The New Leveling Experience And Heirlooms in Shadowlands

Like a lot of people. I am disappointed with the new stuff they gave Heirlooms. Might as well just use the gear they give us while questing. I do wish they would give us some new looking gear for questing tbh. That gear the races show when you select a class.. Mmm spiffy. Can I has please? xD

Originally Posted by Vrinara

Like a lot of people. I am disappointed with the new stuff they gave Heirlooms. Might as well just use the gear they give us while questing. I do wish they would give us some new looking gear for questing tbh. That gear the races show when you select a class.. Mmm spiffy. Can I has please? xD

Well most of it is obtainable on higher level characters. And in Shadowlands you can mog it at level 10.

Originally Posted by Julian Rayne

Well most of it is obtainable on higher level characters. And in Shadowlands you can mog it at level 10.

True. Gotta run Legion stuff for some of them.

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

I'm fine with leveling when it's fun. WoW leveling isn't fun in the slightest. The quests are uninspired, boring grindfests. The change to heirlooms makes the hundreds of thousands of gold investments utterly worthless. First they nerfed the stats and now they replacing the experience buffs with absolute fucking trash.

I honestly feel at this point you just need to stop playing the game. You seem like an incredibly unhappy, rage filled child. Reading through pages of your tears, stamping your feet like a spoilt toddler, I had to comment just to tell you to get a fucking grip, christ.

People spent gold on these things? Did they not know they could upgrade these items from the DMF and other holiday
events? Like the only gold I spent was purchasing them originally, and ever since, I've used DMF to upgrade them.

If you actually spent gold on the upgrades, gotta say, you were doing it wrong.

Originally Posted by Hitei

Most players do not level alts in a continuous stream. They make the alt and then play it on rare occasion when they are bored of their max level characters or done for the day/week with stuff. As such, most characters already do take weeks/months to go from 1 to max.

maybe if you talk about classic.

not that i have data or any proof, but in my 15 years wow career in the last 5 years or so, i never met the type of player you mention. at the moment you can max out a char in 2-3 hours. who the heck parks them after lets say 30-60 min of playtime? and who the heck parks them, not just until tomorrow, but for another week or so ? and repeat this 3-4 times ???

i do not say you are wrong, but my and my friends and guildies experience is not whta you describe. i simply never saw that ppl.

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Originally Posted by ThatsOurEric

People spent gold on these things? Did they not know they could upgrade these items from the DMF and other holiday
events? Like the only gold I spent was purchasing them originally, and ever since, I've used DMF to upgrade them.

If you actually spent gold on the upgrades, gotta say, you were doing it wrong.

it depends. if you like DMF and wanna invest time, fine. others wanna invest no time (or dont like DMF and holiday stuff) and juts wanna play another class at max level.

so they invest money instead time. as so often in wow and in life. its always time investment vs money investment. not rocket science, not that complex concept....

Originally Posted by Niwes

so they invest money instead time. as so often in wow and in life. its always time investment vs money investment. not rocket science, not that complex concept....

Oh look, someone on a high horse.

Aside from holiday events, the DMF, or even better, the Timewalking dungeons, there were multiple avenues of
upgrading heirlooms without having to spend a single piece of gold. If you already had alts to begin with, then
before each expansion, you would have had multiple times to do them and easily farm enough badges to upgrade
at least one item. In at least a single expansion's lifetime, you can easily maximize an entire heirloom set, let
alone more sets for other classes.

So no, this isn't a time vs. money investment. This is a, "a fool and his money are soon parted", the example
being the posters demanding refunds. If gold was the ONLY method of upgrading? Yes, absolutely they'd be
justified in their outrage, and I would absolutely support the idea of some kind of reparations for the players
who spent all the gold on these items.

But that's not the case now is it. So no, they don't get their refund, and although I whole-heartedly agree that
the bonuses are absolutely fucking trash, I'm sorry, but you spent your gold poorly. This is a simple case of
spending gold poorly vs. smartly.

In your words, "not rocket science. Not that complex of a concept."

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

What disparity did it cause? People paid gold for more convenience. That's not disparity. It's more jealousy than anything.

And Blizzard has made claims about expansion features in the past that were complete lies. I'm more inclined to believe that they're lying about the leveling experience being faster because they know people are going to be pissed about heirlooms. they don't want people refunding Shadowlands. They lied about a lot of shit with WoD too and I can see them doing it again. They don't care about leveling speed right now because they'll have to level more in SL. And people coming back to the game will be at the new leveling progress with no heirlooms to help them anymore.

are you actually implying that not only are Blizzard lying about the levelling experience being quicker but also the thousands of testers who have levelled and detailed that it is most definitely faster by providing actual times it took them to level; are you saying that every single one of them are lying?

