depression is just a form how a deadly illness expresses itself.

I saw people getting so agressive, that they tried to cut themselves in a hurry until i took the knife away from them, they appeared like they were no longer in control or reasionable. Its not just always sadness over some things in life. And Byron seems to act more agressive when he was younger without medication, looking at many of his streams. I'd say the adrenaline helps commiting quick and horrible decisions, that you wouldn't do if you were calm.

From what i gathered, is, that people consider cancer, heart diseases and strokes as deadly as it affects directly the body, but mental illnesses are just as deadly, and thats really need to be made more aware to people - like i do not see that often in media or discussed at lenght.

Its not like they can decide to not kill themselves, everyone should have seen what i saw...some people just are not themselves then commiting stuff like that as they are temporary remote controlled and sometimes they switch their personality completely expierencing a critical psychosis.

I found this article today, and think it sums it up nicely.

https://variety.com/2020/digital/new...ft-1234697400/

Originally Posted by Byron

Ahh, I feel bad for anyone who has to deal with my insanity.

Originally Posted by Byron

Please just know in these situations the insane person does not feel in control of their actions

Originally Posted by Hobbselle

This is a complete different situation. They should honor him ingame for his legacy

Should be a pvp vendor maybe?

This is so fucking sad. Rip.

I do not know who he was, but I am very sorry for his family and his fans and the loss they have suffered. /hugs

I didn't really know him but i knew he was a top pvping thats been playing wow for years i feel sorry for them.

Originally Posted by FuxieDK

I've been playing, without breaks, for over 13 years, and never heard of him before.

I've never understood the reason to single out a few individuals. I know of more than one person who played the game and died, they never got a page on MMO-C..

Oh, come one now. I'm no fanboy but Reckful was a legend in the WoW pvp community, so of course the news got in the first page of a WoW fansite. If you never heard of him it's not a big deal of course, but literally hundreds of thousands or even millions of people knew who he was, he was one of the OG streamer and personality of WoW after all

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Originally Posted by MrLachyG

Should be a pvp vendor maybe?

Or the first Gladiator set in Shadowlands. Reckful Gladiator sounds pretty good

i am in shock, used to watch him on twitch alot in 2012-2013, he was very skilled at pvp and entertaining aswell, he will always be a pvp legend and a twitch legend

Originally Posted by Gnosk

If you don't know him, never heard of him or just don't care about him then you really do not need to post at all. Posting to say so is just very disrespectful.

He was known by many and will be missed by many.

When I started WoW with the Cata release the first thing I heard and saw was Reckful, I understand when people didn't know him because they didn't go to WoW related websites etc. but I would say he was really known and popular in the WoW scene.

One of the first streamers I remember tuning into regularly. He always seemed to have such a great heart....I'm deeply saddened by this news.

Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk

This video happened in December He talked with Dr. K
Really sad looking at it now.

Dr. K starts streaming in 20 minutes on Twitch to talk about grief/suicide/dealing with suicidal people
https://www.twitch.tv/healthygamer_gg/about

Originally Posted by Eggroll

Dr. K starts streaming in 20 minutes on Twitch to talk about grief/suicide/dealing with suicidal people
https://www.twitch.tv/healthygamer_gg/about

Even seeing the chat makes me sad, my uncle died sunday and I am trying as much as I can to help my aunt, driving her and my 2 cousins because she has no driving license, then I saw that Reckful died, double kick in the nuts. I hate this fucking year 2020, it started bad, is bad and I believe it won't end good.

Originally Posted by kodemonkee

It has 100% to do with gaming, internet and the generation now which only sits at home and the only social interaction is via Discord/game chat/whatsapp and their parents and/or brothers and sisters. I have a feeling the younger generation doesn't go outside and talk to other people which is really important for a human.

When I was younger there were no mobile phones when we wanted to meet for the next day with the friends we said it a day before and met there at this and this time. It was really better. Nowadays every little 12 year old kid has a mobile and sits in front of it 24/7 in their room.

It seems to me most research shows a correlation between those who play more video games and risk of suicide but there's no suggestion of causation. It's also really difficult to test for causation in a study because you would essentially need a group of people who have similar traits/factors of those who play video games but don't actually do so. I think there just exists a correlation because whatever factors/traits lead to increase chance of suicide just happen to also exist more often with those who play video games. For example, being introverted or anti-social.