WoW Classic - Actions to Reduce Disruption During AQ War Effort

Originally Posted by scelero

-You can play classic this way as well. also, you can have a very engaging experience on retail servers, just find the right guild/community.

You can get engaging experience on Retial - i agree.
Difference is - it is not mandatory to interact with anyone here.

Originally Posted by scelero

-You don't have to play PVP servers.

As stated before - i regret playing on PvP server.
It was huge mistake but even tho i still love Classic mostly because i've got friends here and amazing guild.

Originally Posted by scelero

-this isn't a game flaw, this is a trust issue. See Point 1. Find the right guild/community.

Uhhh... youre talking now about Classic or Retail?
I've got great guild on Classic and 95% of the drama does not concern me.

Originally Posted by scelero

-I don't remember this in Sunwell for BC. Yeah, it was a race to tag world bosses but that's what we do.

We are not talking about TBC.

Originally Posted by scelero

-you can buy almost anything with real money in classic.

... and you can buy guns, drugs for money too...
Of course i meant only by ingame options.

Originally Posted by scelero

-we're talking about professions as a selling point? anything you can craft, you can upgrade doing raids. professions suck honestly in every level of the game.

Uhhh... Black Lotus?... Crusader recipe?... Golden Pearl?...
Try to upgrade these in raids.

Originally Posted by scelero

-you can sit in trade in classic and join groups too. you can even wait to be summoned.

And thats how it should work.
On retail you click LFG tool and boom you are doing dunegons skipping any player to player interaction.

Originally Posted by scelero

If you're trying to find quality in the SAME EXACT place that has toxicity, you'll get a mixed bag leaning more toward toxic results.

Go somewhere were toxicity isn't allowed, and find your community there. There are plenty of guilds out there free of the drama, free of the news and politics.

But like I said, don't look in the same place you find toxicity.

I agree.
I avoid any toxic environment and i love my guild. :P

Originally Posted by Clozer

Asmongold said he knows for a fact that a ton of players were perma banned or 6 month banned for abusing the report system.

It's happening boys.

I've been watching his stream yesterday but probaly missed that part.
Can you link timestamp to that?

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

Yeah because we should believe anything that troll says.

Anything? No, but he has proven many times that his informations are not just random thoughts and were sooner or later confirmed.

Originally Posted by Mendzia

I've been watching his stream yesterday but probaly missed that part.
Can you link timestamp to that?

7:37 yesterdays vod.

Originally Posted by dipzz

You've clearly never played vanilla/classic if you're saying you can play it the same way as Retail.

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This shit is so funny, this is why I don't play classic and i'm thankful I got to play Vanilla in all it's glory. So many entitled kids that call everything in classic griefing or trolling, when I did play classic when it came out I had one kid whisper me angry msgs for an hour because I was AOE farming on my mage BUT he was trying to level, and he had more of a right to level then I did to farm gold. *nod*

This is why hardcore MMO's don't exist and it's just a casual slurp derp fest, because anything hardcore requires a dog eat dog world and kids these days can't handle it and need a safe space. SO WHAT you're getting griefed, deal with it. My first ever MMO I was 12 and it was FFXI, anyone who played FFXI during ZM/COP knows what i'm talking about, EVERY single boss/NM was a world spawn and they dropped ALL the best loot. Do you have any idea how many times I stayed up on a school night camping a boss/NM that had a spawn window of 8-48hours only to have someone run in at the last minute and steal it when it did spawn? or have a chinese gold farmer bot suddenly log in as it spawned and took it? OR how about when I did get the claim and some tard grabbed threat by healing me and dragged the mob so it would reset and they could claim it.

Did I cry? no Did I put in a ticket asking for bans? no, why? because it's all part of the game. Deal with it kids. The bottom line is the only reason classic seems "More toxic" is because the 90% of the playerbase who are having fun, have no reason to come here crying and complaining. Which means the forums are just crying posts and it makes it seem more toxic when 10% of the playerbase are flooding forums with tears and the other 90% are having fun playing the game

It really seems that your experience made you a better person. I'm really glad you went through the hard times in the beginning of mmos so that you can teach us.

Originally Posted by IdiocracyIsReal

You should have tried on RP realm or at least PvE realm. PvP realms have always been full of toxic players, even in vanilla.

This is the main point.
I'm on a PvE server and it's pretty chill, rarely encountered an asshole in nearly one year.

As for the supposed toxicity, what I notice is, as always, that in a Classic thread it's mostly retail anti-Classic players coming to spill their bile. So much for retail having a better community

I am so glad I'm not sullying my 15-year old memories with this garbage.

Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit

Hahahaha. Good times. I knew the Classic community was going to be ultra toxic. Why would you want to play a 15 yo game that is mind numbingly easy? For the drama. I leveled alone and had a great time trolling general, stealing tags, training mobs into others. I got so many messages abusing me and telling me I'm on some sort of black list. It was the best.