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

You obviously didn't spend gold to upgrade heirlooms. The fact that Blizzard isn't removing character boosts makes it seem much more likely that this decision has nothing to do with character advancement and everything to do with Blizzard wanting to push the cash shop. If it was about leveling, they'd remove the paid boost too.

If they wanted to push the cash shop they wouldn't have done the level squish and then make it so fast you could level from 1-50 in under 5 hours. When before it could take upto 100 hours.

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Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

Actually, no. With the nerf to stats in BfA and now the trash abilities on the armor, I WON'T be using them. which is why I want a refund.

Wow, imagine using something for years, then going to the store and demanding a refund. You'd be laughed out of the store. You had your use for fucking years. Refunds irl have a time limit, you are not entitled to your mopney back on something you used.

I swear, there is nothing people will not complain about. I've started automatically reading certain comments on MMOC in Taliesin's "shitshow obviously" voice.

Heirlooms were created to patch a problem that has now been permanently solved. Heirlooms will still be useful for leveling.

Originally Posted by Kallisto

If they wanted to push the cash shop they wouldn't have done the level squish and then make it so fast you could level from 1-50 in under 5 hours. When before it could take upto 100 hours.

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Wow, imagine using something for years, then going to the store and demanding a refund. You'd be laughed out of the store. You had your use for fucking years. Refunds irl have a time limit, you are not entitled to your mopney back on something you used.

I really don't see the leveling speed in the beta coming over to live AT ALL.

Also, nice strawman with your other point.

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Originally Posted by MrLachyG

are you actually implying that not only are Blizzard lying about the levelling experience being quicker but also the thousands of testers who have levelled and detailed that it is most definitely faster by providing actual times it took them to level; are you saying that every single one of them are lying?

Blizzard lies really frequently. And if you're taking the beta as what will absolutely be in the live game, you're incredibly naive.

Originally Posted by Bennett

> people bitching about refunds

You had your gold's worth already, jesus it wasn't even expensive to upgrade your looms. Get over it

depends when you upgraded them. now? they aren't that expensive but back when gold wasn't plentiful it sure was. all in all if you do the absolute bare minimum and buy heirlooms to cover every armor type, weapon type etc and buy upgrades in an intelligent manner (only buying weapon upgrades to level 100, neck upgrades to 110) then it costs just under 100k (approx)

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Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

I really don't see the leveling speed in the beta coming over to live AT ALL.

Also, nice strawman with your other point.

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Blizzard lies really frequently. And if you're taking the beta as what will absolutely be in the live game, you're incredibly naive.

oh take your conspiracy theories elsewhere troll. going off your attitude nothing shown in beta might make it to live, which is absolute rubbish. if stuff was going to be scrapped/change then it would've happened a long time ago

Originally Posted by MrLachyG

depends when you upgraded them. now? they aren't that expensive but back when gold wasn't plentiful it sure was. all in all if you do the absolute bare minimum and buy heirlooms to cover every armor type, weapon type etc and buy upgrades in an intelligent manner (only buying weapon upgrades to level 100, neck upgrades to 110) then it costs just under 100k (approx)

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oh take your conspiracy theories elsewhere troll. going off your attitude nothing shown in beta might make it to live, which is absolute rubbish. if stuff was going to be scrapped/change then it would've happened a long time ago

lmfao you have no leg to stand on so you call me a troll. Cute. You might be ok with Blizzard's shitty actions but as evidences by this thread, A LOT of people are pissed about the heirlooms change.

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

lmfao you have no leg to stand on so you call me a troll. Cute. You might be ok with Blizzard's shitty actions but as evidences by this thread, A LOT of people are pissed about the heirlooms change.

well yeah of course they are. when you change something people get pissed off; that's just how it is. however just now we weren't talking about heirlooms, we were talking about the levelling experience. which you, despite it being live on the beta and being very well received as a solid step forward in the levelling process, seem to magically think won't make it to the live version when Shadowlands hits. I presume you also think that Torghast won't be included in Shadowlands, that the level squish simply won't happen and that Soulbinds are just a made up thing. cause yeah, you seem to have this bizarre attitude that stuff that has been tested all throughout alpha and beta won't make it to the live game.

