Shadowlands Conduits Update
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Starting next week in the Shadowlands Beta, we will begin introducing a series of updates to the Soulbind system to add a persistent collection system for Conduits. Since the Soulbind system was unveiled in the Alpha and discussed in our Developer Update, we’ve heard consistent feedback about the shortcomings of an inventory-based destructible version of Conduits, and we agree entirely.

While we feel it’s important that there be some friction in moving Conduits around, the prospect of the having to re-earn a given Conduit, perhaps by chasing a specific dungeon or raid boss drop, was not particularly appealing to anyone. However, simply removing destructibility without making other changes would have created an inventory management nightmare, especially for players who enjoy playing multiple specializations.

Once this new system is in place, Conduits will work like this:
  • Conduits will continue to be items that can be earned from a wide variety of endgame content (dungeons, PvP, raids, reputations, world quests, etc.)
  • The power of their effects will increase with the Item Level of the Conduit.
  • Instead of placing a Conduit directly into a given Soulbind tree, you’ll bring it back to your Sanctum where you can add it to a permanent collection.
  • There will be more than one source for most Conduits, to increase flexibility in acquisition and accessibility across different playstyles.
  • Earning a more powerful version of a Conduit you already have will simply upgrade that Conduit in your collection.

At its core, the Soulbind system aims to give you the freedom to essentially build your own talent tree for yourself. Each Soulbind offers a range of fixed universal traits closely themed to that Soulbind’s nature, and there are many open slots throughout the tree that effectively serve as wildcards, allowing you to insert Conduits to customize each Soulbind to suit your playstyle and preferences. A given Conduit can only be used once per Soulbind, though the same Conduit can be added into different Soulbinds’ trees without restriction. This does not require earning more than one copy of the Conduit – once it’s in your collection, you can place it as you wish.

If you want to rebuild your Soulbind trees, once per week you’ll be able to clear all of their Conduits, with a separate cooldown per Soulbind. But once you’ve decided on your desired Conduit placements, we want to ensure that the system offers as much flexibility as other existing talent systems, so you’ll be able to switch which Soulbind is active or redirect the flow of Anima through a Soulbind’s tree (essentially respeccing them) any time you visit your Sanctum. And if you have a different Soulbind per spec, or a different active trait path within a given Soulbind, that will be saved on a per-specialization basis, and will automatically change whenever and wherever you change specializations.

We’re hoping to have an initial version of this system active in next week’s Beta, with further updates and a polished user interface in the weeks to follow.

As always, thank you for your feedback! We’re looking forward to seeing everyone play with this new system and letting us know how it feels, and it’s your thoughtful feedback that has helped us make Shadowlands even better.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Shadowlands Conduits Update started by Lumy View original post
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  1. Vongimi's Avatar
    So shadowlands is gonna be the expansion where you dare not play more then 1 spec. A week lockout.... so you can't even respecc between pvp and pve let alone between raids and m+
  1. RobertMugabe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    A good chunk are trolling for fun I guarantee it lol.
    Yeah you're probably right.
  1. gortz's Avatar
    It would be great if they could just delete the whole thing, I firmly believe as I have from the v.start that it's going to be terrible for the game and totally unwanted
  1. Arkura's Avatar
    This looks far better then what it started out as. Getting a better version of it for when higher tiers of content becomes availible is far better then not having it and having to farm for it to get it again. You still have the conduit, just not the best version of it yet. And once you have it theres no need to worry, you wont lose/waste it.
  1. Babadoo's Avatar
    I'm getting sick of all those borrowed power systems.
  1. RobertMugabe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vongimi View Post
    So shadowlands is gonna be the expansion where you dare not play more then 1 spec. A week lockout.... so you can't even respecc between pvp and pve let alone between raids and m+
    No that's not how it works. Each character is gonna have 3 soulbinds, aka talent trees, but you can only use 1 of them. To swap between or change the path you can just do that at an inn. ONLY the conduits themselves can be reset weekly, but you will have many different choices to swap around at all times.
  1. Daedius's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lumy View Post
    Shadowlands Conduits Update
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    [*]Instead of placing a Conduit directly into a given Soulbind tree, you’ll bring it back to your Sanctum where you can add it to a permanent collection.
    Good !
  1. Daemos daemonium's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    No no, this is how you get satisfied customers right. You piss them off first, because that's the most clever thing to do. Then you surprise them with the fix you already planned a year ahead, so you get ultra satisfied customers because that's how we humans react to that kind of thing right!

    It's funny, because of course blizzard has this awesome marketing idea where you piss off your customers on purpose.

    Blizzard just can't win with some people. Let the rest of us show that we actually appreciate the things they do right.
    Your right blizzard Proabbly is snidely whiplash tying them selfs to rail road tracks so they can trick us with there plans with in plans. But the fast thinking player base that is Dudley do-right see through there tricks!