Then I hit 60 and plugged a few dungeons and next thing I know I'm in the number one guild on the server. I was so happy, Not because of progress but because of the drama.

People gquitting because they had to wait till the 2pm raid to clear blackwing. The backstabbing about loot. People conspiring to rig loot distribution. We even had a marriage break up. It was awesome. The funny thing is we had 3 full raids clear bwl from day one and everyone was getting geared. There was no reason to be acting like this at all. But I was sure glad it did.

Anyway I had to move house to my net was down for 2 weeks and even though I missed the drama I really couldn't be bothered going back. I wasn't there for the loot, I gave up all my bwl loot to the other guys I knew I would get it eventually if I stuck around but when you clear the hardest content around on the first day and you're in the C team? Pretty boring.

I am sad that your main source of entertainment is seeing other people fight. Why don't you want to see people happy?

Originally Posted by Clozer

Asmongold said he knows for a fact that a ton of players were perma banned or 6 month banned for abusing the report system.

It's happening boys.

Any proof? Keep in mind that as a streamer, Asmongold has a HUGE motive to make people believe that you get banned for abusing the report system - he's one of the people who'd get targeted the hardest.

Originally Posted by luciano

YLike...all I wanted from the day they announced classic wow was to see the whole AQ gates event -- the buildup, the donations, all that. I was looking forward to farming and contributing. But it's just been an asshole parade where every float is a different streamer.

Such a shame. Could have been so much more fun.

Unfortunately you still wouldn't have been able to experience it. In classic we didn't know anything about the quest lines really so it would take weeks to farm everything up on some servers, etc. With Classic relaunch everything was known in advance so the donations were zerged so fast most wouldn't even get to turn something in unless they were there when the patch came online.

Which is a shame, it was a fun interesting event then and a lot of things ruined it even now all in the name of a black scarab mount.

Originally Posted by Segus1992

Any proof? Keep in mind that as a streamer, Asmongold has a HUGE motive to make people believe that you get banned for abusing the report system - he's one of the people who'd get targeted the hardest.

Well, I rechecked and he said, that he got messaged by people saying that they got banned for that long. It's 7:37 yesterdays VOD. Seems believable to me.

Originally Posted by Clozer

Well, I rechecked and he said, that he got messaged by people saying that they got banned for that long. It's 7:37 yesterdays VOD. Seems believable to me.

That's not proof at all, but you do you.

Originally Posted by Segus1992

That's not proof at all, but you do you.

Sorry, I'm no GM and can't look into their accounts to prove that to you.

Originally Posted by Qnubi

I am sad that your main source of entertainment is seeing other people fight. Why don't you want to see people happy?

Why do people get invested in the Kardashians? It's not because they are nice people. It is because of the drama. It might be fake. It might be real. But at least it's entertaining. Now I'm not into the Kardashians, I don't even know if they are still a thing. But drama from a group of people I share interests with? That's entertainment. I love how this 15 yo game means so much to people and I love how upset people get when things don't go their way. The little cliques. The backstabbing. The frontstabbing. The confrontations before the raid. Accusations flying. I couldn't wait to login and hear about the shananagins that had happened.

Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit

Why do people get invested in the Kardashians? It's not because they are nice people. It is because of the drama. It might be fake. It might be real. But at least it's entertaining. Now I'm not into the Kardashians, I don't even know if they are still a thing. But drama from a group of people I share interests with? That's entertainment. I love how this 15 yo game means so much to people and I love how upset people get when things don't go their way. The little cliques. The backstabbing. The frontstabbing. The confrontations before the raid. Accusations flying. I couldn't wait to login and hear about the shananagins that had happened.

Must be a sad life you're living in. Imagine the only source of joy in your life is through some 15-year-old-mmo drama. Sure the people that take this game way too serious might be wrong on their own, but if those people are your main source of entertainment, thats sounds pathetic.

Originally Posted by luciano

You don't know how right you are.

I've played since BC (literally the day after the South Park episode first aired) and I was looking SOOO forward to Classic. It was the only content I didn't play in its natural state.

Made it to level 20. Couldn't find anyone to play with who wasn't an asshole. Couldn't find people to quest with. I didn't even find a guild. Finally gave up.

Like...all I wanted from the day they announced classic wow was to see the whole AQ gates event -- the buildup, the donations, all that. I was looking forward to farming and contributing. But it's just been an asshole parade where every float is a different streamer.

Such a shame. Could have been so much more fun.

I played since Vanilla (a bit before BGs became a thing) when I was but a wee young lad! Aaand yeah the community was better back then. I started Classic since day 1, already signed up to join a guild, raided 2 times a week until around BWL. Then I kinda took a long break and reflected on stuff. Just want to say that, even though I play as Retribution, I -do- actually enjoy the game itself more than retail (Better loot system, there's class identity and you -feel- you are your class.)