Originally Posted by MrLachyG

well yeah of course they are. when you change something people get pissed off; that's just how it is. however just now we weren't talking about heirlooms, we were talking about the levelling experience. which you, despite it being live on the beta and being very well received as a solid step forward in the levelling process, seem to magically think won't make it to the live version when Shadowlands hits. I presume you also think that Torghast won't be included in Shadowlands, that the level squish simply won't happen and that Soulbinds are just a made up thing. cause yeah, you seem to have this bizarre attitude that stuff that has been tested all throughout alpha and beta won't make it to the live game.

That's some really dumb logic you got there. And people are pissed because they've spent A LOT of gold upgrading heirlooms, myself included, only to make them utterly fucking worthless.

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

That's some really dumb logic you got there. And people are pissed because they've spent A LOT of gold upgrading heirlooms, myself included, only to make them utterly fucking worthless.

That’s not what we’re talking about

Originally Posted by TheRevenantHero

I really don't see the leveling speed in the beta coming over to live AT ALL.

Blizzard lies really frequently. And if you're taking the beta as what will absolutely be in the live game, you're incredibly naive.

This is. So gonna ask you again why you believe that stuff in the beta won’t make it to live (see above post for details)

Well I was excited about set bonuses on heirlooms until I saw what they were. Those bonuses are about as boring as it gets. I was hoping for something cool even if it didn't directly help with XP at all. What a let down. I was hoping for something more like this:

(2) Set: Gain an absord shield for 15% of your health, this regenerates instantly out of combat.
(3) Set: Increase movement speed of you and your party by 10% (does not stack)
(4) Set: While in a party, your attacks have a chance to increase the haste of your party by 20% for 12 seconds (does not stack, party cannot benefit more than once per minute)
(6) Set: Your attacks have a 5% chance to attack twice.

Originally Posted by LanToaster

To be Honest, you level from 1-50 in any single Expansion. I dont think it takes that long to cruise for example through BFA. So, with the Actual LevelUp Speed increase, I dont think it really affects PowerLeveler.

No, no, I know, I have been saying this to some people seeing leveling is going to be much faster anyway. In a way, we could say "yay blizzard" for making it faster instead of being negative on the heirloom bonuses seeing the leveling experience will be faster than with heirlooms now in BfA.

But in the context of bonuses from heirlooms alone, it might suck for that specific group of players don't get that much from it.

Originally Posted by Doffen

No, no, I know, I have been saying this to some people seeing leveling is going to be much faster anyway. In a way, we could say "yay blizzard" for making it faster instead of being negative on the heirloom bonuses seeing the leveling experience will be faster than with heirlooms now in BfA.

But in the context of bonuses from heirlooms alone, it might suck for that specific group of players don't get that much from it.

As I’ve previously stated though, they could just leave the bonus XP so it’s still faster than others (as the intended purpose), or they could make the bonuses better. I think most people are upset because these bonuses are actually terrible and don’t really benefit anyone.
At this point, people should just create every character they want on multiple servers and then log out with them just to have rested XP maxed out. If you level like some people, I’d almost say most, you create a new character and start leveling then, which makes rested XP worthless. Out of combat regen is almost nonexistent as well, this will only make running mob to mob easier for healers so they don’t have to try and heal anyone. Bonus XP after leveling is nice, but unless you ding early in a dungeon or you’re leveling by chain pulling mobs in the world, it’s almost useless. Imagine gaining a level after you turn in a quest just to spend 1/4-1/2 the time of the buff just picking up new quests and traveling to the next location.

I’m not so much upset about losing the XP % increase, although yes it does suck, but I’m more upset that the bonuses that replace it are garbage.

Originally Posted by ZazuuPriest

well these are supposed to be to level alts if you want to make a new character and main it right away thats on you. If you have such a problem with it then dont use them.

That's a pretty asinine reply. If your best counter argument is 'well don't use them' then you really don't have a spot in this conversation. My point is valid. People bought heirlooms for a specific reason. They spent hundreds of thousands of gold on full sets of each armor type plus weapons, neck and trinket. Aside from those last three, the rest was bought for the purpose of faster leveling and while they have indeed shortened leveling by a TON in Shadowlands the fact remains, they removed the primary reason people bought heirlooms and put in 'set bonuses' that don't equal the value of what was lost.

TLDR: The fact that they made leveling faster doesn't matter in this argument. The problem is we paid a lot of gold for a certain item and that item is no longer how it was when we spent the money and I don't think the replacement equals or surpasses what was lost - in its current form.