  1. AbsolutVodka's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    >Made Conduits destructible to you to re-grind it all the time
    >Players hated it
    >Made Conduits indestructible but give it levels to re-grind it all the time
    >Blizzdrones: "Hey, they listening to us!"
    Quote Originally Posted by Lumy View Post
    Shadowlands Conduits Update
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

    • Conduits will continue to be items that can be earned from a wide variety of endgame content (dungeons, PvP, raids, reputations, world quests, etc.)
    • The power of their effects will increase with the Item Level of the Conduit.
    • Instead of placing a Conduit directly into a given Soulbind tree, you’ll bring it back to your Sanctum where you can add it to a permanent collection.
    • There will be more than one source for most Conduits, to increase flexibility in acquisition and accessibility across different playstyles.
    • Earning a more powerful version of a Conduit you already have will simply upgrade that Conduit in your collection.
    Also, how is that any different from upgrading gear from different difficulties? LFR > Normal > Heroic > Mythic. It's been the natural state of gear progression for ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stardrift View Post
    That's the same impression I got. Blizzard is very stubborn on choices they make. I don't think they've learned from BFA.

    "Make one thing that sounds bad, even worse. Then pretend to backpedal on it to make it sound like it's a bit better to butter everyone up"

    Businesses have been using this practice for forever.
    Do you have any clue how hard it is to code complex systems like this? Do you really think a company would waste that much time on a throwaway system for the sake of feelgood appearances? I understand that they're a company/corporation and we shouldn't take everything they do at face value, but this kind of tight tinfoil mentality makes no sense.
  1. Daedius's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by trapmaster View Post
    Sounds fucking lame to be honest...
    So you'd rather have one time use conduits instead of the now interchangeable system?
  1. MrLachyG's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vongimi View Post
    So shadowlands is gonna be the expansion where you dare not play more then 1 spec. A week lockout.... so you can't even respecc between pvp and pve let alone between raids and m+
    um actually looks like you're flat wrong there. "And if you have a different Soulbind per spec, or a different active trait path within a given Soulbind, that will be saved on a per-specialization basis, and will automatically change whenever and wherever you change specializations."

    so you have 3 soulbinds per spec it would seem. you then can change the path they use which will give you different abilities and conduits at any rested zone. so if you play a druid who tanks for m+, heals for raiding and dps for open world/pvp you can do all those things quite easily and you will still be effective
  1. Nevcairiel's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    >Made Conduits destructible to you to re-grind it all the time
    >Players hated it
    >Made Conduits indestructible but give it levels to re-grind it all the time
    >Blizzdrones: "Hey, they listening to us!"
    You do realize the conduits having an item level was also a thing in the old system, yes?

    A progression system you just fill out in a few days and then don't get upgrades for isn't much of a progression system at all. The collection/progression is now on the same level as any normal gear piece.
  1. Heladys's Avatar
    Good fix. /10char
  1. Harbour's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Regetting things at higher levels started in wrath this isn’t a new concept The game has worked this way for the majority of its life so why should people be upset that it’s sticking to form?
    Because initially Conduits supposed to be just an items you get and put and go with it without the need to level it up doing the same thing again. Dont confuse gear and item for power customization. They are not the same and serve different purposes.

    Quote Originally Posted by AbsolutVodka View Post
    Also, how is that any different from upgrading gear from different difficulties? LFR > Normal > Heroic > Mythic. It's been the natural state of gear progression for ages.
    read above

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    You do realize the conduits having an item level was also a thing in the old system, yes?

    A progression system you just fill out in a few days and then don't get upgrades for isn't much of a progression system at all. The collection/progression is now on the same level as any normal gear piece.
    read above

    They essentially turned another system into grinding fest. They put the water from red glass into blue glass and you call it a huge improvement. Its not.
  1. Manhands's Avatar
    Excellent. This is like essences but instead of Rank 1/2/3, an item level associated, so easy to acquire initially and yet still a reason to push higher content. 10/10
  1. Cazze's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    Because initially Conduits supposed to be just an items you get and put and go with it without the need to level it up doing the same thing again. Dont confuse gear and item for power customization. They are not the same and serve different purposes.



    read above



    read above

    They essentially turned another system into grinding fest. They put the water from red glass into blue glass and you call it a huge improvement. Its not.
    Dude they had ilvl in the other system too.
  1. Beatman's Avatar
    50% of people here are complaining about a system they don't even understand.

    Nice change . Soulbinds + conduits will be a very good system.
  1. Grimalkin of Old's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    It might be hard to believe but blizzard Proabbly isn’t snidely whiplash thinking 5 steps ahead and twirling there mustache.
    You are right, it is hard to believe.
  1. TEHPALLYTANK's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Vongimi View Post
    So shadowlands is gonna be the expansion where you dare not play more then 1 spec. A week lockout.... so you can't even respecc between pvp and pve let alone between raids and m+
    Your conduits will be saved on a per-spec basis, changing specs will automatically change your conduit loadout to the one you have for that spec. Playing multiple specs won't be an issue, but your concern about doing different types of content may be an issue if you want to use the same spec in multiple types of content.
  1. Abitou's Avatar
    Meanwhile baseline of classes are horrible

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