1: The community isn't that great. Yeah, unlike retail, it actually feels like there -is- one. That was the main reason I wanted to play it - but it's definitely not as great as people made it out to be and definitely NOT as welcome.

2: Befriending people. As I said, I played since day 1 and only took my first break some months into BWL. During all this time... I've never made a single friend. In vanilla I made quite a few, one of them being my longest friend I still talk to regulary. Here, nothing. I got on good terms with like three people but two already quit. And all my other friends on retail didn't want to play it but might at least give 'TBC Classic' a spin if it ever becomes a thing.

After reading about the whole situations of people making low level priests JUST to dispell characters because they get some weird enjoyment out of it - and how streamers can abuse GM powers and get them banned - and this whole report potential Scarab Lord thing... I don't want to play it. Even if I never wanted to be a Scarab Lord and never been effected by dispells, just knowing these things puts me off.

Originally Posted by Sensa1

I could care less about most of the things that people that take the game more seriously are pulling their hair out about.

"I could care less" means you care a great deal, just letting you know.

Originally Posted by Declaron

"I could care less" means you care a great deal, just letting you know.

Since you apparently get off on being pedantic, you should probably realize that it actually just means you could care less about something, not that you necessarily care about it a great deal.

Hope you feel stupid

Originally Posted by Domixux

Must be a sad life you're living in. Imagine the only source of joy in your life is through some 15-year-old-mmo drama. Sure the people that take this game way too serious might be wrong on their own, but if those people are your main source of entertainment, thats sounds pathetic.

Where did he say it's his only source of joy...? Assumptions much? Projecting much?

People like drama, anyone claiming not to is a bold-faced liar trying to ride a high horse. Even you are being dramatic here.

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Originally Posted by Declaron

"I could care less" means you care a great deal, just letting you know.

Yeaah, I'll never understand how people can use "I COULD care less" when "Couldn't" is the actual word signifying the point.

Originally Posted by Chonar

I am so glad I'm not sullying my 15-year old memories with this garbage.

I mean, I can't say I blame you... but uh...

Originally Posted by Athulua

this is a prime example of faction based RPG where you hate your own faction more than the one you were told to hate and fight.

nope, its just about troll players with probable a bad life who want to feel good in making other life miserable

i hope they will be ban severely

Originally Posted by Mendzia

You can get engaging experience on Retial - i agree.
Difference is - it is not mandatory to interact with anyone here.



As stated before - i regret playing on PvP server.
It was huge mistake but even tho i still love Classic mostly because i've got friends here and amazing guild.



Uhhh... youre talking now about Classic or Retail?
I've got great guild on Classic and 95% of the drama does not concern me.



We are not talking about TBC.



... and you can buy guns, drugs for money too...
Of course i meant only by ingame options.



Uhhh... Black Lotus?... Crusader recipe?... Golden Pearl?...
Try to upgrade these in raids.



And thats how it should work.
On retail you click LFG tool and boom you are doing dunegons skipping any player to player interaction.




I agree.
I avoid any toxic environment and i love my guild. :P



I've been watching his stream yesterday but probaly missed that part.
Can you link timestamp to that?



Anything? No, but he has proven many times that his informations are not just random thoughts and were sooner or later confirmed.

It’s no less mandatory on classic than it is in retail. Nice try though.

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Originally Posted by Kilik

If retail had same level of community engagement, there would be more visible toxicity too, lets not pretend its only problem in classic. The problem is far larger, in internet culture as a whole. People like to find ways to fuck others over, when they can hide behind anonymous online persona.

Did they say it was only classic? No. Did they even imply it was only classic? Also no.

You’re defending and practically endorsing their toxicity with the ever so shitty “well they did it too” excuse.

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Originally Posted by Mendzia

I is pretty sad that 10% of Classic population is very toxic and this is the face of community.
Personally i did not even make a step in Silithus (due irl stuff) this week but i regret playing on PvP server.
People doing these things just to have this slightly different colour mount blows my mind.

10%? Rofl.

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Originally Posted by Mendzia

Retail toxicity is low due:
- it is basically single player game with almost no player to player interactions
- you can turn off warmode so nobody will grief you (toxicity in Classic exist almost purely on PvP servers)
- there is no master looter so you will not get ninjaed
- no raid/group/server wide quests and bosses
- you can buy almost everything for gold
- there are no patterns and ingredients that are hard to get
- you can sign up for everything withot leaving main city

I am not saying it is better or worse.
It is just different.

1: false
2: false
3: true but wasn’t an actual issue in pug groups and on the very slim chance your guild did it, no one was forced to stay in that guild
4: immaterial
5: subjective opinion presented as fact
6: just like spamming chat to find groups

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Originally Posted by Clozer

Sorry, I'm no GM and can't look into their accounts to prove that to you.

They know that. That’s why they want to ignore the best proof you can legally provide.